Yes, and countries that have very high murder by gun rates, could be those countries that have been starting the most wars.
It's not productive of 2A's purpose to ignore a culture of war.
How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws. Oh...that's right, gun control for people who don't use guns for crime
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It's not productive of 2A's purpose to ignore a culture of war.
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There was gun violence but the levels were very low....going into the 1960s......then as the democrats destroyed our cities, from mid 1960s on, the level of gun violence increased until the 1990s when states began to pass concealed carry laws, and we started locking up violent criminals for life......instead of releasing them the day of their arrest for gun crimes with no cash bail......
Again....
Please explain...
We now have 600 million guns....more than ever before, and over 22 million people now carry guns for self defense, with about 16 million carrying guns every day.....
The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.
What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
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The people murdered in Europe were not casualties of war....they were innocent men, women and children rounded up by the socialists, taken into forests or sent to death camps and murdered...........
15 million in just 6 years.
Total gun murder in the entire 246 year history of the U.S.?
Around 2,460,000
Big difference.
I have no interest in defending either or your political parties.
But I'll consider it to be progress in at least acknowledging that the problem exists in America, far, far out of proportion to any other civilized first world country.
Can we move on to:
How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws.
And so even though you categorized Britain's gun control laws as 'wonderful', I'm aware that it was meant as sarcasm. And so some other answer to the question is needed?
PLease stay on topic by trying with me to answer the question.
If the problem is on the increase in Britain, out of proportion to other countries, I'll offer the explanation that it's due to their 'huge increase in their culture of wars and murder abroad'.
Britain has followed America so closely in an attempt to be America's lapdog. It would be reasonable to expect they would start slaughtering their own with thier limited number of guns too.
The number of guns in Britain has increased dramatically of late.
A word or two on Canada's increasing gun murder rate. It is exactly proportional to American guns being smuggled into Canada by the good guys, and those evil type of guns turning good guys into bad guys with guns.
But one again, we need to compare America's statistics on gun murder with it's number of guns, in order to answer the question on Britain's 'wonderful' (sic) gun control.
I was unable to verify your numbers. Please point me to the data.
The Dems have controlled most large Urban area from the 1960s until today. Can you provided a causation between gun violence and CC laws?
What is that based on?
That's a sub-topic that should be discussed.
I'm going to assume that anybody carrying a concealed weapon on city streets has bad intentions.
I'll leave that as a blanket statement that reflects my opinion, in hopes that some will expand on it.
But I will add that the bad buys with handguns and AR type weapons are the source of all the bad guys that are slaughtering American citizens in record numbers.
I"ve acknowledged America's hugely out of proportion gun violence. Maybe it's time for you too?
How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws.
Can we deal with your topic?
Their socalled 'wonderful' gun control laws are directly proportional to their much lower statistics on gun related slaughter.
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This....
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Guns....10,258
Knives...1,476
Clubs....397
Bare hands....600
Rifles...364
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Total murder U.K. 2019...
683
Homicides in England and Wales 2022 | Statista
How many homicides are there in England and Wales? There were 710 homicides recorded in England and Wales in 2021/22, an increase of 140 when compared with the previous reporting year, when there were 570 homicides.
www.statista.com
We have almost more empty hand murders than their entire murder rate.
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Yep......and that is when violent crime began to spike in the U.S.......until the 90s when states began to allow concealed carry, but the biggest factor was 3 strike laws that put violent felons in prison for life.....it seems locking up violent criminals lowers the violent crime rate....
In December 2008, a Memphis, TN newspaper published a searchable online database of names, zip codes, and ages of Tennessee handgun carry permit holders. We use detailed crime and handgun carry permit data for the city of Memphis to estimate the impact of publicity about the database on burglaries. We find that burglaries increased in zip codes with fewer gun permits, and decreased in those with more gun permits, after the database was publicized.
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29940/w29940.pdf
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Social science on the right to bear arms
Lott amicus to New York case...
https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...144549202_Amicus brief SWD 7.19.2021 2300.pdf
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1229604
1977-2000
1.5%-2.3% reductions in murder rate
2-3 billion dollars benefit in first 5 years.
Wilson....
Appendix A Dissent--James Q. Wilson | Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review |The National Academies Press
Lott argued that murder rates decline after the adoption of RTC laws even after allowing for the effect of other variables that affect crime rates. The committee has confirmed this finding as is evident in its Tables 6-1, 6-2, 6-5 (first row), 6-6 (first row), and 6-7 (first two rows). This confirmation includes both the original data period (1977-1992) used by Lott and data that run through 2000. In view of the confirmation of the findings that shall-issue laws drive down the murder rate, it is hard for me to understand why these claims are called “fragile.”
