Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment...so criminals have guns, just murdered 9 year old, in gun free Britain...

[2aguy]

Well, unregistered firearms in the UK includes antiques. A friend of mine has two Martini-Henry rifles and an Adams revolver. He has no firearms licence, but is considered legal. As for walking into a school, blah, blah. Aren't such massacres in America carried out by "normal" "responsible" gun owners who have no criminal records until they pull the trigger?

Well, there was no obligation on the Government to compensate gun owners at the time, it was just the fair and civilised way of getting handgun owners to comply with the law.

Ah, comparing chalk and cheese again. Your gun murders were carried out in peacetime by civilians, ours were carried out during a brutal war, by Far Right wing Fascists and Far Left wing Communists, and their puppet regimes, usually by soldiers or security forces in response to acts of armed resistance to those regimes. If you can't grasp the difference, I pity you.

And you still can’t explain how your gun laws stop school shootings and other mass public shootings….you admit that guns are still available….and the British police admit they can’t stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country…

 

[Papageorgio]

This isn't supposed to happen......Britain banned and confiscated guns from their law abiding citizens...but criminals need guns to protect themselves and their illegal businesses....so gun control laws will not stop them.....and it hasn't...

Olivia Pratt-Korbel was shot dead when she was standing behind her mum as a gunman opened fire through a gap in the doorway at the front of her home on Monday night. Merseyside Police confirmed at a press conference that a gunman wearing a balaclava approached two men on Kingsheath Avenue, at the Finch Road end of the road, and opened fire at them just before 10pm.

Olivia's mum Cheryl opened the front door to see what was happening before one man forced his way into her home, followed by the gunman. A number of shots were fired before one bullet hit Cheryl in the wrist and Olivia in the chest.

Schoolgirl named, Men left girl to die and Nan stabbed

The latest ECHO headlines at lunchtime on Tuesday, August 23

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Some more gun free activity in Britain...

Tip offs 'flowing in' after 'little man Sam' shot dead in street

Sam was stood with a group of people when he was hit by gunfire

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Family 'torn apart' by murder of 'our shining light' Ashley Dale

Ashley Dale, 28, was caught in a hail of bullets after a killer forced their way into her home

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

But, but, but Americans are worser!

 

[2aguy]

ThunderKiss1965

Well, unregistered firearms in the UK includes antiques. A friend of mine has two Martini-Henry rifles and an Adams revolver. He has no firearms licence, but is considered legal. As for walking into a school, blah, blah. Aren't such massacres in America carried out by "normal" "responsible" gun owners who have no criminal records until they pull the trigger?

Well, there was no obligation on the Government to compensate gun owners at the time, it was just the fair and civilised way of getting handgun owners to comply with the law.

Ah, comparing chalk and cheese again. Your gun murders were carried out in peacetime by civilians, ours were carried out during a brutal war, by Far Right wing Fascists and Far Left wing Communists, and their puppet regimes, usually by soldiers or security forces in response to acts of armed resistance to those regimes. If you can't grasp the difference, I pity you.

Fascists are left wingers…….you dope……fascism and communism are simply two flavors of socialism. The term “fascism,” was created by life long communist, Benito Mussolini….who was kicked out of the communist party so he started his own brand of socialism.

 

[Vagabond63]

ThunderKiss1965


Fascists are left wingers…….you dope……fascism and communism are simply two flavors of socialism. The term “fascism,” was created by life long communist, Benito Mussolini….who was kicked out of the communist party so he started his own brand of socialism.

Oh good grief, even Wikipedia disagrees with you. Fascism and ideology - Wikipedia
"Fascism supported private property rights – except for the groups which it persecuted – and the profit motive of capitalism, but it sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism from the state. Its adherents shared many of the goals of the conservatives of their day and they often allied themselves with them by drawing recruits from disaffected conservative ranks, but they presented themselves as holding a more modern ideology, with less focus on things like traditional religion. Fascism opposed class conflict and the egalitarian and international character of socialism. It strongly opposed liberalism, communism, anarchism, and democratic socialism."

Sounds a lot like "Trumpism" to me, and what your GOP stands for from what I've seen.

 

[Vagabond63]

And you still can’t explain how your gun laws stop school shootings and other mass public shootings….you admit that guns are still available….and the British police admit they can’t stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country…

I have, several times, but it never seems to penetrate your cranium.
One more time then, our laws for firearm ownership are designed to weed out those people who could be a threat to society if they were to own a firearm. No law ever functions perfectly, but when you compare the number of multiple homicides with firearms between the UK and the USA, our laws work to our satisfaction.

Interestingly, the majority of your mass murderers were "responsible" and "law abiding" until they walked into a school or shopping centre, or store, or church and started shooting. Then they became "disturbed" or "crazy"; you know, those people we in the UK think should not be able to own firearms.

