British healthcare....only a socialist could think it works....

[Theowl32]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Yeah....he just paid his entire life at confiscatory tax rates and then...how old was he? We'll see how he likes their healthcare as time goes on and it falls apart....

It all comes down to ....pay me now or pay me later

Our system pounds the shit out of you if you have a major health problem. Constantly negotiating between doctors and health insurance companies to try to figure out what you actually owe. A major part of a doctors overhead is staff involved in billing and negotiating with insurance companies

You don't have that with universal healthcare

You also don't have quality healthcare in universal healthcare or advanced procedures........and if you are too old...you are screwed.....

We need more competition in healthcare, not less. Competition makes things better....just look at any other product that faces competition and you have a better product...healthcare is no different.

Competition? Liberals hate that entire concept. They want a system where everyone is the same.

Hence the reason you see these "participation trophies " and ribbons given out. In fact there are some cities where a score is not allowed. No winners, no losers, no competition.

Liberals are fucking deranged losers who hate the free market. The free market by its nature is about competition.

The assholes that we communicate with are too stupid to understand they are pawns for those elitist socialists.

I know I have said this a bunch of times. I repeat myself a lot I know. Socialism is just another cute little word for the old FEUDAL SYSTEM. At least a version of it. Rich class and poor class. That is it.

Look at how socialism is destroying the middle class. Look at how all of these government agencies make it nearly impossible for small businesses to thrive. Road block after road block. All for the sake of the "environment " or some other feel good word that captures idealistic minds.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Lord Carter of Coles

I think a quick look at Lord Carters interests will show how unbiased his report was.

Category 1: Directorships
Director, Primary Group Ltd (insurance), and also of the following subsidiary companies: Rural & Commercial Holdings Ltd; Qmetric Group Ltd; QMetric Group Holdings Ltd; UK General Insurance Group Ltd

Director, JKHC Ltd (business services)

Director, Health Services Laboratories LLP

Director, Glenholme Healthcare Group Ltd

Director, The Freehold Corporation Ltd (property; real estate)

Director, The Freehold Acquisition Corporation Ltd (property; real estate)

Director, Cafao Ltd (Member's own company which takes care of his family office matters)

Category 2: Remunerated employment, office, profession etc.
Adviser, Warburg Pincus International Ltd (interest ceased 20 May 2015)

Chair, NHS Procurement & Efficiency Board

Non-executive Director, NHS Improvement (Monitor)

Category 4: Shareholdings (a)
JKHC Ltd (business services)

The Glenholme Healthcare Group Ltd (care and rehabilitation centres)

Cafao Ltd (see category 1)

Category 4: Shareholdings (b)
Diageo plc (drinks)

Imperial Tobacco Group plc (tobacco)

IMI plc (engineering solutions)

Compass Group plc (catering)

HSBC Holdings plc (banking/financial)

Pearson plc (education)

Prudential plc (insurance)

Lloyds Banking Group plc (financial)

BG Group plc (gas)

GlaxoSmithKline plc (pharmaceuticals)

Weir Group plc (engineering solutions)

Verizon Communications Inc (telecommunications)

JP Morgan Chase & Co (financial)

Home Depot Inc (retail)

Johnson & Johnson (retail)

CVS Caremark Corporation (pharmaceuticals)

United Technologies Corp (technology)

Deutsche Post AG-REG (logistics)

BASF SE (chemicals)

Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argenta Euro.49 (corporate bond)

Nestle SA (food/retail)

ING Groep (insurance)

Google Inc-CL A (technology)

Royal Dutch Shell (oil and gas)

Inmarsat plc (satellite communications)

Unilever plc (retail)

Vodafone Group plc (telecommunications)

Whitbread plc (retail)

Visa Inc (financial)

United Utilities Group plc (utilities)

EOG Resources Inc (aerospace/defence)

WPP plc (advertising)

United Rentals Inc (rental company)

Caledonia Investments plc (investments)

GW Pharmaceuticals plc

McKesson Corp (IT HR and payroll)

GlobalAccess Global High Yield Bond Fund M Distribution GBP

Jupiter Strategic Bond Fund

FRN Barclays Bank plc 05-perp pref shsl (corporate bond)

2% Canadian Government Bond Snr 01 Dec 14 (government bond)

Polar Capital Global Technology Inst GBP Inst (fund)

Henderson European Special Situations GBP Inc Inst (fund)

GlobalAccess US Small & Mid Cap Equity Fund (M Distribution USD)

Findlay Park American Smaller Cos USD (fund)

