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[Crick]

Actually you haven't. You can't explain the mechanics. Because none exist. There are no known mechanics.

But there are for AMOC switch off.

I gave you five links explaining how Milankovitch alters the climate. You claimed they did not. That was a lie.

 

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I gave you five links explaining how Milankovitch alters the climate. You claimed they did not. That was a lie.

None of them actually explain HOW it does. Can you explain it to me?

 

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I gave you five links explaining how Milankovitch alters the climate. You claimed they did not. That was a lie.

Do you remember saying this?

Of course the Milankovitch cycles are only coincidental, right? We don't KNOW that orbital variations would cause warming or cooling. Particularly as SLOWLY as they change things. They've just been plotted at convenient scales to make it LOOK as if they're related.

and this?

But there are strong indications that the current situation in the Atlantic is unstable and that it could be stopped altogether by a large input of fresh water, from melting ice in the Arctic and Greenland. Since this flow is responsible for the moderate temperature in Europe, the result would be catastrophic cooling there.

Would this catastrophic cooling be limited to Europe? Or would it affect NA, Asia and Canada too. Or do I need to just copy the quote from YOUR link?

 

[Crick]

Do you remember saying this?

Do you remember your junior high school English class on sarcasm?

Actually, I don't, but then, I posted that TEN years ago. It was a piece of sarcasm directed at poster IanC. Here is the full quote.

Then I assume you reject any relationship between CO2 and temperature.​

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Of course, that would be ignoring the points that CO2 absorbs IR and that increasing temperatures decrease carbonate solubility. And that would assume that you have some OTHER cause for the increasing temperatures of the last 150 years and for the rise in CO2 levels coincident with Milankovitch warming. Of course the Milankovitch cycles are only coincidental, right? We don't KNOW that orbital variations would cause warming or cooling. Particularly as SLOWLY as they change things. They've just been plotted at convenient scales to make it LOOK as if they're related.​

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Right?​

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Disappointing, Ian.​

and this?

Would this catastrophic cooling be limited to Europe? Or would it affect NA, Asia and Canada too. Or do I need to just copy the quote from YOUR link?

I don't see your point here Ding. Despite the clear sarcasm in that ten year old post, I have never suggested that a collapse of the AMOC would not result in cooling of Europe. And, of course, this fails to support your contention that changes in ocean circulation are driving all of this. All of these sources say circulation is being affected by added meltwater produced by increased temperatures due to anthropogenic global warming.

 

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Do you remember your junior high school English class on sarcasm?

Actually, I don't, but then, I posted that TEN years ago. It was a piece of sarcasm directed at poster IanC. Here is the full quote.

Then I assume you reject any relationship between CO2 and temperature.​

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Of course, that would be ignoring the points that CO2 absorbs IR and that increasing temperatures decrease carbonate solubility. And that would assume that you have some OTHER cause for the increasing temperatures of the last 150 years and for the rise in CO2 levels coincident with Milankovitch warming. Of course the Milankovitch cycles are only coincidental, right? We don't KNOW that orbital variations would cause warming or cooling. Particularly as SLOWLY as they change things. They've just been plotted at convenient scales to make it LOOK as if they're related.​

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Right?​

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Disappointing, Ian.​

I don't see your point here Ding. Despite the clear sarcasm in that ten year old post, I have never suggested that a collapse of the AMOC would not result in cooling of Europe. And, of course, this fails to support your contention that changes in ocean circulation are driving all of this. All of these sources say circulation is being affected by added meltwater produced by increased temperatures due to anthropogenic global warming.

Your sarcasm was unintentionally correct as you still can't show how orbital cycles are responsible for cooling and warming. The sun is incredibly constant.

And you did say that the collapse of the AMOC would lead to catastrophic cooling in Europe.

 

[Crick]

Your sarcasm was unintentionally correct as you still can't show how orbital cycles are responsible for cooling and warming. The sun is incredibly constant.

And you did say that the collapse of the AMOC would lead to catastrophic cooling in Europe.

As I have said all along. You keep trying to criticize me for things I have never said. What's the point? A diversion from the lack of any evidence supporting your contentions?

 

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As I have said all along. You keep trying to criticize me for things I have never said. What's the point? A diversion from the lack of any evidence supporting your contentions?

