Bye, bye Pence!

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump broke the Left conservatism

Fixed

Riiight. Which explains why the dems unleashed a bioweapon so they could cheat in the tens of millions column

You're serious?

Completely

Totally

Fauxi needs to tell us who else he was in on it

 

[Mac1958]

Trump broke the Left conservatism

Fixed

Riiight. Which explains why the dems unleashed a bioweapon so they could cheat in the tens of millions column

You're serious?

Completely

Totally

Fauxi needs to tell us who else he was in on it

Would you say my characterization of this is correct in this thread?

How the Democrats rigged the 2020 election

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy. Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Hellokitty]

You don't know that anymore than anybody else unless you have a crystal ball. You're simply conveying your own bias.

I can go by historical odds. Presidents usually get re-elected. Since 1900, 15 incumbent presidents have been re-elected - McKinley, T. Roosevelt*, Wilson, Coolidge*, FD Roosevelt (3 times), Truman*, Eisenhower, LBJ*, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush-43, Obama
(*- I am counting guys who took the job because the main guy died in office).

The only time they don't is if
1) They really, really fucked it up. (Hoover, Trump, Ford)
2) They angered a part of their coalition who defected to a third party (Bush-41, Carter, Taft)

Even not particularly good/popular presidents get re-elected, such as Bush-43, or Nixon, or Harry Truman. Heck, even Jerry Ford came damned close to a second term, despite pardoning Nixon, losing Vietnam and wrecking the economy, and he never got elected on a national ticket to start with. That's how much you get from incumbency.

It all depends on who the Republicans run against him. A lot of people are going to be reluctant to reelect an 82 year old man to the presidency knowing the more than fair odds he won't live to finish the term.

A president hasn't died in office from natural causes in 76 years. People know that these guys get the best medical care in the world. And frankly, I'd like to be as vigorous as Biden is at 79.

As long as the Republican candidate isn't Trump Part II they will have that advantage right out of the gate.

Will they? The Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 1988 except for one time, and they had to scare the hell out of us to do it.

The problem with the GOP is that they have to pander to a base that is basically nuts. They can't walk that back after the election. And frankly, what incentive do they have to not be Trump II, Electric Bugaloo? Trump excites the base. Even if Trump doesn't run, they'll have to outcrazy each other to get the same result.

I doubt very much Biden runs again anyway, so the point is likely moot.

Well, you guys can hope. Biden or not, Republicans still have the same problem. It's become a white identity party in a country that is increasingly anti-racist.

Can't really go by these markers anymore. TRUMP won 18 out of 19 bellwether counties along with winning Florida and Ohio by a lot.

 

[Mac-7]

Another poster wanted to murder our elected officials and you liked it.

I dont recall

But if so then shame on me.

Maybe the Devil made me do it because I would never like that idea otherwise

 

[Mac-7]

So you wanted him to LIE?

It was not a lie

 

[Mac-7]

So why did trump tell all of his rube followers that Pence could overturn the election??

As one of trump’s so-called “rube” followers I never expected that to happen

Do your info is wrong

 

[Mac-7]

that would be lying.

Wrong

The democrats were cheating up to their eyeballs

 

[JoeB131]

Can't really go by these markers anymore. TRUMP won 18 out of 19 bellwether counties along with winning Florida and Ohio by a lot.

Guy, you can't go by that. Most of those 'red' counties have very few people in them.

Here's the Bush map.

Trump lost by 8 million votes. Americans just didn't want the fucker in there.

 

[JoeB131]

Would you say my characterization of this is correct in this thread?

I would say it's your usual trolling bullshit, Vichy Mac, hiding in the CDZ so no one mocks you.

 

[schmidlap]

Pence spent 4 years sucking up to the biggest con man the world has ever seen. He heaped lavish praise and served as an echo chamber for the former, twice impeached president. No lap dog anywhere could have done it better.

But, with the game on the line, Pence showed his true colors and weak spine. He failed the biggest test of his career, to stand up for Trump and protect him from the evil Democrats by swinging the 2020 election Trump's way. And for that, Pence is forever in the Trump Cult doghouse.

Bye, bye the love and admiration of the Cult. Bye, bye any hopes for a future elected office. And, all because Pence failed to recognize that law is whatever Trump says it is. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and state laws do not count. Trump's word is the only thing that counts. Bigly!!!

What a difference a day makes!

On Jan. 6, rioters who had breached the Capitol were hunting for the vice president that day in hopes of stopping him from his role overseeing Congress's certification of Biden’s victory. Dozens chanted “Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!” and some had erected a gallows outside the Capitol.​

Pence's brother says Pelosi wanted to bail after Jan. 6 attack​

​

Having someone's goons shrieking that they want to hang you should be wonderfully conducive to clarity of mind, but Throttlebottom drafted for far too long on Cry Baby Loser's breaking wind, and he has inherited his whirlwind.

