British healthcare.....more trouble....not enough doctors...too many patients...

[2aguy]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

 

[OldLady]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

We aren't British. Why are you so worried about British healthcare? At least its "free." My supervisor is now going to have to pay $879 per month to cover just herself. I've never even spent that much for monthly RENT.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

We aren't British. Why are you so worried about British healthcare? At least its "free." My supervisor is now going to have to pay $879 per month to cover just herself. I've never even spent that much for monthly RENT.

It's not free......and it sucks...and our government run healthcare will be worse....we are streamlining their mistakes and putting the destruction of our system on the fast track....

 

[OldLady]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

We aren't British. Why are you so worried about British healthcare? At least its "free." My supervisor is now going to have to pay $879 per month to cover just herself. I've never even spent that much for monthly RENT.

It's not free......and it sucks...and our government run healthcare will be worse....we are streamlining their mistakes and putting the destruction of our system on the fast track....

Bulloney. Like you, I worry that our government can't administer its way out of a paper sack, but if you know any older folks, the Medicare system runs fairly well and that is what Sander's model would expand. Would be better than what we've got right now.
The problems with British and Canadian healthcare systems are primarily that doctors don't get rich enough, so not as many want to go into medicine. Not enough docs, not enough services. Sad but true commentary on human nature. Now if Sanders had his way and at least part of the 11 years of doctor training was PAID for, more people might consider the investment sensible.

 

[Old Rocks]

Why yes, the other industrial nations health care systems suck so bad that they all have longer average lifespans and lower infant mortality rates than we do. You 'Conservatives' are constantly harping on the shortcomings of their systems, but ignore the failures in ours. We pay twice as much and get far inferior results.

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective

A very comprehensive study of the various health care systems.

 

[westwall]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

Not enough nurses either. They are already over 5,000 short NHS wide and are looking to bring more foreigners in to work as the locals won't work for the crap wages they are forced to take. It takes a while to beat the altruism out of a person, but the NHS is doing it in record time.

 

[Old Rocks]

KEY FINDINGS
The United States is the highest spender on health care. [Exhibits 1, 2]
Data from the OECD show that the U.S. spent 17.1 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care in 2013. This was almost 50 percent more than the next-highest spender (France, 11.6% of GDP) and almost double what was spent in the U.K. (8.8%). U.S. spending per person was equivalent to $9,086 (not adjusted for inflation).

Since 2009, health care spending growth has slowed in the U.S. and most other countries. The real growth rate per capita in the U.S. declined from 2.47 percent between 2003 and 2009 to 1.50 percent between 2009 and 2013. In Denmark and the United Kingdom, the growth rate actually became negative. The timing and cross-national nature of the slowdown suggest a connection to the 2007–2009 global financial crisis and its aftereffects, though additional factors also may be at play.5

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective

We spend over $9000 per capita, Canada spends $4600 per capita, with superior results.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

Not enough nurses either. They are already over 5,000 short NHS wide and are looking to bring more foreigners in to work as the locals won't work for the crap wages they are forced to take. It takes a while to beat the altruism out of a person, but the NHS is doing it in record time.

And they only spend about $3400 per capita for their healthcare, yet their average life span is 81.1 years as opposed to 78.8 for the US. Their infant mortality rate is 3.8 as opposed to 6.1 for the US. So, were they to double what they spend, they would still be well below us in costs, and have even better numbers. And get the professionals they need. In the meantime, we still are paying far more and getting far poorer results.

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective

 

[Old Rocks]

DISCUSSION
Health care spending in the U.S. far exceeds that in other countries, despite a global slowdown in spending growth in recent years. At 17.1 percent of GDP, the U.S. devotes at least 50 percent more of its economy to health care than do other countries. Even public spending on health care, on a per capita basis, is higher in the U.S. than in most other countries with universal public coverage.

How can we explain the higher U.S. spending? In line with previous studies,19 the results of this analysis suggest that the excess is likely driven by greater utilization of medical technology and higher prices, rather than use of routine services, such as more frequent visits to physicians and hospitals.

High health care spending has far-reaching consequences in the U.S. economy, contributing to wage stagnation, personal bankruptcy, and budget deficits, and creating a competitive disadvantage relative to other nations.20 One potential consequence of high health spending is that it may crowd out other forms of social spending that support health. In the U.S., health care spending substantially outweighs spending on social services. This imbalance may contribute to the country’s poor health outcomes. A growing body of evidence suggests that social services play an important role in shaping health trajectories and mitigating health disparities.21,22 Additional cross-national research is needed to better understand the relationship between social services and health, as well as other health determinants like lifestyle and environment.

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective

Only idiot 'Conservatives' fail to see how poorly our system compares to the other industrial nations.

 

[2aguy]

KEY FINDINGS
The United States is the highest spender on health care. [Exhibits 1, 2]
Data from the OECD show that the U.S. spent 17.1 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care in 2013. This was almost 50 percent more than the next-highest spender (France, 11.6% of GDP) and almost double what was spent in the U.K. (8.8%). U.S. spending per person was equivalent to $9,086 (not adjusted for inflation).

Since 2009, health care spending growth has slowed in the U.S. and most other countries. The real growth rate per capita in the U.S. declined from 2.47 percent between 2003 and 2009 to 1.50 percent between 2009 and 2013. In Denmark and the United Kingdom, the growth rate actually became negative. The timing and cross-national nature of the slowdown suggest a connection to the 2007–2009 global financial crisis and its aftereffects, though additional factors also may be at play.5

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective

We spend over $9000 per capita, Canada spends $4600 per capita, with superior results.

yes...because all of the medical innovation comes from the United States.....that is why they come here for advanced procedures......

