*Camp Mystic: Flooding In Texas Could Not Of Been Prevented*

Oh FFS now it's God's fault?

Hello, flood area well known for flash floods during heavy rains. All these camps along the river were asleep at the wheel. There was plenty of advance warning put out by the NWS but the camp leaders were not paying attention and got caught in a massive flash flood.

Stupidity is at fault, at the camp level, at some camps. Many camps who were paying attention did their duty and evacuated to high ground. Hundreds in each camp were saved and are safe and sound.
Yes. From what I've read, the Mystic camp staff received the flash flood warning. Why the camp was not evacuated remains a mystery other than the natural reluctance of adults to not awaken sleeping children when they had no way to really expect what was going to happen. It had not happened before but then the Guadalupe River had not risen more than 20 feet in less than an hour before.

And the warning almost certainly didn't anticipate the level of the water rise.

Previously, as has been the case when I've been in church camps or worked as a camp counselor, nearby streams do swell in heavy rains, arroyos fill up, but when the tents/cabins other accommodations have always remained on ground above the water and have not been threatened, it is easy to become complacent.

It often takes a terrible terrible tragedy like this--something that never happened before--to get protections and policies in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.

People die in terrible unexpected tragedies--wildfires, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, avalanches, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. all over the world every year, probably every day, that goes by.

Could this tragedy have been avoided? Absolutely with a good measure of caution and precaution. And I'm pretty sure that safeguards and policies will be put into place to ensure i never happens again.

Meanwhile, to blame God is just dumb.
 
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Without regard to God's wrath, people are just careless.
People forget. I live in Hurricane Alley, the SW Coast of Florida. I have personally gone through 5 MAJOR Hurricanes with no damage to my house. I'm far enough away from the Coast and have been lucky. Had a few houses just around the corner get hit by a Hurricane-Spawned Tornado. Knocked the crap out of them just last year. Watched a few go by me, too.

Humans are an indomitable group. We get the shit knocked out of us and a few Months/Years later, we devise a new plan and we're right back at it.

Except for dimocrap scum. They're useless pieces of shit.

The one bad thing about being civilized is the absence of 'Darwin'. We tend to protect all humans and forget that there is scum among us..... dimocrap scum.

In the Olde Days we had solutions for useless dimocrap scum. Can't do that these days.

darn
 
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can prevent stupidity!!!

Stop blaming Mother Nature.
Stop blaming Trump.
Blame the PARENTS who should have done their due diligence BEFORE taking their kids to any camp.
Blame the CAMP creators for NOT having emergency precautions set up and in place.

BLAME THE ADULTS!!! Not the kids, not the weather, not the politicians.
 
I get the allure of being alongside of the river. West of I35 those canyon wall can get steep, and this isn't the first time Mystic has been under water.
Activity areas along the water are fine, sleeping quarters should be on high ground. It only makes sense. Jerkoffs can blame the governor, government agencies, G*d, whoever, the blame rests on who located the cabins there. Same with the RV parks.
 
Hurricanes, earthquakes and other natural disasters are unpredictable and only folks with low IQs find them political.
 
Yes. From what I've read, the Mystic camp staff received the flash flood warning. Why the camp was not evacuated remains a mystery other than the natural reluctance of adults to not awaken sleeping children when they had no way to really expect what was going to happen. It had not happened before but then the Guadalupe River had not risen more than 20 feet in less than an hour before.

It often takes a terrible terrible tragedy like this--something that never happened before--to get protections and policies in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.

People die in terrible unexpected tragedies--wildfires, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, avalanches, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. all over the world every year, probably every day, that goes by.

Could this tragedy have been avoided? Absolutely with a good measure of caution and precaution. And I'm pretty sure that safeguards and policies will be put into place to ensure i never happens again.

