Britain's Green Energy Fails!!!!

[Blues Man]

Are you truly that stupid? Yes, of course you are. You see, when you drive up the Columbia Gorge on a windy day, when the spring runoff is in full swing, you will see many wind turbines not turning. You match electrical production with demand. So when there is no storage, you only produce what is needed. And when a lot more is needed, you use peaker plants that charge 10 to 100 times as much per MW.hr. So, when you have low demand, you use those turbines that would normally be idled to pump the water uphill. And when you have high demand, you use that water to meet the demand at far less cost than peaker plants. So you get much quicker payback on the wind turbines.

And it's a NET LOSS of power generation.

Not to mention the removal of those millions of gallons of water from the already taxed fresh water supply system in this country.

Pumped hydro wastes power, is bad for the environment and takes water away from people who could actually use it in drought stricken areas.

 

[Blues Man]

Not only are wind and solar cheaper than fossil fuels and nuclear,

Your own link shows they aren't.

add in grid scale storage and they are cheaper yet,

How much grid storage do we need to supply Chicago for a cloudy, snowy week in January?

The $2.5 trillion reason we can’t rely on batteries to clean up the grid

Fluctuating solar and wind power require lots of energy storage, and lithium-ion batteries seem like the obvious choice—but they are far too expensive to play a major role.

www.technologyreview.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So when there is no storage, you only produce what is needed. And when a lot more is needed, you use peaker plants that charge 10 to 100 times as much per MW.hr.

Where does your Lazard analysis take into account the higher need for peaker plants (and imports from French nuclear plants) under a green energy regime?

 

[elektra]

Britain has enough highlands in Scotland to employ pumped hydro and battery storage. As the Hornsdale station in South Australia has proven, grid scale storage can stabilize the grid, make it more robust, and reduce the cost of the electricity.

But, there is no wind. You can not pump water uphill or store energy in batteries with no wind? Pumping water uphill, takes a tremendous amount of power. More power than will ever be returned.

Europe’s Energy Crisis Worsens As Wind Stops Blowing

Energy prices in Europe have hit records due to a shortage of natural gas and much lower than expected wind power output

www.yahoo.com

The UK is suffering the most from the drop in wind power output, caused by mild weather. The country, which prides itself on its wind capacity and whose Prime Minister last year said wind farms could power every home by 2030, produced less than 1 GW of wind power on several days. This compares with a generation capacity of 24 GW, according to ICIS senior energy economist Stefan Konstantinov.

 

[Old Rocks]

Where does your Lazard analysis take into account the higher need for peaker plants (and imports from French nuclear plants) under a green energy regime?

Britain has the topography to build pumped hydro, and there are also many other ways for economical grid scale storage. They are importing French power now when most of the power is from fossil fuels and nuclear. And it was the failure of that cable, not of renewables, that created a situation where they had to restart the coal fired plants that they wisely kept at ready.

 

[Old Rocks]

But, there is no wind. You can not pump water uphill or store energy in batteries with no wind? Pumping water uphill, takes a tremendous amount of power. More power than will ever be returned.

Europe’s Energy Crisis Worsens As Wind Stops Blowing

Energy prices in Europe have hit records due to a shortage of natural gas and much lower than expected wind power output

www.yahoo.com

The UK is suffering the most from the drop in wind power output, caused by mild weather. The country, which prides itself on its wind capacity and whose Prime Minister last year said wind farms could power every home by 2030, produced less than 1 GW of wind power on several days. This compares with a generation capacity of 24 GW, according to ICIS senior energy economist Stefan Konstantinov.

Shortage of natural gas. LOL So, they have an over dependence on natural gas. What they need to to immediately start installing VPP's and Agri-voltaics. With appropriate grid scale storage.

 

[Old Rocks]

But, there is no wind. You can not pump water uphill or store energy in batteries with no wind? Pumping water uphill, takes a tremendous amount of power. More power than will ever be returned.

