Blount Co. (TN) Commission To Ask God Not To Murder Them Over SSM

[nuhuh]

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But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

Excuse me for perhaps being a bit trite. But to keep on sinning is the whole reason for Jesus is it not?

And contrite you are. No its not.

Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Phew it made some sense. Yay. I've been so sick and on the mighty Q I'm thinking maybe I should just stick to a snow shovelling forum.

I think too and I think this is important Mertex. I have read the Word so many times. Both OT and NT and I'm telling you the shit in the OT will set your hair on fire But most Christians haven't read the Bible.

They are only getting it from the nice man during a Sunday sermon. A man who is just another human talking about three versus for their flock. Boy I hope this makes sense.

Basically what I am saying is we are dealing with spiritual illiterates. Trying not to be harsh here but still laying it on the line.

I appreciate the honesty, but the problem is that these well intentioned people are serious that religion should dominate us and are becoming more militant as time goes on. The rest of us understand the reasons why the founders set the religious parameters in the constitution, but these folks are just as intent to rewrite our constitutional laws because religion says so.

 

[tinydancer]

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

Uhm, interesting.

How is your intellect different than "theirs"?

I've read. It's really that simple. So many of faith and I'm trying not to be insulting here but they can't read. They don't know how to read.

So if you are a Catholic and I have been one you had a priest who would drone on in Latin not having a clue but loving your faith or say you are a simple man in the mountains of Afghanistan you just believe what your Imam is telling you without being able to read the Koran.

So many just simply cannot read.

 

[RodISHI]

The Pilgrims were some of the most intolerant people ever to occupy the shores of America. In fact, they routinely exiled people from the colony for violating the rules of their faith, when such exile meant almost certain death, living outside the colony, at the mercy of native-Americans.

And so. It was their faith that established the original government.

Nobody said everyone from Tenn. is an idiot or a hick. And....there are lots of highly intelligent people who have a belief in a god. It's not an indication that one is stupid......it is an indication that one can be indoctrinated from an early age.

If that's your thing.....have at it. But let's not try to be in charge. That requires reason.

Those are elected positions so it looks like they are already in charge at the peoples request.

No, not at all. We have built our government to have boundaries, Every single one of us is free to practice our own religion, you can practice what you believe and I can do the same. Neither allows infringement upon the laws that bind us together. The people in Tennessee seek to usurp that if I read it correctly and that is patently wrong.

So what is your contention? The people cannot vote leaders in that make a petition to God? How is it that they violated you this time?

They violated the 1st Amendment with what they passed in the OP. It was an unambiguous government endorsement of religion which has been unconstitutional since the BoR was ratified.

Their beliefs and intentions are their own but as duly elected officials who swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution what they did was a violation and a de facto admission that they are unfit to hold office IMO.

You are entitle to your opinion and the people that voted them into office are entitled to theirs. Making a public prayer is not religion specific.

 

[RodISHI]

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I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

Excuse me for perhaps being a bit trite. But to keep on sinning is the whole reason for Jesus is it not?

And contrite you are. No its not.

Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Phew it made some sense. Yay. I've been so sick and on the mighty Q I'm thinking maybe I should just stick to a snow shovelling forum.

I think too and I think this is important Mertex. I have read the Word so many times. Both OT and NT and I'm telling you the shit in the OT will set your hair on fire But most Christians haven't read the Bible.

They are only getting it from the nice man during a Sunday sermon. A man who is just another human talking about three versus for their flock. Boy I hope this makes sense.

Basically what I am saying is we are dealing with spiritual illiterates. Trying not to be harsh here but still laying it on the line.

I appreciate the honesty, but the problem is that these well intentioned people are serious that religion should dominate us and are becoming more militant as time goes on. The rest of us understand the reasons why the founders set the religious parameters in the constitution, but these folks are just as intent to rewrite our constitutional laws because religion says so.

Just as much as activist judges are willing to write legislation when in fact that is the job of congress not judges.

 

[tinydancer]

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Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

Excuse me for perhaps being a bit trite. But to keep on sinning is the whole reason for Jesus is it not?

No that's being Catholic.



Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeding!

 

[Statistikhengst]

The Pilgrims were some of the most intolerant people ever to occupy the shores of America. In fact, they routinely exiled people from the colony for violating the rules of their faith, when such exile meant almost certain death, living outside the colony, at the mercy of native-Americans.

And so. It was their faith that established the original government.

Nobody said everyone from Tenn. is an idiot or a hick. And....there are lots of highly intelligent people who have a belief in a god. It's not an indication that one is stupid......it is an indication that one can be indoctrinated from an early age.

If that's your thing.....have at it. But let's not try to be in charge. That requires reason.

Those are elected positions so it looks like they are already in charge at the peoples request.

No, not at all. We have built our government to have boundaries, Every single one of us is free to practice our own religion, you can practice what you believe and I can do the same. Neither allows infringement upon the laws that bind us together. The people in Tennessee seek to usurp that if I read it correctly and that is patently wrong.

