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[RetiredGySgt]

Shooting an unarmed black kid half his size. Right.

who was pounding his head into cement walkway as proven by trial.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Nobody cares...

Darrin Wilson lied his ass off, he was just harrassing black kids because that's what they did in Ferguson.

Every time you get backed into a corner because you get caught contradicting yourself with your own lies, you inevitably fall back to "Wilson is a racist cop and cops are corrupt.".

All your fantasies about what Brown did aren't worth my time.

I don't need to fantasize anything because Brown himself wrote the story. Everything I've said about Brown's actions or the events of that day are the truth and most is supported by video and/or witness evidence or are otherwise a matter of record.

Whereas for you, facts and details of the case be damned. You have given no real thought to this case because you're only capable of thinking from post to post. You will say whatever you need to say to counter your opponent's last comment, even if you know it's a lie and even if it contradicts your own last comment. You have to maintain your own fantasies at any cost, even if the price is the truth.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

No, I just get bored with Ghostie trying to rationalize the shooting of an unarmed black child by a thug who never should have had a badge or a gun.

Only one of us has been lying about it. If anyone's rationalizing anything, it sure as hell isn't me.

 

[JoeB131]

Every time you get backed into a corner because you get caught contradicting yourself with your own lies, you inevitably fall back to "Wilson is a racist cop and cops are corrupt.".

That's all that really needs to be said. Arguments about whether or not the cigarrellos were in a bag and if WIlson saw them in his Super Vision (but didn't write it into his official report until days later) are moot.

He shot an unarmed, wounded, barefoot kid who had his hands up.

That's why it's kind of sad watching white people get upset about Good and Pretti. Black people have been putting up with this kind of shit for years.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't need to fantasize anything because Brown himself wrote the story. Everything I've said about Brown's actions or the events of that day are the truth and most is supported by video and/or witness evidence or are otherwise a matter of record.

the only video is him pushing Apu into the chip rack. That has nothing to do with the shooting.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

That's all that really needs to be said. Arguments about whether or not the cigarrellos were in a bag and if WIlson saw them in his Super Vision (but didn't write it into his official report until days later) are moot.

Then why did you bring it up?

In Post #7395, I said "After asking them to get out of the road he glanced down and saw the cigars in Brown's hand."
To which you replied in Post #7397: "He had X-ray vision and knew the cigarellos were in that brown paper bag? Really?"
YOU were the one who brought up the issue of the cigars being in a bag, not me. You brought it up for a reason and that reason was that it threatens your fantasy that "Darrin Wilson lied his ass off, he was just harrassing black kids because that's what they did in Ferguson.".

You made it a point to say the cigars were in a bag to maintain your fantasy that Wilson was simply harassing black kids. You had to get those cigars out of the equation somehow. Therefore, the cigars being in a bag was required: if Wilson didn't see them then he alone escalated a jaywalking issue to a shooting. Voila. Cut and dried drumhead judgment.

He shot an unarmed, wounded, barefoot kid who had his hands up.

If that's all there was to it then why have you persisted all these years in distorting the facts? Why have you persisted with the lies that:

The cigars were in a bag?
The cigars were paid for with pot?
No one called the cops?
No one at the store called the cops?
A bystander called the cops? (that's three lies in the same discussion just on the issue of the ******* cops being called)
Brown was shot for jaywalking? etc., etc.

That's why it's kind of sad watching white people get upset about Good and Pretti. Black people have been putting up with this kind of shit for years.

YOU'RE one of the white people who got upset over the Good shooting. That's what this thread is about and why you're here.

 

[JoeB131]

Then why did you bring it up?

I didn't. YOu are the one who keeps jamming these past arguments into threads.

Wilson shot a wounded, unarmed, barefoot kid who had his hands up and was trying to surrender, because that kid pissed him off.

YOU'RE one of the white people who got upset over the Good shooting. That's what this thread is about and why you're here.

I just point out the hypocrisy of those who are suddenly upset about white people getting shot.

I've been consistent that LE shooting unarmed people is always wrong.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

the only video is him pushing Apu into the chip rack. That has nothing to do with the shooting.

And yet another lie.

There is store surveillance video of both times Brown went to the store and I've seen them. The first one shows him entering and going to the cooler in back for a soda and then going to the counter. There is no audio but you see him place the soda on the counter and there is a verbal exchange where the clerk then grabs some boxes of Swisher Sweets, puts them in a bag and places the bag on the counter.
Brown then puts the bag of dope on the counter and another verbal exchange ensues. Apparently the clerk is not on board with taking the dope as payment so Brown grabs the dope and leaves without the cigars and soda. The clerk takes the cigars out of the bag and puts them back on the shelf.

The other video shows Brown returning later in the day with his friend Dorian. He approaches the counter directly and there is a verbal exchange. Brown suddenly reaches behind the counter and grabs boxes of Swisher Sweets, hands them to Dorian and reaches behind the counter and grabs more boxes. When he goes to leave the owner comes from behind the counter and attempts to stop him leaving without paying. Brown shoves him into the chip rack and leaves.