Europe’s Energy Crisis Worsens As Wind Stops Blowing

Energy prices in Europe have hit records due to a shortage of natural gas and much lower than expected wind power output

www.yahoo.com

The UK is suffering the most from the drop in wind power output, caused by mild weather. The country, which prides itself on its wind capacity and whose Prime Minister last year said wind farms could power every home by 2030, produced less than 1 GW of wind power on several days. This compares with a generation capacity of 24 GW, according to ICIS senior energy economist Stefan Konstantinov.

You mean to tell me that it is going to stay calm forever? You are an idiot. And here is a wind map of Britain. By the looks of it, they are going to have plenty of wind in a day or two. And that is what pumped hydro is all about. Combine wind and solar, when there is little wind, there is usually a lot of sun. Your kneejerk nonsense about wind and solar is just the usual foolishness one expects from an ignorant Trumpanzee.

UK wind map - Met Office

Our wind map shows you the wind speed and direction across the UK. Includes forecasts up to 5 days and observations from the last 24 hours.

www.metoffice.gov.uk

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Shortage of natural gas. LOL So, they have an over dependence on natural gas. What they need to to immediately start installing VPP's and Agri-voltaics. With appropriate grid scale storage.

produced less than 1 GW of wind power on several days. This compares with a generation capacity of 24 GW,

They didn't have enough stored natural gas to cover drops in windpower?

That's good, right? Less icky CO2 from natural gas.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean to tell me that it is going to stay calm forever?

They need to just shut down the country when it's too calm or too cloudy.

Think of all the money they're saving. DURR

 

[elektra]

Shortage of natural gas. LOL So, they have an over dependence on natural gas. What they need to to immediately start installing VPP's and Agri-voltaics. With appropriate grid scale storage.

So, they run out of Wind Power, they have for all practical purposes, none. So they start importing more power from Europe, more electricity. And due to the fact that they are importing so much electricity they literally burn up one of four cables that they use to import electricity. And that is all because they have an over-dependence on Natural Gas???

But they have no wind? All of Europe is suffering the lowest winds, in decades!!!!

It is an over dependence on Green Clean Renewable Energy, which is this case, it is not the usual problem of being intermittent, there simply is no wind.

I guess, the Democrats changed the climate too much, and caused the wind to die, with all those damn wind turbines. Stupid pricks,

 

[elektra]

. What they need to to immediately start installing VPP's and Agri-voltaics. With appropriate grid scale storage.

ha, ha, ha, ha, the big problem, dumb ass, is they can only go in debt so far so fast, so they must wait a few more years so they can create more debt. Too much debt at once bankrupts a country.

GREEN ENERGY FAILED

and old crock says just spend more money on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

ha, ha, ha, ha, the big problem, dumb ass, is they can only go in debt so far so fast, so they must wait a few more years so they can create more debt. Too much debt at once bankrupts a country.

GREEN ENERGY FAILED

and old crock says just spend more money on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Mrs. Elektra, Texas has all kinds of coal fired, natural gas, and nuclear power. And because of idiotic maintenance, it all failed last winter. Now Europe is like all the states but Texas. We ship power back and forth as needed. Normally, Britain would be having no problem with power, but the cable failure isolated them, and they were dependent on that power. So, they need to invest in more generation. What will fill their power needs for the least amount of money. Renewables and grid scale storage. It is that simple, therefore beyond your ken.

 

[elektra]

You mean to tell me that it is going to stay calm forever? You are an idiot. And here is a wind map of Britain. By the looks of it, they are going to have plenty of wind in a day or two. And that is what pumped hydro is all about. Combine wind and solar, when there is little wind, there is usually a lot of sun. Your kneejerk nonsense about wind and solar is just the usual foolishness one expects from an ignorant Trumpanzee.