 

[2aguy]

Yes....the future of American medicine can be observed in the British healthcare system.....

You can't book appointments in advance, GPs warn patients

We aren't British. Why are you so worried about British healthcare? At least its "free." My supervisor is now going to have to pay $879 per month to cover just herself. I've never even spent that much for monthly RENT.

It's not free......and it sucks...and our government run healthcare will be worse....we are streamlining their mistakes and putting the destruction of our system on the fast track....

Bulloney. Like you, I worry that our government can't administer its way out of a paper sack, but if you know any older folks, the Medicare system runs fairly well and that is what Sander's model would expand. Would be better than what we've got right now.
The problems with British and Canadian healthcare systems are primarily that doctors don't get rich enough, so not as many want to go into medicine. Not enough docs, not enough services. Sad but true commentary on human nature. Now if Sanders had his way and at least part of the 11 years of doctor training was PAID for, more people might consider the investment sensible.

What do you mean a sad commentary...you want people to spend their early lives into their mid 20s studying 24/7, in the most difficult subjects there are, missing out on all the fun normal people do during this time because they are studying and learning medicine....and then...when they have given up their early lives to this endeavor...you want to pay them minimum wage......

Yeah.....no wonder more people don't want to go into medicine now.....

 

[2aguy]

You lefties are all the same.........take and take and when someone is able to do miracles and save lives...you want it on the cheap....

 

[Manonthestreet]

Think you are beginning to see that here. I have a Dr I have been going too for yrs. 20 minute drive. His clinic was purchased by one of the larger conglomerates, Fairview. Daughters go to a newer Fairview clinic closer to home, found out recently they only have 2 DR's on staff and what the daughters have been seeing are PA's..

 

[Old Rocks]

You lefties are all the same.........take and take and when someone is able to do miracles and save lives...you want it on the cheap....

What the hell are you talking about, you silly ass? Note that I stated that the UK could double it's per capita spending, and still only pay only 3/4 the cost of the US per capital cost. That would take care of the professional's salaries. And then their system would exceed us by far.

 

[2aguy]

You lefties are all the same.........take and take and when someone is able to do miracles and save lives...you want it on the cheap....

What the hell are you talking about, you silly ass? Note that I stated that the UK could double it's per capita spending, and still only pay only 3/4 the cost of the US per capital cost. That would take care of the professional's salaries. And then their system would exceed us by far.

The British system is failing.....it is going to collapse....keep pretending it isn't.......the truth will come out....

And once Britain and the other welfare states in Europe have to start spending more money on police and the military....it will happen even faster...they have been living their welfare state existence on the back of the U.S. military who has allowed them to use their money on government goodies instead of providing for their defense.....that will be changing....

 

[westwall]

KEY FINDINGS
The United States is the highest spender on health care. [Exhibits 1, 2]
Data from the OECD show that the U.S. spent 17.1 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care in 2013. This was almost 50 percent more than the next-highest spender (France, 11.6% of GDP) and almost double what was spent in the U.K. (8.8%). U.S. spending per person was equivalent to $9,086 (not adjusted for inflation).

Since 2009, health care spending growth has slowed in the U.S. and most other countries. The real growth rate per capita in the U.S. declined from 2.47 percent between 2003 and 2009 to 1.50 percent between 2009 and 2013. In Denmark and the United Kingdom, the growth rate actually became negative. The timing and cross-national nature of the slowdown suggest a connection to the 2007–2009 global financial crisis and its aftereffects, though additional factors also may be at play.5

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective

We spend over $9000 per capita, Canada spends $4600 per capita, with superior results.

If Canada is so superior why do their politicians, and those with money, constantly come down here to the evil old USA for their surgery's?

 

[westwall]

You lefties are all the same.........take and take and when someone is able to do miracles and save lives...you want it on the cheap....

What the hell are you talking about, you silly ass? Note that I stated that the UK could double it's per capita spending, and still only pay only 3/4 the cost of the US per capital cost. That would take care of the professional's salaries. And then their system would exceed us by far.

Here, you go....rationalize away... Below are just a few, a very few, of the actual real failings of the NHS that you blissfully ignore with your constant parade of propaganda you push. The only "silly ass" is you. And you had better hope to hell that you don't get to experience the wonders of the NHS here in the USA. Because if you do, you will lose.


NHS is 'failing all patients', according to damning report
PATIENTS of all age groups are suffering because of “devastating and shocking” NHS blunders, a damning report has revealed.

The Parliamentary and Health Services Ombudsman dossier found a woman in her 80s had died after she was left on a hospital floor for six hours while glaring errors left a one-day-old baby with permanent brain damage.

The ombudsman looked into 126 cases between April and June of this year, including a man who died after being sent home with internal bleeding and a pensioner suffering from gangrene who was refused admission by a hospital.

NHS is 'failing all patients', according to damning report


Care Quality Commission: Three in four NHS hospitals are failing, says watchdog
Senior doctors say the failings exposed by the Care Quality Commission report are 'severe and alarming'

Care Quality Commission: Three in four NHS hospitals are failing, says watchdog


NHS fails 'thousands' cancer patients

NHS fails 'thousands' cancer patients - BBC News



The cancer patients being failed by the NHS: Number waiting for life-saving treatment is highest since records began

• Charities say people are dying as they face delays for surgery and drugs
• Nearly 5,700 waited more than 62 days for treatment in the last 3 months
• This figure is the highest in 6 years since 2009 when records began
• Delays to treatment can be life-threatening as tumours can quickly spread

Read more: Record number of cancer patients waiting for treatment on NHS
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The NHS is failing people with mental health and substance use problems

The NHS is failing people with mental health and substance use problems