If the primary requisite for attaining the Republican presidential nomination for 2024 is enthusiastically buying into all of the lies of the twice-impeached failed casino operator and faded reality-tv performer who lost the Party the House, Senate, and Executive in a single term is unswerving, groveling obeisance, Pence's discharging his pro-forma Constitutional responsibilities was a one-way, first-class ticket to political Palookaville, flushing four years of spineless docility down the crapper.

As a practical matter, Pence's being mired in the grievance and resentment of Trumpery is antithetical to his becoming part of that ever-expanding paranoia on January 6.

 

[the other mike]

Analysis: Did Mike Pence just doom his 2024 chances?

At a stop in New Hampshire on Thursday night, former Vice President Mike Pence defended his actions on January 6 and, in the process, may well have doomed (or at the very least hamstrung) his chances of emerging as the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Pence spent 4 years sucking up to the biggest con man the world has ever seen. He heaped lavish praise and served as an echo chamber for the former, twice impeached president. No lap dog anywhere could have done it better.

But, with the game on the line, Pence showed his true colors and weak spine. He failed the biggest test of his career, to stand up for Trump and protect him from the evil Democrats by swinging the 2020 election Trump's way. And for that, Pence is forever in the Trump Cult doghouse.

Bye, bye the love and admiration of the Cult. Bye, bye any hopes for a future elected office. And, all because Pence failed to recognize that law is whatever Trump says it is. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and state laws do not count. Trump's word is the only thing that counts. Bigly!!!

Two attempted impeachments.

 

[22lcidw]

Yeah, most of the Republican Party has gone batshit insane, ensconced in the bizarre alternative reality of an insane lying grifting demagogue.

If Orange Jesus said the world was flat and the moon was made of green cheese, 70% of Republicans would believe him, and defend to their death that this is true.

Because cult.

The problem is, this didn't start with Trump. It started when you dickheads in the Investor class decided the best way to get dumb white working class idiots to vote for your economic interests and against their own was to play on their racial, religious and sexual fears. You can draw a straight line from Nixon's Southern Strategy, Reagan's Welfare Queens, Bush's Willie Horton Ads, Bush Jr.'s opposition to gay marriage, straight through to Trump.

It got a lot worse when Obama got elected and the GOP base lost it's mind, first electing the Teabaggers, then nominating the Mormon Cult Leader, and finally, just going with Trump, because he was saying the crazy shit louder than anyone else.

I remember when you got fully behind Romney in 2012, and don't you dare point out he belongs to an insane cult.

Of course, the guy who engaged in a Toad elevating moment with Trump was Romney. Romney was so scared Trump might run against him as a third party candidate that he kissed his ring and said nothing as Trump continued to spread his hate. That's why I have to just laugh when Romney is being "principled" against Trump now. It's like Dr. Frankenstein leading the mob to find the monster he created.

The ironic thing is, I understand how Trump got the support he got. I see it in my own family. It's not just the "deplorables", it working class whites who have watched their standard of living decline year after year. Trump gives them convenient scapegoats- Illegal, Chinese, whatever.

So I don't take it terribly seriously when investor-class mopes like you and Mac1958 bemoan Trump. Because you created the atmosphere where he thrived.

Romney is smarter then Obama. He has RINOtosis.

 

[SavannahMann]

It is called dignity. Respect for the process and the nation.

Biden and the democrat cheaters did not respect the process

Yeah. And there will be proof of that any day now. Just wait. Am I right?

 

[NightFox]

Analysis: Did Mike Pence just doom his 2024 chances?

At a stop in New Hampshire on Thursday night, former Vice President Mike Pence defended his actions on January 6 and, in the process, may well have doomed (or at the very least hamstrung) his chances of emerging as the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Pence spent 4 years sucking up to the biggest con man the world has ever seen. He heaped lavish praise and served as an echo chamber for the former, twice impeached president. No lap dog anywhere could have done it better.

But, with the game on the line, Pence showed his true colors and weak spine. He failed the biggest test of his career, to stand up for Trump and protect him from the evil Democrats by swinging the 2020 election Trump's way. And for that, Pence is forever in the Trump Cult doghouse.

Bye, bye the love and admiration of the Cult. Bye, bye any hopes for a future elected office. And, all because Pence failed to recognize that law is whatever Trump says it is. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and state laws do not count. Trump's word is the only thing that counts. Bigly!!!

Two attempted impeachments.

The two impeachment’s were successful, the two attempts at CONVICTION were not.

Impeachment is essentially an indictment or formal accusation, given that both impeachments were partisan, one suspects history won’t lend a lot of credence to them, similar to the case with Andrew Johnson’s impeachment.