Meanwhile, to blame God is just dumb.
Sorry bout that,

1. G-D did that, but Im not blaming him, I agree with him, its JUST.
2. We before this were sending our girls to Camp Mystic, or in other words, Camp Hell, every summer, G-D just got tired of of seeing our collective sin, and sent the water to wash it out.
3. I get that, you dont like it, sure dont like it, but do learn from it.
4. Change the f***ing name for G-D's sake!!!!!!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
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Sorry bout that,

1. G-D did that, but Im not blaming him, I agree with him, its JUST.
2. We before this were sending our girls to Camp Mystic, or in other words, Camp Hell, every summer, G-D just got tired of of seeing our collective sin, and sent the water to wash it out.
3. I get that, you dont like it, sure dont like it, but do learn from it.
4. Change to fing name for G-D's sake!!!!!!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
I do not believe that God created a storm and flash flood to punish anybody. If He wanted to do that, he would have just zapped them with lightning.

Sinners or not, those in the path of a flash flood are at very high risk of drowning if they don't remove themselves from that area.

Sinners or not, those on high ground won't be harmed by the flood.
 
Texas has been underwater twice at different times. The Guadalupe Mountain range is really a coral reef left from the past covering. Should we think it won't ever happen again.
 
Yes. From what I've read, the Mystic camp staff received the flash flood warning. Why the camp was not evacuated remains a mystery other than the natural reluctance of adults to not awaken sleeping children when they had no way to really expect what was going to happen. It had not happened before but then the Guadalupe River had not risen more than 20 feet in less than an hour before.

It often takes a terrible terrible tragedy like this--something that never happened before--to get protections and policies in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.

People die in terrible unexpected tragedies--wildfires, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, avalanches, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. all over the world every year, probably every day, that goes by.

Could this tragedy have been avoided? Absolutely with a good measure of caution and precaution. And I'm pretty sure that safeguards and policies will be put into place to ensure i never happens again.

Meanwhile, to blame God is just dumb.
As a resident of 50 years of a Major, MAJOR Hurricane pathway, I can't tell you the number of times I've heard, ''EVACUATE NOW!!! YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE IF YOU DON'T EVACUATE NOW!!!"

The last one that went roaring through here (Ian) killed hundreds of people. My Kid was driving the Beach and he personally saw bodies floating up in the surf to the beach, He works for a big Construction Supply House.

They told me, "Evacuate or DIE!" I stayed. Nothing. They've told me to evacuate many times. Predicted Hell On Earth, Biblical Flooding, etc, etc.

And most of the time, they're just dead wrong.

Know whay? Because they Over-Warn people.

I remember one time, years ago, The Kid, at the urging of his fretful Wife, loaded up his car with him, his Wife, his son, their 90lb dog and her Mother and Father. In a 5 passenger vehicle. 4 Adults, 1 teenage boy and a 90lb Lab.

Hauled ass to the Panhandle where a relative lives. Stuck on I-75 traffic for 15 hours, bumper to bumper, gas stations closed or overwhelmed or both, nowhere to stop and rest, no motels, Rest Areas crowded, Street Urchins from town prowling all over.

Then there was the 12 hour ride back. Because -- Traffic. Stop and Go on I-75 the whole way. Both ways

And while he was gone, the power went out and his refrigerator/freezer leaked water and food all over the floor and did several thousand dollars worth of damage. No to mention the wonderful smell it left.

They Over-Warn, and people have gotten into the habit of ignoring them.

You gotta know where you live and what's going on. You live in Hill Country and the rain is multiplied geometrically. Five inches of rain for us is an afternoon shower. In Hill Country, it can kill you.

Five inches of rain here and it just kinda lays there and takes two or three days to drain. Five inches of rain in Hill Country and every place with a higher elevation is draining a buttload of rain water down to the lower elevations and especially into Creeks and rivers.

The old-timers that ran the place should have known better. A lot of them died, too. A lot. Really a lot.

But only scum of the Earth dimocrap FILTH would try to score political points on the bodies of dead children.

dimocrap scum have done it before, MANY times, and I promise -- They'll do it again.

