Bringing manufacturing back to the US, but no jobs for the working class

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Howard Lutnick appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation on Sunday and promised that “trillions” of dollars would flow into the US in the form of new investments in America’s manufacturing sector. Margaret Brennan, the show’s host, questioned whether those factories would be “automated”, as Lutnick had said previously.

Pointing out that the construction of new factories “takes years” and will do nothing to bring down costs of consumer goods for Americans in the short term, Brennan added: “You said that robots are going to fill those jobs. So those aren't union worker jobs.”

“It’s automated factories,” Lutnick conceded, while promising that American workers would build and “operate” the factories brought to US shores in the coming months and years."

Yep, they're planning on bringing manufacturing back to the US, but not for working class to have low paid jobs, they'll never compete with poorer countries even with the tariffs put in place. Nope, it's all going to be automated so the rich get RICHER and the poorer get morescrewedoverer.
 
The people who are saying we must suffer the pain, the stock market collapse, and the coming recession are the same folks who lost their god-damned minds when they were asked to put on a mask to keep from killing someone's grandmother.
 
Are robots going to build the plants?

You do realize that there are construction companies that specialize in building plants don't you?

They employ thousands upon thousands of workers.

Are you that fuckin' dumb?
Yes, they are that fucking dumb. Plus even the most roboticized plants have extensive numbers of employees to do the jobs the robots can't do, and to maintain the robots.
 

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Howard Lutnick appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation on Sunday and promised that “trillions” of dollars would flow into the US in the form of new investments in America’s manufacturing sector. Margaret Brennan, the show’s host, questioned whether those factories would be “automated”, as Lutnick had said previously.

Pointing out that the construction of new factories “takes years” and will do nothing to bring down costs of consumer goods for Americans in the short term, Brennan added: “You said that robots are going to fill those jobs. So those aren't union worker jobs.”

“It’s automated factories,” Lutnick conceded, while promising that American workers would build and “operate” the factories brought to US shores in the coming months and years."

Yep, they're planning on bringing manufacturing back to the US, but not for working class to have low paid jobs, they'll never compete with poorer countries even with the tariffs put in place. Nope, it's all going to be automated so the rich get RICHER and the poorer get morescrewedoverer.
Let's just say that the future is automated. AIs doing the brain work and robots doing the grunt work.

Don't you want your country to have the majority of that production?

I mean, if that is the future, eventually we WILL need to become an even more socialist society. The companies that make these products will have to be taxed at rates near 70% just to pay people who cannot find work a Universal Basic Income.

Do you want those plants here? Or in Communist China, or Vietnam?

Pull your head out of your ass.

Whether your right or wrong doesn't matter. Either way President Trump's plan is the best course of action.
 
Are robots going to build the plants?

You do realize that there are construction companies that specialize in building plants don't you?

They employ thousands upon thousands of workers.

Are you that fuckin' dumb?
Why yes, yes they are. They gobble up every morsel their Democrat masters spoon up for them.
 
Yep, they're planning on bringing manufacturing back to the US, but not for working class to have low paid jobs, they'll never compete with poorer countries even with the tariffs put in place. Nope, it's all going to be automated so the rich get RICHER and the poorer get morescrewedoverer.
Correct.

No jobs are ‘coming back.’

Even with severe tariffs, it will still be cheaper to manufacture in China and other such countries, where the average income of a factory worker is $800 a month.
 
Correct. No jobs are ‘coming back.’
Even with severe tariffs, it will still be cheaper to manufacture in China and other such countries, where the average income of a factory worker is $800 a month.
Do you remember what Henry Ford said when he was asked why he paid his workers so well?
(he wants them to be able to buy one of his cars)
 

Bringing manufacturing back to the US, but no jobs for the working class​



Who other than the working man gets the manufacturing jobs?
 
Correct.

No jobs are ‘coming back.’

Even with severe tariffs, it will still be cheaper to manufacture in China and other such countries, where the average income of a factory worker is $800 a month.
You're so fucking stupid it must hurt. No, you idiot, the jobs are ALREADY coming back.

Go suck your Chinese masters cock and shut up.
 

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Howard Lutnick appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation on Sunday and promised that “trillions” of dollars would flow into the US in the form of new investments in America’s manufacturing sector. Margaret Brennan, the show’s host, questioned whether those factories would be “automated”, as Lutnick had said previously.

Pointing out that the construction of new factories “takes years” and will do nothing to bring down costs of consumer goods for Americans in the short term, Brennan added: “You said that robots are going to fill those jobs. So those aren't union worker jobs.”