How do orbital cycles cause glacial periods? How do orbital cycles cause interglacial periods? Do ocean currents determine climates around the globe? If those currents change will climate change around the world? If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were to stop would the Arctic get colder? How much colder would the Arctic have to get to trigger extensive continental glaciation. If extensive continental glaciation occurred in the NH would it have a world wide impact on the planet's climate?

 

[Crick]

How do orbital cycles cause glacial periods?

Asked and answered, repeatedly.

Another Ding mistake

How do orbital cycles cause interglacial periods?

Asked and answered, repeatedly.

Another Ding mistake

Do ocean currents determine climates around the globe?

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

If those currents change will climate change around the world?

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were to stop would the Arctic get colder?

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

How much colder would the Arctic have to get to trigger extensive continental glaciation.

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

If extensive continental glaciation occurred in the NH would it have a world wide impact on the planet's climate?

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

 

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Asked and answered, repeatedly.

Another Ding mistake

Asked and answered, repeatedly.

Another Ding mistake

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

I don't care. They don't cause the planet as a whole to warm or cool.

Another Ding mistake.

But you didn't answer it because you can't answer it. No one has because no one can because orbital cycles don't affect temperature enough. But disruption of heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic can.

1. How do orbital cycles cause glacial periods? They don't because they can't.
2. How do orbital cycles cause interglacial periods? They don't because they can't.
3. Do ocean currents determine climates around the globe? Yes
4. If those currents change will climate change around the world? Yes
5. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were to stop would the Arctic get colder? Yes
6. How much colder would the Arctic have to get to trigger extensive continental glaciation. 2C
7. If extensive continental glaciation occurred in the NH would it have a world wide impact on the planet's climate? Yes

 

[Crick]

But you didn't answer it because you can't answer it. No one has because no one can because orbital cycles don't affect temperature enough. But disruption of heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic can.

1. How do orbital cycles cause glacial periods? They don't because they can't.
2. How do orbital cycles cause interglacial periods? They don't because they can't.
3. Do ocean currents determine climates around the globe? Yes
4. If those currents change will climate change around the world? Yes
5. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were to stop would the Arctic get colder? Yes
6. How much colder would the Arctic have to get to trigger extensive continental glaciation. 2C
7. If extensive continental glaciation occurred in the NH would it have a world wide impact on the planet's climate? Yes

As was shown in Shakun et al 2012, the world starts getting warmer from increased insolation due to Milankovitch orbital forcing. That warming causes the release of CO2 from solution in the world's oceans and greenhouse warming acting on that CO2 then takes over the warming process. You've heard this before.

Another Ding mistake

 

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As was shown in Shakun et al 2012, the world starts getting warmer from increased insolation due to Milankovitch orbital forcing. That warming causes the release of CO2 from solution in the world's oceans and greenhouse warming acting on that CO2 then takes over the warming process. You've heard this before.

Another Ding mistake

How much warmer?

 

[Crick]

How much warmer?

I provided you the link. Look it up.

 

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I provided you the link. Look it up.

 

[Crick]

Are you suggesting that I have NOT provided you the link?

 

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Are you suggesting that I have NOT provided you the link?

I'm laughing because you don't know the answer.

 

[Crick]

I'm laughing because you don't know the answer.

I know where I can find it. Do you?

 

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I know where I can find it. Do you?

But you don't know what it is and we both know it because it's not discussed in any of anyone's papers. It's amazing how little scrutiny you are anyone else has given the red herring of orbital forcing and atmosphere controlling the climate of the planet when common sense and all the data shows it's landmass distribution and ocean currents which do.

 

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Crick I haven't made any errors. You're a political propagandist who doesn't care two shits about science. You just want to squelch all debate because that's what politicians do.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I've lost count how many times this prediction has been made only for nothing to happen.

Then you definitely have lost count of how many times they were either spot on, or the season was even more active than predicted.

Sincere that's a much larger number.

A sampling:

 

[Crick]

Then you definitely have lost count of how many times they were either spot on, or the season was even more active than predicted.

Sincere that's a much larger number.

A sampling:

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NAMED STORMS | HURRICANES | MAJOR HURRICANES
Actual NOAA CSU | Actual NOAA CSU | Actual NOAA CSU
SUMS: 185 152 142 | 86 78 66 | 37 33.5 30

Those of you that have been accusing NOAA and CSU of overstated forecasts and unjustified alarmism as if it simply couldn't be denied should hang your ******* heads in shame.