Because they're scum. That's what scum does
 
As a resident of 50 years of a Major, MAJOR Hurrican pathway, I can't tell you the number of times I've heard, ''EVACUATE NOW!!! YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE IF YOU DON'T EVACUATE NOW!!!"

The last one that went roaring through here (Irma?) killed hundreds of people. My Kid was driving the Beach and he personally saw bodies floating up in the surf to the beach, He works for a big Construction Supply House.

They told me, "Evacuate or DIE!" I stayed. Nothing. They've told me to evacuate many times. Predicted Hell On Earth, Biblical Flooding, etc, etc.

And most of the time, they're just dead wrong.

Know whay? Because they Over-Warn people.

I remember one time, years ago, The Kid, at the urging of his fretful Wife, loaded up his car with him, his Wife, his son, their 90lb dog and her Mother and Father. In a 5 passenger vehicle. 4 Adults, 1 teenage boy and a 90lb Lab.

Hauled ass to the Panhandle where a relative lives. Stuck on I-75 traffic for 15 hours, bumper to bumper, gas stations closed or overwhelmed or both, nowhere to stop and rest, no motels, Rest Areas crowded, Street Urchins from town prowling all over.

Then there was the 12 hour ride back. Because -- Traffic. Stop and Go on I-75 the whole way. Noth ways

And while he was gone, the power went out and his refrigerator/freezer leaked water and food all over the floor and did several thousand dollars worth of damage. No to mention the wonderful smell it left.

They Over-Warn and people have gotten into the habit of ignoring them.

You gotta know where you live and what's going on. You live in Hill Country and the rain is multiplied geometrically. Five inches of rain for us is an afternoon shower. In Hill Country, it' can kill you.

Five inches of rain here and it just kinda lays there and takes two or three days to drain. Five inches of rain in Hill Country and every place with a higher elevation is draning a buttload of rain water down to the lower elevations and especially into Creek and rivers.

The old-timers that ran the place should have known better. A lot of them died, too. A lot. Really a lot.

But only scum of the Earth dimocrap FILTH would try to score political points on the bodies of dead children.

dimocrap scum have done it before, MANY times, and I promise -- They'll do it again.

Because they're scum. That's what scum does
They over-warn — until the one that hits you.
 
Being a weather company owner and broadcaster, I won’t camp nor stay near rivers. I’ve seen too many normally 15 feet wide one foot deep turn into raging torrents 150 feet wide and over 10 feet deep. Tidal flooding I worry about almost not at all as it usually takes several days to occur, these things happen in 60 minutes. Read about the Rapid City killer in the 70’s, just incredible like this one
 
As a resident of 50 years of a Major, MAJOR Hurricane pathway, I can't tell you the number of times I've heard, ''EVACUATE NOW!!! YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE IF YOU DON'T EVACUATE NOW!!!"

The last one that went roaring through here (Ian) killed hundreds of people. My Kid was driving the Beach and he personally saw bodies floating up in the surf to the beach, He works for a big Construction Supply House.

They told me, "Evacuate or DIE!" I stayed. Nothing. They've told me to evacuate many times. Predicted Hell On Earth, Biblical Flooding, etc, etc.

And most of the time, they're just dead wrong.

Know whay? Because they Over-Warn people.

I remember one time, years ago, The Kid, at the urging of his fretful Wife, loaded up his car with him, his Wife, his son, their 90lb dog and her Mother and Father. In a 5 passenger vehicle. 4 Adults, 1 teenage boy and a 90lb Lab.

Hauled ass to the Panhandle where a relative lives. Stuck on I-75 traffic for 15 hours, bumper to bumper, gas stations closed or overwhelmed or both, nowhere to stop and rest, no motels, Rest Areas crowded, Street Urchins from town prowling all over.

