Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues

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The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com

'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia. This self-described "notorious Amazon feminist" isn't telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can't Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that's just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation....

But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality."

The results, she says, can be seen in everything from the dysfunction in Washington (where politicians "lack practical skills of analysis and construction") to what women wear. "So many women don't realize how vulnerable they are by what they're doing on the street," she says, referring to women who wear sexy clothes.

When she has made this point in the past, Ms. Paglia—who dresses in androgynous jackets and slacks—has been told that she believes "women are at fault for their own victimization." Nonsense, she says. "I believe that every person, male and female, needs to be in a protective mode at all times of alertness to potential danger. The world is full of potential attacks, potential disasters." She calls it "street-smart feminism."...

Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. "Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. "They're making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters."

She is not the first to make this argument, as Ms. Paglia readily notes. Fellow feminist Christina Hoff Sommers has written about the "war against boys" for more than a decade. The notion was once met with derision, but now data back it up: Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

Ms. Paglia observes this phenomenon up close with her 11-year-old son, Lucien, whom she is raising with her ex-partner, Alison Maddex, an artist and public-school teacher who lives 2 miles away. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" about sex, and by keeping "raunchy" thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.

Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America's brawny industrial base, leaves many men with "no models of manhood," she says. "Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There's nothing left. There's no room for anything manly right now." The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm "inspires me as a writer," she says, adding: "If we had to go to war," the callers "are the men that would save the nation."
Paglia rejects the neoMarxist Gender War Feminism that the Identity Political Establishment pushes on American women today and that makes her not only a fresh breath of air, and a delightful thorn in the side of most libtards, but she has a rare and valid perspective that needs to be heard more. That it is rarely heard due to being betwixt the current dichotomy of leftwing fascism and neocon fascism is not her fault but all our loss.
 
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neoMarxist Gender War Feminism

No such thing.

However there is a neo-social conservative gender war masculinism of the far right
 

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I read this piece a couple of days ago. I <3 Paglia. She is a true intellectual..and wiling to say it like it is.
 

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Damn, look at the neo-social con trash I am putting in the dumpster. :lol:
 
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I read this piece a couple of days ago. I <3 Paglia. She is a true intellectual..and wiling to say it like it is.
Paglia is that rarity of rarities; an honest liberal feminist.

I find her insights deeply rewarding, even if I disagree with most of them, lol, they still provoke thought which the left disdains these days, an example of which precedes your posts.
 

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I will not put up with your nonsense, JimCrowieChauvenist.

Period.
 

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Damn, look at the neo-social con trash I am putting in the dumpster. :lol:
look at the lefty liberal liar crawling out of the dumpster. You are not putting anyone any where fakey.:cool:
 

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NLT, I am not putting up with your shadow of reality neo-social con silliness, either.

Neo-Marxist? Gender War? You folks have no idea of what you are discussing.

And silly wusses like Steve McGarrett are no more impressive than you or JimCrowie.
 
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Damn, look at the neo-social con trash I am putting in the dumpster. :lol:
look at the lefty liberal liar crawling out of the dumpster. You are not putting anyone any where fakey.:cool:
The dude is a time sink, and I think that is his goal. If he can get us to waste time on his nonsense then he keeps constructive thought from being put up that would otherwise and it is the rational constructive discussion and dialogue that he most fears.

So I am just going to ignore the little troll from here on out.

But Paglia is a gem and very much worth discussing.
 

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The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com

'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia. This self-described "notorious Amazon feminist" isn't telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can't Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that's just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation....

But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality."

The results, she says, can be seen in everything from the dysfunction in Washington (where politicians "lack practical skills of analysis and construction") to what women wear. "So many women don't realize how vulnerable they are by what they're doing on the street," she says, referring to women who wear sexy clothes.

When she has made this point in the past, Ms. Paglia—who dresses in androgynous jackets and slacks—has been told that she believes "women are at fault for their own victimization." Nonsense, she says. "I believe that every person, male and female, needs to be in a protective mode at all times of alertness to potential danger. The world is full of potential attacks, potential disasters." She calls it "street-smart feminism."...

Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. "Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. "They're making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters."

She is not the first to make this argument, as Ms. Paglia readily notes. Fellow feminist Christina Hoff Sommers has written about the "war against boys" for more than a decade. The notion was once met with derision, but now data back it up: Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

Ms. Paglia observes this phenomenon up close with her 11-year-old son, Lucien, whom she is raising with her ex-partner, Alison Maddex, an artist and public-school teacher who lives 2 miles away. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" about sex, and by keeping "raunchy" thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.

Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America's brawny industrial base, leaves many men with "no models of manhood," she says. "Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There's nothing left. There's no room for anything manly right now." The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm "inspires me as a writer," she says, adding: "If we had to go to war," the callers "are the men that would save the nation."
Paglia rejects the neoMarxist Gender War Feminism that the Identity Political Establishment pushes on American women today and that makes her not only a fresh breath of air, and a delightful thorn in the side of most libtards, but she has a rare and valid perspective that needs to be heard more. That it is rarely heard due to being betwixt the current dichotomy of leftwing fascism and neocon fascism is not her fault but all our loss.
Most all liberals love Paglia. The progressives, not so.


go figure
 

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The issue, NLT and Steve and Jim, is that you guys are offering nothing constructive and that will be pointed out.
 

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I read this piece a couple of days ago. I <3 Paglia. She is a true intellectual..and wiling to say it like it is.
Paglia is that rarity of rarities; an honest liberal feminist.

I find her insights deeply rewarding, even if I disagree with most of them, lol, they still provoke thought which the left disdains these days, an example of which precedes your posts.
I agree. I read her book Sexual Personae about 15-20 years ago. She continues to fascinate.

Have you read "Iron John" by Robert Bly?
 
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The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com

'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia. This self-described "notorious Amazon feminist" isn't telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can't Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that's just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation....

But no subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society's attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality."

The results, she says, can be seen in everything from the dysfunction in Washington (where politicians "lack practical skills of analysis and construction") to what women wear. "So many women don't realize how vulnerable they are by what they're doing on the street," she says, referring to women who wear sexy clothes.

When she has made this point in the past, Ms. Paglia—who dresses in androgynous jackets and slacks—has been told that she believes "women are at fault for their own victimization." Nonsense, she says. "I believe that every person, male and female, needs to be in a protective mode at all times of alertness to potential danger. The world is full of potential attacks, potential disasters." She calls it "street-smart feminism."...

Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. "Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It's oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys," she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. "They're making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters."

She is not the first to make this argument, as Ms. Paglia readily notes. Fellow feminist Christina Hoff Sommers has written about the "war against boys" for more than a decade. The notion was once met with derision, but now data back it up: Almost one in five high-school-age boys has been diagnosed with ADHD, boys get worse grades than girls and are less likely to go to college.

Ms. Paglia observes this phenomenon up close with her 11-year-old son, Lucien, whom she is raising with her ex-partner, Alison Maddex, an artist and public-school teacher who lives 2 miles away. She sees the tacit elevation of "female values"—such as sensitivity, socialization and cooperation—as the main aim of teachers, rather than fostering creative energy and teaching hard geographical and historical facts.

By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. "This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it's all about neutralization of maleness." The result: Upper-middle-class men who are "intimidated" and "can't say anything. . . . They understand the agenda." In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by "never telling the truth to women" about sex, and by keeping "raunchy" thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.

Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America's brawny industrial base, leaves many men with "no models of manhood," she says. "Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There's nothing left. There's no room for anything manly right now." The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm "inspires me as a writer," she says, adding: "If we had to go to war," the callers "are the men that would save the nation."
Paglia rejects the neoMarxist Gender War Feminism that the Identity Political Establishment pushes on American women today and that makes her not only a fresh breath of air, and a delightful thorn in the side of most libtards, but she has a rare and valid perspective that needs to be heard more. That it is rarely heard due to being betwixt the current dichotomy of leftwing fascism and neocon fascism is not her fault but all our loss.
Most all liberals love Paglia. The progressives, not so.


go figure
You draw a distinction between liberals and progressives; do you mind explaining? I agree there is a difference and still further difference between those two groups and the neoMarxists.

I cant respond till later tonight though as I have posted enough to develop wife agro and so I must log off soon.

But I will get back, promise.
 
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I read this piece a couple of days ago. I <3 Paglia. She is a true intellectual..and wiling to say it like it is.
Paglia is that rarity of rarities; an honest liberal feminist.

I find her insights deeply rewarding, even if I disagree with most of them, lol, they still provoke thought which the left disdains these days, an example of which precedes your posts.
I agree. I read her book Sexual Personae about 15-20 years ago. She continues to fascinate.

Have you read "Iron John" by Robert Bly?
No, unfortunately I have become addicted to internet immediate gratification.
 

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