So no, it is not the only video and the second video clearly shows Brown stealing the cigars. Hence, the daughter's call to 911.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I didn't. YOu are the one who keeps jamming these past arguments into threads.

Nice try at deflection. Why did you make a point of bringing up the cigars being in a bag if the point is moot?

Wilson shot a wounded, unarmed, barefoot kid who had his hands up and was trying to surrender, because that kid pissed him off.

Yet you insist on lying about certain details.

I just point out the hypocrisy of those who are suddenly upset about white people getting shot.

How does their hypocrisy compare to your hypocrisy of lying?

I've been consistent that LE shooting unarmed people is always wrong.

Yes, knowingly shooting unarmed people is always wrong. But so is knowingly lying about a shooting.

 

[JoeB131]

There is store surveillance video of both times Brown went to the store and I've seen them.

Yeah, so have I. We just have different interpretations of what they mean.

Here's the key thing. The DA never called those store employees to testify, and he never introduced the first tape as evidence, because in CONTEXT, it blows up their whole "Strong Arm Robbery" case.

In fact, we've never heard the clerks or the owner speak out on what occurred between them and Brown.

Yes, knowingly shooting unarmed people is always wrong. But so is knowingly lying about a shooting.

Then why do you keep lying, you racist sack of shit?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Yeah, so have I. We just have different interpretations of what they mean.

When you say you have "a different interpretation", do you mean Lies and conspiracy theories?

We haven't been arguing over interpretations, we've been arguing what is fact and what is not.

Your fact: The cigars were in a bag. The real fact: They were not.
Your fact: Brown paid for the cigars with dope. The real fact: He did not.
Your fact: No one called the police.
No one at the store called police.
A bystander called police. The real fact: The owner's daughter called the police.
Your fact: Brown was shot for jaywalking. The real fact: He was shot for assaulting an officer and trying to take his gun from him.
Your fact: Brown had his hands up and was surrendering. The real fact: He raised his arms to see where the blood was coming from. When he did, he advanced on Wilson.

You say you saw the videos. If that's true then why do you lie about the facts revealed in them?

Here's the key thing. The DA never called those store employees to testify, and he never introduced the first tape as evidence, because in CONTEXT, it blows up their whole "Strong Arm Robbery" case.

Why does that even matter when the second video clearly shows a strongarm robbery? The first video shows nothing that changes that fact.

In fact, we've never heard the clerks or the owner speak out on what occurred between them and Brown.

Probably because quivering snowflakes like you threatened them. Shots were fired at the store and someone threatened to burn it down.

Then why do you keep lying, you racist sack of shit?

About what?

 

[JoeB131]

When you say you have "a different interpretation", do you mean Lies and conspiracy theories?

We haven't been arguing over interpretations, we've been arguing what is fact and what is not.

Nope, you've been inventing your own facts, or believing whatever lies the poiice said.

Here's the reality-
He shot an unarmed, barefoot, and wounded kid who had his hands up and was trying to surrender.

Full stop.

Which you are fine with because you are a racist.

Full stop.

Why does that even matter when the second video clearly shows a strongarm robbery? The first video shows nothing that changes that fact.

You call it a "Strongarm robbery". I call it a kid who didn't like being called the N-word by Apu. (Which is why the little shit never testified or interviewed.)

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Nope, you've been inventing your own facts, or believing whatever lies the poiice said.

What facts did I invent? Be specific.

Here's the reality-
He shot an unarmed, barefoot, and wounded kid who had his hands up and was trying to surrender. Full stop.

Nope. The "Hands up, don't shoot" thing was bullshit. I know some people said he had his hands up but just as many said he didn't and that he was walking back towards Wilson. Forensic evidence at the scene shows this. Furthermore, forensic evidence proves Brown attacked Wilson in the cruiser. This is a fact you keep ignoring.

The DoJ report shows that at least two or three "witnesses" and their statements were disregarded because it was obvious they weren't actually there. They, like you, were not concerned with facts.

Which you are fine with because you are a racist.

Full stop.

If I agreed with one of your versions (plural) of events then I guess that would make me a racist. But I don't.

Some police shootings are justified and some are not. The ones that are not, the officer gets prosecuted and convicted and I am fine with this. The Brown shooting was not one of these cases.

I went with the evidence. Whereas you went with an anti-police propaganda narrative that required you to either ignore pertinent facts or fabricate them out of whole cloth.

You call it a "Strongarm robbery". I call it a kid who didn't like being called the N-word by Apu. (Which is why the little shit never testified or interviewed.)

Who said Patel called Brown a n****r? Where does that come from? Does this come from sworn testimony or is it just rumor?

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. The "Hands up, don't shoot" thing was bullshit.

16 witnesses said he had his hands up. Most of the rest weren't sure.