Schroder UK Opportunities Z Acc GBP (fund)

Brown Advisory FDS American Dollar CLS B USD (fund)

Mondelez International Inc-A (fund)

Newton Global Higher Income W Inc GBP (fund)

Martin Currie UT China B ACC Nav (fund)

Newton Asian Income Institutional W GBP Inc (fund)

iShares FTSE EPRA/NAREIT Asia Property Yield Fund

First State Asia Pacific Leaders B GBP Acc (fund)

GlobalAccess Global High Yield Bond Fund M Accumulation GBP

Safran SA (aerospace/defence)

Google Inc-CL C (technology)

The Freehold Corporation Ltd (property; real estate)

The Freehold Acquisition Corporation Ltd (property; real estate)

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Liberals are fucking deranged losers who hate the free market. The free market by its nature is about competition.

Public health is not a cell phone, a product. it's also not supposed to be "for profit". Plenty of things are, and the "free market" works but that isn't supposed to be one of them.

 

[Old Rocks]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Yeah....he just paid his entire life at confiscatory tax rates and then...how old was he? We'll see how he likes their healthcare as time goes on and it falls apart....

It all comes down to ....pay me now or pay me later

Our system pounds the shit out of you if you have a major health problem. Constantly negotiating between doctors and health insurance companies to try to figure out what you actually owe. A major part of a doctors overhead is staff involved in billing and negotiating with insurance companies

You don't have that with universal healthcare

You also don't have quality healthcare in universal healthcare or advanced procedures........and if you are too old...you are screwed.....

We need more competition in healthcare, not less. Competition makes things better....just look at any other product that faces competition and you have a better product...healthcare is no different.

Dumb fuck, if the longevity is better and the infant mortality is less, how the hell can there be less quality? All you dumb fucks really need to read how the CIA Worldbook rates the US on health care. Down around 50th, far lower than does the UN.

We pay far more for much less.

 

[2aguy]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Yeah....he just paid his entire life at confiscatory tax rates and then...how old was he? We'll see how he likes their healthcare as time goes on and it falls apart....

It all comes down to ....pay me now or pay me later

Our system pounds the shit out of you if you have a major health problem. Constantly negotiating between doctors and health insurance companies to try to figure out what you actually owe. A major part of a doctors overhead is staff involved in billing and negotiating with insurance companies

You don't have that with universal healthcare

You also don't have quality healthcare in universal healthcare or advanced procedures........and if you are too old...you are screwed.....

We need more competition in healthcare, not less. Competition makes things better....just look at any other product that faces competition and you have a better product...healthcare is no different.

Dumb fuck, if the longevity is better and the infant mortality is less, how the hell can there be less quality? All you dumb fucks really need to read how the CIA Worldbook rates the US on health care. Down around 50th, far lower than does the UN.

We pay far more for much less.

Please see Donttazmebros post...he explains that you are wrong on your stats......

 

[Old Rocks]

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World

The U.S. ranks worst among 11 wealthy nations in terms of “efficiency, equity and outcomes" despite having the world's most expensive health care system

A striking take-home from the report was a need for equity throughout the nation. “Disparities in access to services signal the need to expand insurance to cover the uninsured and to ensure that all Americans have an accessible medical home,” it said. A lack of universal health care was noted as the key difference between the U.S. and the other industrial nations.

Hmmmm.............

 

[Old Rocks]

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

My, my, rather embarrassing.

 

[2aguy]

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World

The U.S. ranks worst among 11 wealthy nations in terms of “efficiency, equity and outcomes" despite having the world's most expensive health care system

A striking take-home from the report was a need for equity throughout the nation. “Disparities in access to services signal the need to expand insurance to cover the uninsured and to ensure that all Americans have an accessible medical home,” it said. A lack of universal health care was noted as the key difference between the U.S. and the other industrial nations.

Hmmmm.............

Yeah....ask Donttazmebro...he explained this quite well.............

 

[2aguy]

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

My, my, rather embarrassing.

Here is Donttazmebro....

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Really? Yet their longevity and infant mortality is better than ours. In fact, they rank better in overall health care that we do.

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It's really funny that after 16 years you nutters still refer to that 37th in the world nonsense from the 2000 WHO report which has been debunked 15,000 times since.

Oh, and by the way, our infant mortality rate and longevity has pretty much nothing to do with our health care system. As a matter of fact, your odds of surviving a major illness are higher here than in Britain and that same WHO report ranked the U.S. as number 1 in the world when it comes to quality of health care.