Oh, it's not the job of the Police to stop the smuggling of firearms into the UK, that's the responsibility of the UK Border Force, a separate organisation.

 

[Vagabond63]

But, but, but Americans are worser!

Given the number of gun killings and woundings compared to the UK, yes you are.

 

[Vagabond63]

And no…the 15 million murdered innocent men, women and children were not part of the collateral damage from military combat…….these 15 million were innocent civilians, rounded up by the various governments under the control of the German Socialists and murdered…….

Oh good grief, I never said they were, do keep up.
"Far Right wing Fascists and Far Left wing Communists, and their puppet regimes, usually by soldiers or security forces in response to acts of armed resistance to those regimes."

 

[Vagabond63]

You can lie about this ….as expected since you are an anti-gun fanatic, but the truth is the truth…

*sigh* Once again, I'm not an anti-gun fanatic, I have no problem with guns, I used to own three myself before the law changed as I've stated before time after time. I am in favour of controlling who is allowed to own a firearm and in general, we here in the UK don't need guns for self defence, it's called civilisation.

 

[2aguy]

Oh good grief, even Wikipedia disagrees with you. Fascism and ideology - Wikipedia
"Fascism supported private property rights – except for the groups which it persecuted – and the profit motive of capitalism, but it sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism from the state. Its adherents shared many of the goals of the conservatives of their day and they often allied themselves with them by drawing recruits from disaffected conservative ranks, but they presented themselves as holding a more modern ideology, with less focus on things like traditional religion. Fascism opposed class conflict and the egalitarian and international character of socialism. It strongly opposed liberalism, communism, anarchism, and democratic socialism."

Sounds a lot like "Trumpism" to me, and what your GOP stands for from what I've seen.

Wikipedia?

Now that is funny......

Here....dumb ass...a real definition...

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty


As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.

The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.

Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners.

Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.)

Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.
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In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace.Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

 

[bodecea]

This isn't supposed to happen......Britain banned and confiscated guns from their law abiding citizens...but criminals need guns to protect themselves and their illegal businesses....so gun control laws will not stop them.....and it hasn't...

Olivia Pratt-Korbel was shot dead when she was standing behind her mum as a gunman opened fire through a gap in the doorway at the front of her home on Monday night. Merseyside Police confirmed at a press conference that a gunman wearing a balaclava approached two men on Kingsheath Avenue, at the Finch Road end of the road, and opened fire at them just before 10pm.

Olivia's mum Cheryl opened the front door to see what was happening before one man forced his way into her home, followed by the gunman. A number of shots were fired before one bullet hit Cheryl in the wrist and Olivia in the chest.

Schoolgirl named, Men left girl to die and Nan stabbed

The latest ECHO headlines at lunchtime on Tuesday, August 23

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Some more gun free activity in Britain...

Tip offs 'flowing in' after 'little man Sam' shot dead in street

Sam was stood with a group of people when he was hit by gunfire

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Family 'torn apart' by murder of 'our shining light' Ashley Dale

Ashley Dale, 28, was caught in a hail of bullets after a killer forced their way into her home

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

One... how many in Uvalde?

 

[2aguy]

I have, several times, but it never seems to penetrate your cranium.
One more time then, our laws for firearm ownership are designed to weed out those people who could be a threat to society if they were to own a firearm. No law ever functions perfectly, but when you compare the number of multiple homicides with firearms between the UK and the USA, our laws work to our satisfaction.

Interestingly, the majority of your mass murderers were "responsible" and "law abiding" until they walked into a school or shopping centre, or store, or church and started shooting. Then they became "disturbed" or "crazy"; you know, those people we in the UK think should not be able to own firearms.

Oh, it's not the job of the Police to stop the smuggling of firearms into the UK, that's the responsibility of the UK Border Force, a separate organisation.

Again...before you banned guns you had a tiny number of mass public shootings....after you banned guns you had the same tiny number of mass public shootings...that shows, you doofus......that gun ownership isn't the issue....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.....we have over 350 million Americans, with about 50 million with some form of mental illness......

We had 6 mass public shootings in 2021.....

6 people out of over 350 million....

With over 600 million guns in private hands......

So no, we don't have a problem with mass public shooters....

We have a real problem with the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders who have long criminal records....and they release these individuals over and over again....

 

[2aguy]

*sigh* Once again, I'm not an anti-gun fanatic, I have no problem with guns, I used to own three myself before the law changed as I've stated before time after time. I am in favour of controlling who is allowed to own a firearm and in general, we here in the UK don't need guns for self defence, it's called civilisation.

Yeah....keep telling yourself that as your criminals fear your police less and less each year......