Some police shootings are justified and some are not. The ones that are not, the officer gets prosecuted and convicted and I am fine with this. The Brown shooting was not one of these cases.

Shooting an unarmed, barefoot, wounded kid who had his hands up is "Justified". Well, I guess if he's black, it is, in your world.

Who said Patel called Brown a n****r? Where does that come from? Does this come from sworn testimony or is it just rumor?

Well, no one called Apu to testify, so we don't know. They also didn't call his employees, so we don't know that, either.

 

[marvin martian]

16 witnesses said he had his hands up. Most of the rest weren't sure.



Shooting an unarmed, barefoot, wounded kid who had his hands up is "Justified". Well, I guess if he's black, it is, in your world.



Well, no one called Apu to testify, so we don't know. They also didn't call his employees, so we don't know that, either.

^^^Keep in mind, JoeB131 also believes Charlie Kirk's assassination and Trump's attempted assassination were faked.

 

[JoeB131]

^^^Keep in mind, JoeB131 also believes Charlie Kirk's assassination and Trump's attempted assassination were faked.

when did I say Kirk's assassination was faked? He's clearly dead, so it wasn't faked.

I do believe that Trump's assassination was a false flag. Come on, he gets shot at by a Right Wing gun nut, and all he gets is an owie on his ear that didn't leave a scar?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

16 witnesses said he had his hands up. Most of the rest weren't sure.

No. Reliable witnesses said he raised his hands about waist high, looked at them and the blood, then started charging at Wilson.

Shooting an unarmed, barefoot, wounded kid who had his hands up is "Justified". Well, I guess if he's black, it is, in your world.

No. Reliable witnesses said he raised his hands about waist high, looked at them and the blood, then started charging at Wilson. He had already attacked Wilson in the cruiser. If he hadn't done that, he might still be alive.

Judging by Brown's behavior that day, something was going on with him. I don't believe he had a criminal record and from what I've read, his behavior that day was not typical of him.

Well, no one called Apu to testify, so we don't know. They also didn't call his employees, so we don't know that, either.

So it was just a rumor then. You just arbitrarily decided to declare a rumor as fact while at the same time saying no one knows? No one knows if it's true but you accuse Patel of calling Brown a n****r anyway? On what basis?

You accused me of inventing lies. What lies did I invent? Or is it like you did with Patel, err on the side of whatever makes your opponent, Wilson or Patel a racist?

 

[JoeB131]

No. Reliable witnesses said he raised his hands about waist high, looked at them and the blood, then started charging at Wilson.

Oh, "reliable witnesses"? Sure.

Judging by Brown's behavior that day, something was going on with him. I don't believe he had a criminal record and from what I've read, his behavior that day was not typical of him.

Exactly my point. This was out of character for him.

As opposed to the Ferguson PD< which had a long history of abusing it's black citizens.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Oh, "reliable witnesses"? Sure.

Yes, reliable witnesses.

The DoJ report lists those who came forward and made statements about what they saw or claimed they saw. Most gave two or three statements - at the scene, to the FBI (during a neighborhood canvass a week later) and for the grand jury.

The reliable witnesses were those who gave statements that were consistent with their prior statements and with forensic evidence. The not so reliable witnesses gave conflicting statements and statements that contradicted forensic evidence, such as Wilson standing over Brown and shooting him in the back on the ground.

It should be noted that a number of witnesses, although having given initial statements at the scene corroborating Wilson's account, refused to appear before the grand jury when subpoenaed out of fear of backlash from the neighborhood where the general consensus was that the shooting was unjustified.

The rumors going around the neighborhood were wildly inconsistent with forensic evidence, outlandish and self contradictory.

Exactly my point. This was out of character for him.

We agree on that much but the difference is, I know he stole the cigars, body-checked the store owner, assaulted Wilson, fought with Wilson for control of the gun and advanced on him after being told to stop. Thus, according to the law and established police procedure, the shooting was justified.

Whereas you just keep lying about it.

As opposed to the Ferguson PD< which had a long history of abusing it's black citizens.

This may or may not be the case but it doesn't prove anything one way or the other regarding the shooting.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, reliable witnesses.

The DoJ report

The DoJ report was a whitewash, and can't be taken seriously.

It should be noted that a number of witnesses, although having given initial statements at the scene corroborating Wilson's account, refused to appear before the grand jury when subpoenaed out of fear of backlash from the neighborhood where the general consensus was that the shooting was unjustified.

Um, yeah, about that. The grand jury did hear from the racist woman with a history of mental problems who claimed she saw the shooting. This is your example of "Reliable witnesses".

We agree on that much but the difference is, I know he stole the cigars, body-checked the store owner, assaulted Wilson, fought with Wilson for control of the gun and advanced on him after being told to stop. Thus, according to the law and established police procedure, the shooting was justified.

Nope. Once he disengaged, stopped, and put his hands up, the shooting wasn't justified.