Then there was the 12 hour ride back. Because -- Traffic. Stop and Go on I-75 the whole way. Both ways

And while he was gone, the power went out and his refrigerator/freezer leaked water and food all over the floor and did several thousand dollars worth of damage. No to mention the wonderful smell it left.

They Over-Warn, and people have gotten into the habit of ignoring them.

You gotta know where you live and what's going on. You live in Hill Country and the rain is multiplied geometrically. Five inches of rain for us is an afternoon shower. In Hill Country, it can kill you.

Five inches of rain here and it just kinda lays there and takes two or three days to drain. Five inches of rain in Hill Country and every place with a higher elevation is draining a buttload of rain water down to the lower elevations and especially into Creeks and rivers.

The old-timers that ran the place should have known better. A lot of them died, too. A lot. Really a lot.

But only scum of the Earth dimocrap FILTH would try to score political points on the bodies of dead children.

dimocrap scum have done it before, MANY times, and I promise -- They'll do it again.

Because they're scum. That's what scum does
I would hate to have the responsibility of when to issue a warning and when not to though. If you ignored one of those warnings and you and or loved ones did die as a result. . . .

But I agree, after so many warnings when nothing happened, it does encourage people to ignore the warnings.

Should the authorities have told the Mystic camp staff to evacuate the camp immediately? I don't know. Those in cabins on higher ground in the camp were just fine. Those at slightly lower elevation had not been threatened by flash flood before. So complacency might be at least a little bit forgiven?

I can imagine the many staffers who died in that flash flood were trying to save the children who were caught in it.

It was a terrible terrible tragedy.

New Mexico gets most of it's rain during the summer monsoon that generally runs through late June to early September. If we went to higher ground every time a flash flood warning was issued, we'd spend all those months on higher ground. But every now and then, a real gully washer does create flooding situations in places that normally do not expect them.
 
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I was counseling one summer at a Christian camp near Happy Texas, just south of Amarillo. It was on the banks of Happy Draw, a small springfed stream so shallow that vehicles drove through the water on the only road into the camp.

Lots of big west Texas thunder boomers that week and one night we had a real frog strangler of thunder, lightning, hail, torrential rain, the works. The stream swelled out of its banks fairly quickly but didn't get close to any of the cabins. (The next morning the staff told us to all stay in the cabins until they could locate and kill the dozens of rattlers that had washed into the camp. They fried and served the snakes to us for dinner that night.)

I don't know why the worst Texas rains usually happen at night but they so often do.

Had another gully washer the night before we were to leave. We had to wait several hours for the swollen stream to subside sufficiently to drive through it to go home.

It never occurred to us that we needed to evacuate the camp because the creek rose rapidly during heavy rain. But the day might come when that once a century storm hits and the water does rise as high as the cabins. And then the staff will no doubt rethink whether a policy about evacuation is warranted.
 
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Sorry bout that,

1. Camp Mystic, was wiped out, there is fault in thier name, Camp Mystic, might as well been, * Camp Evil Intent *, it harmed these children, if brought the wrath of G-D to them, which they didnt see that coming, just girls romping around.
2. Its easy to sit there and claim it was not G-D.
3. This was a huge amout of rain, in a short period of time, creating a 26' wall of water rushing down the river, gobbling up anything at its shores at 4 am.
4. Its time to look at our mistakes, Camp Mystic was wiped out and they should never come back.
5. Choose the names of our place of leisure better, lets stop making G-D mad, he will put a stop to it.
6. We need to stop putting our children in dangerous places, stop sending our children to Camp Evil.
7. Call it, G-D's Grace Place.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
At least ten dead in Travis and Williamson County. Jonestown got wrecked.
 
Sorry bout that,

1. This amount of water can only be attributed as, An Act Of G-D.
2. The amount of destruction was hideous, we must learn to identify that, it was like a hurricane hitting, over two hundred miles from the coast.
3. Total analyzation.
4. Nothing could survive that.
5. Live stock, wildlife, birds in trees.

Regards,
SirJameofTexas
so you believe in god,,
 

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