 

[the other mike]

Analysis: Did Mike Pence just doom his 2024 chances?

At a stop in New Hampshire on Thursday night, former Vice President Mike Pence defended his actions on January 6 and, in the process, may well have doomed (or at the very least hamstrung) his chances of emerging as the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Pence spent 4 years sucking up to the biggest con man the world has ever seen. He heaped lavish praise and served as an echo chamber for the former, twice impeached president. No lap dog anywhere could have done it better.

But, with the game on the line, Pence showed his true colors and weak spine. He failed the biggest test of his career, to stand up for Trump and protect him from the evil Democrats by swinging the 2020 election Trump's way. And for that, Pence is forever in the Trump Cult doghouse.

Bye, bye the love and admiration of the Cult. Bye, bye any hopes for a future elected office. And, all because Pence failed to recognize that law is whatever Trump says it is. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and state laws do not count. Trump's word is the only thing that counts. Bigly!!!

Two attempted impeachments.

The two impeachment’s were successful, the two attempts at CONVICTION were not.

Impeachment is essentially an indictment or formal accusation, given that both impeachments were partisan, one suspects history won’t lend a lot of credence to them, similar to the case with Andrew Johnson’s impeachment.

Success comes from winning, not from deep state hit jobs.

 

[NightFox]

Analysis: Did Mike Pence just doom his 2024 chances?

At a stop in New Hampshire on Thursday night, former Vice President Mike Pence defended his actions on January 6 and, in the process, may well have doomed (or at the very least hamstrung) his chances of emerging as the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Pence spent 4 years sucking up to the biggest con man the world has ever seen. He heaped lavish praise and served as an echo chamber for the former, twice impeached president. No lap dog anywhere could have done it better.

But, with the game on the line, Pence showed his true colors and weak spine. He failed the biggest test of his career, to stand up for Trump and protect him from the evil Democrats by swinging the 2020 election Trump's way. And for that, Pence is forever in the Trump Cult doghouse.

Bye, bye the love and admiration of the Cult. Bye, bye any hopes for a future elected office. And, all because Pence failed to recognize that law is whatever Trump says it is. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and state laws do not count. Trump's word is the only thing that counts. Bigly!!!

Two attempted impeachments.

The two impeachment’s were successful, the two attempts at CONVICTION were not.

Impeachment is essentially an indictment or formal accusation, given that both impeachments were partisan, one suspects history won’t lend a lot of credence to them, similar to the case with Andrew Johnson’s impeachment.

Success comes from winning, not from deep state criminal activities.

I’m unclear as to what that has to do with the fact that both impeachments were successful and thus not “attempted”, but sure, I’ll not dispute your assertion.

 

[DrLove]

One only uses a Q-Tip once. Been fun Mike, See ya!

 

[DrLove]

You've got Ron DeSantis waiting in the wings. Even liberals down here like DeSantis. If he runs, Florida comes off the table as a battleground state...

Liberals in Texas like Geo. W. Bush- Until he ran for president.
Conservatives liked Bill Clinton - until he ran for president.

If Biden runs again in 2024, he'll win a second term. Absent a major catastrophe or a third party candidate splitting the base, Americans usually re-elect incumbents.

Pretty sure Biden will be handed the 25th long before that.

Biden has done absolutely nothing impressive thus far. He puts a lid on his days by mid-afternoon, at the latest. He still stammers and gaffes when giving speeches. He doesn't hold press conferences. With only occasional appearances, he stays out completely of the reach of the public eye.

I have $25,000 that says Biden doesn't win re-election in 2024. I've offered that bet to several libs, and not a single one will touch it. They know better...

You don’t have $25,000

 

[schmidlap]

Two attempted impeachments.

Two successful attempts.

Donald J. Trump became the only U.S. president to be impeached twice
[trump impeached twice only president - Bing]​

 

[DrLove]

Analysis: Did Mike Pence just doom his 2024 chances?

At a stop in New Hampshire on Thursday night, former Vice President Mike Pence defended his actions on January 6 and, in the process, may well have doomed (or at the very least hamstrung) his chances of emerging as the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Pence spent 4 years sucking up to the biggest con man the world has ever seen. He heaped lavish praise and served as an echo chamber for the former, twice impeached president. No lap dog anywhere could have done it better.

But, with the game on the line, Pence showed his true colors and weak spine. He failed the biggest test of his career, to stand up for Trump and protect him from the evil Democrats by swinging the 2020 election Trump's way. And for that, Pence is forever in the Trump Cult doghouse.

Bye, bye the love and admiration of the Cult. Bye, bye any hopes for a future elected office. And, all because Pence failed to recognize that law is whatever Trump says it is. The Constitution, Bill of Rights and state laws do not count. Trump's word is the only thing that counts. Bigly!!!

Two attempted impeachments.

Lol - This ^ again