 

[2aguy]

I have, several times, but it never seems to penetrate your cranium.
One more time then, our laws for firearm ownership are designed to weed out those people who could be a threat to society if they were to own a firearm. No law ever functions perfectly, but when you compare the number of multiple homicides with firearms between the UK and the USA, our laws work to our satisfaction.

Interestingly, the majority of your mass murderers were "responsible" and "law abiding" until they walked into a school or shopping centre, or store, or church and started shooting. Then they became "disturbed" or "crazy"; you know, those people we in the UK think should not be able to own firearms.

Oh, it's not the job of the Police to stop the smuggling of firearms into the UK, that's the responsibility of the UK Border Force, a separate organisation.

Yes....your weeding out process must be why gun crime is increasing........

Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.

The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.

In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years.

While big cities dominate the headlines, the rise in gun crime in places such as Sussex, Kent and Cheshire is probably down to what has become known as “county lines” – urban organised crime groups pushing out into rural areas – said Peter Squires, a gun crime expert and professor of criminology at the University of Brighton.

Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales

 

[Vagabond63]

Yes....your weeding out process must be why gun crime is increasing........

Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.

The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.

In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years.

While big cities dominate the headlines, the rise in gun crime in places such as Sussex, Kent and Cheshire is probably down to what has become known as “county lines” – urban organised crime groups pushing out into rural areas – said Peter Squires, a gun crime expert and professor of criminology at the University of Brighton.

Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales

Yes, but as the "gun crime" is criminal v criminal, by your constant arguments, it doesn't count!

 

[Vagabond63]

Yeah....keep telling yourself that as your criminals fear your police less and less each year......

...and another "fear pill". Our police are armed when needed, thank you.

 

[Vagabond63]

Again...before you banned guns you had a tiny number of mass public shootings....after you banned guns you had the same tiny number of mass public shootings...that shows, you doofus......that gun ownership isn't the issue....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.....we have over 350 million Americans, with about 50 million with some form of mental illness......

We had 6 mass public shootings in 2021.....

6 people out of over 350 million....

With over 600 million guns in private hands......

So no, we don't have a problem with mass public shooters....

We have a real problem with the democrat party releasing violent gun offenders who have long criminal records....and they release these individuals over and over again....

Not talking about your FBI's definition of "mass public shootings," I mentioned multiple homicides with firearms, what really goes on in both our countries.

 

[Paracetamol63]

This isn't supposed to happen......Britain banned and confiscated guns from their law abiding citizens...but criminals need guns to protect themselves and their illegal businesses....so gun control laws will not stop them.....and it hasn't...

Olivia Pratt-Korbel was shot dead when she was standing behind her mum as a gunman opened fire through a gap in the doorway at the front of her home on Monday night. Merseyside Police confirmed at a press conference that a gunman wearing a balaclava approached two men on Kingsheath Avenue, at the Finch Road end of the road, and opened fire at them just before 10pm.

Olivia's mum Cheryl opened the front door to see what was happening before one man forced his way into her home, followed by the gunman. A number of shots were fired before one bullet hit Cheryl in the wrist and Olivia in the chest.

Schoolgirl named, Men left girl to die and Nan stabbed

The latest ECHO headlines at lunchtime on Tuesday, August 23

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Some more gun free activity in Britain...

Tip offs 'flowing in' after 'little man Sam' shot dead in street

Sam was stood with a group of people when he was hit by gunfire

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Family 'torn apart' by murder of 'our shining light' Ashley Dale

Ashley Dale, 28, was caught in a hail of bullets after a killer forced their way into her home

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Yup. A few gun murders is the same as hundreds a day. US=UK

 

[Paracetamol63]

...and another "fear pill". Our police are armed when needed, thank you.

I think the view in America is "when needed" = ALWAYS.

And "our police" = Any random dude with a gun fetish and some spare cash.

THAT'S the Second Amendment in a nutshell.

 

[Paracetamol63]

They also don't have the First Amendment...so they can't talk about it either.

Wow. SOunds like the British live in a prison camp! No guns and no freedom of speech! Sounds like NORTH KOREA if I were to listen to most posters on here.

Unfortunately I've actually been there many times and it didn't seem that horrible. But then I was there for work most of the time and didn't need to have a gun.

 

[Paracetamol63]

The UK has never had a gun culture; handgun ownership was always a "fringe" movement.

I think this is the problem in the US. We have a "gun culture" which is what I grew up in in the Midwest. Hunters and the like. They treated guns as dangerous tools that should be handled with great care. Nowadays too many Americans have turned that into a game of "childhood fantasy" and "Wild West Cowboy Fantasy". We have a sick relationship with guns now. And that's part of the problem.