UK wind map - Met Office

Our wind map shows you the wind speed and direction across the UK. Includes forecasts up to 5 days and observations from the last 24 hours.

www.metoffice.gov.uk

A break in solar power triggers the shutdown of industrial companies the evening, the power generation of the solar systems collapsed drastically. Between 7 p.m. and 8 p.m., they delivered around 3,000 megawatts, just 10% of the output from the afternoon... But the output of the pumped storage power plants and the lignite power plants run up to their maximum load was not enough to compensate for the deficit between electricity demand and electricity generation. The still missing amount of electricity could not be compensated by importing electricity from abroad. Therefore, shortly before 8 p.m., loads were shed from larger, energy-intensive industrial plants, such as aluminum and copper smelters.

 

[elektra]

No food in England? Best hope those English gardens have potatoes

Green Britain faces food shortages as energy crisis shuts down factories

As energy prices in Europe go through the roof, factories are beginning to shut down and food is disappearing from the shelves. Welcome to green Britain, offering a foretaste of what life will be l…

wattsupwiththat.com

As energy prices in Europe go through the roof, factories are beginning to shut down and food is disappearing from the shelves. Welcome to green Britain, offering a foretaste of what life will be like under Net Zero conditions – poorer, colder, hungrier – unless Government changes course.

 

[Old Rocks]

No food in England? Best hope those English gardens have potatoes

Green Britain faces food shortages as energy crisis shuts down factories

As energy prices in Europe go through the roof, factories are beginning to shut down and food is disappearing from the shelves. Welcome to green Britain, offering a foretaste of what life will be l…

wattsupwiththat.com

As energy prices in Europe go through the roof, factories are beginning to shut down and food is disappearing from the shelves. Welcome to green Britain, offering a foretaste of what life will be like under Net Zero conditions – poorer, colder, hungrier – unless Government changes course.

Silly ass, Germany is still exporting more power than they import.

 

[elektra]

Silly ass, Germany is still exporting more power than they import.

No, not since the wind quit blowing. Germany is suffering, impacting all of europe

 

[Silver Cat]

Are you gloating over their misfortune?

It's not about misfortune. It's about stupidity of the Green Course.

 

[Colin norris]

This story exposes so many Green Clean Renewable Alternative energy failures I am stunned.

England can not supply it's power from Green/Clean/Renewable/Alternative energy, it must import power from France. The Electrical Cable that connects the two countries caught fire and wont be fixed for months.

England now has to fire up it's old Coal Power plants to provide electricity to the masses. Prices for energy have already begun to rise rapidly. Solar and Wind can not help during this emergency!

All these claims dictating Green Energy works, and here we find out that Green Energy is so week England imports electricity from France.

Britain may face the embarrassment of being forced to ramp up coal power during Glasgow COP26, as a critical undersea cable failure has cut the ability of imported French nuclear power to help maintain the fantasy that Britain’s renewable heavy electricity grid is fit for purpose. Power prices

soar after key electricity cable between UK and France catches fire British electricity prices jumped by 19 per cent to £475 per megawatt hour on Wednesday.

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What's your view on the Biden's plan for the future?

 

[elektra]

What's your view on the Biden's plan for the future?

The federal reserve will make 5% on every dollar printed. Biden is on course to spend $20 trillion. The federal reserve , a private organization,, will make $1 trillion.

 

[Colin norris]

The federal reserve will make 5% on every dollar printed. Biden is on course to spend $20 trillion. The federal reserve , a private organization,, will make $1 trillion.

20 trillion. I don't think so. Where's the link to that? Either post it or shut up you ignorant fool.

If it was the case, why would a private entity continue to prop up the government spending?
For what purpose do you think it is for?

The Federal Reserve does not receive funding through the congressional budgetary process. The Fed's income comes primarily from the interest on government securities that it has acquired through investments and borrowings.

The Fed itself is set up like a private company but is control by a government appointed board so who do you think controls it.

The purpose of them is to attract profits through all sorts of business dealings and that money eventually ends up in the g hands of you and me through government spending.

Any questions? Well resr search it yourself.