Carry on..

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh my, we rank # 44 here;

Most Efficient Health Care 2014: Countries - Bloomberg Best (and Worst)

 

[2aguy]

Oh my, we rank # 44 here;

Most Efficient Health Care 2014: Countries - Bloomberg Best (and Worst)

Bloomberg....the democrat totalitarian......

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

My, my, rather embarrassing.

That really points up how the NHS has been squeezed for cash over the last few years.

 

[HenryBHough]

My relatives in England, who I see often, consider their healthcare system acceptable for routine things but are frequently frustrated by months-long waiting lists to even be seen for things that would be sufficiently severe in The U.S. to be treated immediately. One with a condition threatening blindness in both eyes was put on a 6-month waiting lit for surgery on one eye - deemed sufficient to live a normal life - with no hope of surgery on the other. In effect, told to choose which eye he wanted saved - if either could be salvaged after six months of neglect of the condition.

Fortunately he had the money to "go private".

Many do not.

British doctors, meanwhile, seem as addicted to going out on strike as are French garbage collectors.

 

[Harry Dresden]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Yeah....he just paid his entire life at confiscatory tax rates and then...how old was he? We'll see how he likes their healthcare as time goes on and it falls apart....

It all comes down to ....pay me now or pay me later

Our system pounds the shit out of you if you have a major health problem. Constantly negotiating between doctors and health insurance companies to try to figure out what you actually owe. A major part of a doctors overhead is staff involved in billing and negotiating with insurance companies

You don't have that with universal healthcare

You also don't have quality healthcare in universal healthcare or advanced procedures........and if you are too old...you are screwed.....

We need more competition in healthcare, not less. Competition makes things better....just look at any other product that faces competition and you have a better product...healthcare is no different.

Dumb fuck, if the longevity is better and the infant mortality is less, how the hell can there be less quality? All you dumb fucks really need to read how the CIA Worldbook rates the US on health care. Down around 50th, far lower than does the UN.

We pay far more for much less.

if the longevity is better
for about the 19th time rocks longevity has more to do with lifestyle than your healthcare......

 

[Political Junky]

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World

The U.S. ranks worst among 11 wealthy nations in terms of “efficiency, equity and outcomes" despite having the world's most expensive health care system

A striking take-home from the report was a need for equity throughout the nation. “Disparities in access to services signal the need to expand insurance to cover the uninsured and to ensure that all Americans have an accessible medical home,” it said. A lack of universal health care was noted as the key difference between the U.S. and the other industrial nations.

Hmmmm.............

Any rational person would be embarrassed by this information. Apparently the Right isn't.

 

[bripat9643]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Of course, you can't talk to the guy who was put on a waiting list and died before he could get his operation. He didn't have any bills either, other than the funeral bills, that is.

 

[bripat9643]

Here we have the latest report on how badly the British health service sucks at taking care of people...

Gov Report: NHS Running on Soviet Style Model; Patients Expected to Put Up and Shut Up

In the case of the worst examples, some 69 per cent of available space has been turned over to “non-clinical” purposes; some of which has simply been left empty, others given over to administration purposes. That meant that wards, operating theatres, clinics and waiting rooms were having to be squeezed in to the remaining 31 percent.

Really? Yet their longevity and infant mortality is better than ours. In fact, they rank better in overall health care that we do.

They don't have hoards of teenage illegal aliens dropping babies before they're old enough to graduate from high school. They also don't have the fattest people in the world, as we do. It has little to do with the quality of their healthcare.

 

[Political Junky]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Of course, you can't talk to the guy who was put on a waiting list and died before he could get his operation. He didn't have any bills either, other than the funeral bills, that is.

You think that doesn't happen here?

 

[bripat9643]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Of course, you can't talk to the guy who was put on a waiting list and died before he could get his operation. He didn't have any bills either, other than the funeral bills, that is.

You think that doesn't happen here?

Yeah, it happens at the VA.

 

[Political Junky]

A few years back I was walking the Gettysburgh Battlefield. I met a guy from England who was touring America. We got around to talking healthcare and I told him how my wife had recently had heart surgery and I was dealing with three quarters of an inch of hospital bills that I had to resolve
He told me that he had heart surgery the year before and never even got a bill

Boy, did I ever envy British healthcare

Of course, you can't talk to the guy who was put on a waiting list and died before he could get his operation. He didn't have any bills either, other than the funeral bills, that is.

You think that doesn't happen here?

Yeah, it happens at the VA.

And all those who can't afford care .. let 'em die, right?