“It’s automated factories,” Lutnick conceded, while promising that American workers would build and “operate” the factories brought to US shores in the coming months and years."

Yep, they're planning on bringing manufacturing back to the US, but not for working class to have low paid jobs, they'll never compete with poorer countries even with the tariffs put in place. Nope, it's all going to be automated so the rich get RICHER and the poorer get morescrewedoverer.

So if they are all automated (which they aren’t), then why can’t the factory be in the US?

Auto factories have lots of automation, but they also have lots of people on the assembly line. Some things are just better for humans to do, other are better for the robots.

You people are so pathetic for arguing that factories should not be in America. Absolutely pathetic.
 
Correct.

No jobs are ‘coming back.’

Even with severe tariffs, it will still be cheaper to manufacture in China and other such countries, where the average income of a factory worker is $800 a month.
So you support virtual slave labor from overseas brown people.

You don’t support minimum wage or human rights or environmental laws, so you support China which violates all those things.

This is your party platform now.
 
Robotics are the freaking present but robotics still represent jobs for skilled middle class workers in spite of a Brit editorial.

Yes, there might be some skilled jobs there, a few.


"More recently, attempts at establishing full lights out factories have been successful. Development into this methodology has occurred around the world. One example can be found in the Netherlands. Philips has successfully set up automated factors for the production of electric razors. The only role of human workers here is quality assurance and there are just nine workers operating in this capacity."

The problem in the US is how much a worker costs.


The average wage, according to this, ins $16.97 an hour. A 40 hour week is going to cost $678.8 a week, or $2,700 a month or more. Another says most earn from $42,000 a year, or $3,500 a month.

In China, which has seen more than a doubling of their economy in the last 10 years, the average salary a month might be like $700. So, imagine that in the US for every worker you're paying $35,000 a year more. There's massive incentive to automate and automate without needing things like lights, toilets, healthcare etc etc.

The other problem is, the people who supported Trump for his "bring back manufacturing jobs" are those who'd want the high paid, low skilled, working class jobs. The sort of people Vance spoke about in his book, the lazy bastards he speaks about in his book who want the job, but don't want to do the work. So, for your extra $35,000 you a worker who's half as productive.

Wow.
 
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Let's just say that the future is automated. AIs doing the brain work and robots doing the grunt work.

Don't you want your country to have the majority of that production?

I mean, if that is the future, eventually we WILL need to become an even more socialist society. The companies that make these products will have to be taxed at rates near 70% just to pay people who cannot find work a Universal Basic Income.

Do you want those plants here? Or in Communist China, or Vietnam?

Pull your head out of your ass.

Whether your right or wrong doesn't matter. Either way President Trump's plan is the best course of action.
Yes, and think about it this way too. If we didn't modernize our military, then our ships in the gulf being fired upon by the Houthis, well they would all be on the bottom by now.
 
There are plenty of existing building available for manufacturing, so it's not going to take years for production to be up and running.
 
Yes, there might be some skilled jobs there, a few.


"More recently, attempts at establishing full lights out factories have been successful. Development into this methodology has occurred around the world. One example can be found in the Netherlands. Philips has successfully set up automated factors for the production of electric razors. The only role of human workers here is quality assurance and there are just nine workers operating in this capacity."

The problem in the US is how much a worker costs.


The average wage, according to this, ins $16.97 an hour. A 40 hour week is going to cost $678.8 a week, or $2,700 a month or more. Another says most earn from $42,000 a year, or $3,500 a month.

In China, which has seen more than a doubling of their economy in the last 10 years, the average salary a month might be like $700. So, imagine that in the US for every worker you're paying $35,000 a year more. There's massive incentive to automate and automate without needing things like lights, toilets, healthcare etc etc.

The other problem is, the people who supported Trump for his "bring back manufacturing jobs" are those who'd want the high paid, low skilled, working class jobs. The sort of people Vance spoke about in his book, the lazy bastards he speaks about in his book who want the job, but don't want to do the work. So, for your extra $35,000 you a worker who's half as productive.

Wow.


I call BS on a lights out factory. They might work great till something breaks. For instance the HVAC systems that keeps the robots and the vast computer systems that operate them at an optimal temp. And what happens when they change to a new model, robots have to be reprogramed, retooled, maybe some moved, also the electrical systems have to be maintained. And that's just a drop in the bucket of what it takes to a plant operating. Oh and let's not forget the folks that have to load the containers and truck them to ports, that all takes people.

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Yes, and think about it this way too. If we didn't modernize our military, then our ships in the gulf being fired upon by the Houthis, well they would all be on the bottom by now.
No they wouldn’t.
 

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