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In addition, with only a few exceptions, the studies cited in Chapter 6, including those by Lott’s critics, do not show that the passage of RTC laws drives the crime rates up (as might be the case if one supposed that newly armed people went about looking for someone to shoot). The direct evidence that such shooting sprees occur is nonexistent. The indirect evidence, as found in papers by Black and Nagin and Ayres and Donohue [cited in Chapter 6], is controversial. Indeed, the Ayres and Donohue paper shows that there was a “statistically significant downward shift in the trend” of the murder rate (Chapter 6, page 135). This suggests to me that for people interested in RTC laws, the best evidence we have is that they impose no costs but may confer benefits. That conclusion might be very useful to authorities who contemplate the enactment of RTC laws.
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In sum, I find that the evidence presented by Lott and his supporters suggests that RTC laws do in fact help drive down the murder rate, though their effect on other crimes is ambiguous.
University of Chicago Press Journals: Cookie absent
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In 1997, John Lott and David Mustard published an important paper in which they found that right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws reduce violent crime. Although Lott and Mustard appear to do all possible variations of the analysis, a closer reading reveals that the study might suffer from several possibly important errors. I reestimate the model and check for incorrect functional form, omitted variables, and possible second‐order bias in the t‐ratios. Lott and Mustard's basic conclusions are generally robust with respect to these potential econometric problems. Overall, right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary.Do Right to Carry Laws Increase Violent Crime? A Comment on Donohue, Aneja, and Weber · Econ Journal Watch : shall-issue, gun control
Nevertheless, when we use the synthetic control model, we find that the claim that RTC laws increase either murder or violent crime is not supported. We find states where crime increased after the implementation of the RTC law, and we find more states in which crime decreased after the law.
Mustard, D. 2001. The impact of gun laws on police deaths. The Journal of Law & Economics, 44(S2): 635-657..
After enactment of the right-to-carry laws, states exhibit a reduced likelihood of having a felonious police death rate and slightly lower rates of police deaths.
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Allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons does not endanger the lives of officers and may help reduce their risk of being killed.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ountable_Crimes-Only_a_Count_Analysis_Can_Say
We find that the effects of such laws vary across crime categories, U.S. states, and time and that such laws appear to have statistically significant deterrent effects on the numbers of reported murders, rapes, and robberies. Copyright 2001 by the University of Chicago.
EconPapers: Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness
Overall, right-to-carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary. Copyright 2001 by the University of Chicago.
The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws · Econ Journal Watch : shall-issue, crime, handguns, concealed weapons
Our analysis, as well as Ayres and Donohue’s when projected beyond a five-year span, indicates that shall-issue laws decrease crime and the costs of crime. Purists in statistical analysis object with some cause to some of methods employed both by Ayres and Donohue and by us. But our paper upgrades Ayres and Donohue, so, until the next study comes along, our paper should neutralize Ayres and Donohue’s “more guns, more crime” conclusion.
The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws on Crime: An Exercise in R
his paper reports a replication of their basic findings and some corresponding robustness checks, which reveal a serious omitted variable problem. Once corrected for omitted variables, the most robust result, confirmed using both county and state data, is that RTC laws significantly reduce murder. There is no robust, consistent evidence that RTC laws have any significant effect on other violent crimes, including assault. There is some weak evidence that RTC laws increase robbery and assault while decreasing rape. Given that the victim costs of murder and rape are much higher than the costs of robbery and assault, the evidence shows that RTC laws are socially beneficial.
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A detailed list of just some of the papers...
https://crimeresearch.org/2020/11/do-right-to-carry-laws-reduce-violent-crime/
How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws.
This topic wasn't started in the interest of finding any answers to either Britain's shootings or even America's hugely out of proportion mass slaughter with their guns.As always, it's just another example of the pro-gun nut's attempt to 'troll'.
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Here....
Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019| Statista
In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.
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Here.....
Homicide Rate, 1950–2014
Find the homicide rate per 100,000 people for the entire U.S. by year, 1950 to the most recent data available. Homicides include murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.
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A good look at the numbers...
2. The substantial rise in death and assailant rates that began about 1960 for the 15-29 age group; and
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The total rate for homicide rose from 4.7 deaths per 100,000 for 1960 to 9.8 deaths for 1973 and to an estimated 10.3 estimated deaths per 100,000 for 1974.
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I don't see the connection between the homicide data and your assertion that British criminals only intend to wound?
The data you gave included no support for your assertions that Dems caused the problem and concealed carry solved it. You can believe whatever you wish, just don't expect me to trust any of your made-up assertions.Here....
Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019| Statista
In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.
Here.....
Homicide Rate, 1950–2014
Find the homicide rate per 100,000 people for the entire U.S. by year, 1950 to the most recent data available. Homicides include murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.www.infoplease.com
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You are absolutely right.
All those uncouth Americans and other unsophisticated riff raff coming here are upsetting our exemplary performance .
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