So what is your contention? The people cannot vote leaders in that make a petition to God? How is it that they violated you this time?

They violated the 1st Amendment with what they passed in the OP. It was an unambiguous government endorsement of religion which has been unconstitutional since the BoR was ratified.

Their beliefs and intentions are their own but as duly elected officials who swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution what they did was a violation and a de facto admission that they are unfit to hold office IMO.

It's not passed yet. It will be discussed on Monday.

But the fact that something this ridiculous gets this far is in and of itself quite sad, I think....

 

[Statistikhengst]

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

Uhm, interesting.

How is your intellect different than "theirs"?

I've read. It's really that simple. So many of faith and I'm trying not to be insulting here but they can't read. They don't know how to read.

So if you are a Catholic and I have been one you had a priest who would drone on in Latin not having a clue but loving your faith or say you are a simple man in the mountains of Afghanistan you just believe what your Imam is telling you without being able to read the Koran.

So many just simply cannot read.

Ahhh, understood.

That is, of course, possible, I suppose.

 

[Mertex]

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Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

So, how does someone else being homsexual keeps you sinning?

 

[tinydancer]

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

Uhm, interesting.

How is your intellect different than "theirs"?

I've read. It's really that simple. So many of faith and I'm trying not to be insulting here but they can't read. They don't know how to read.

So if you are a Catholic and I have been one you had a priest who would drone on in Latin not having a clue but loving your faith or say you are a simple man in the mountains of Afghanistan you just believe what your Imam is telling you without being able to read the Koran.

So many just simply cannot read.

Ahhh, understood.

That is, of course, possible, I suppose.

I personally believe and I don't want to get off topic here too far is that the reason most don't understand the spirituality that these souls only listen to one guy on a Sunday morning.

I have explored and rejected so many religions. Faith is still there. It is very different.

These people truly believe in their hearts what they are doing is right. But they haven't read the book.

 

[Mertex]

They are only getting it from the nice man during a Sunday sermon. A man who is just another human talking about three versus for their flock. Boy I hope this makes sense.

Basically what I am saying is we are dealing with spiritual illiterates. Trying not to be harsh here but still laying it on the line.

That's for sure. And that was predicted too........there will be people who form their own opinion about what constitutes sin and they lead others astray. And true, they are spiritual illeterates, but it isn't rocket science. How in the hell do they get so far from the truth? They want to be seen as so "holy" by their persecution of others who they think are committing sins, and get so wrapped up in their holiness, that they actually become more like Satan in the process....and that is certainly not the way that Jesus taught his disciples to win others to Him.

 

[jillian]

Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

faith shouldn't make someone a bigot. bigots deserved to be mocked. not for their faith. but for pretending their faith justifies their bigotry.

i guess jesus never said "judge not", eh?

 

[Mertex]

So what is your contention? The people cannot vote leaders in that make a petition to God? How is it that they violated you this time?

Do you understand that we have separation of church and state for a reason? The mere attempt to include religion into a political process is against the laws established by the Constitution.

So you think by making a prayer as a public leader is a church?

I don't think so but you can push that agenda if you like. I do think it may backfire on itself very hard though.

I'm not so much troubled by the fact that they include a request to God in their agenda, my concern is the subject of their request. For Christians, God is supposed to be in control of everything that is going on in the world.....I'm sure that God is aware that they (the Board of Commissioners) do not tolerate ssm......but for the entire board of commissioners of a county to think that God is going to punish their county over a law that was passed by the "government" is bat-shit crazy.

What's ridiculous is the notion that for elected officials to obey the Constitution and the Supreme Court somehow means they're 'violating' their 'god's' law – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

That they might perceive this to be the case does not 'validate' their perception; where it's incumbent upon elected officials to at least have a rudimentary understanding of the Constitution, the law, and public policy and governance to indeed govern in a responsible manner consistent with the rule of law.

Which leads us to one of two conclusions:

These elected officials are woefully ignorant of rudimentary principles of the Constitution, the law, and public policy and governance (perhaps willfully); or,

These elected officials are fully aware of the law, that rulings of Federal courts are perfectly just and Constitutional, and that obeying the Constitution and Supreme Court in no way 'violates' their religious liberty or tenets of their faith – that they are in fact pursuing these 'petitions' in bad faith in an effort to realize some perceived political advantage.

I want to make it clear that this does not mean that the entire council supports this. One person has formulated it and it will be discussed on Monday.

The fact that it is on the agenda makes one wonder, though.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

faith shouldn't make someone a bigot. bigots deserved to be mocked. not for their faith. but for pretending their faith justifies their bigotry.

i guess jesus never said "judge not", eh?

BINGO.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Do you understand that we have separation of church and state for a reason? The mere attempt to include religion into a political process is against the laws established by the Constitution.

So you think by making a prayer as a public leader is a church?

I don't think so but you can push that agenda if you like. I do think it may backfire on itself very hard though.

I'm not so much troubled by the fact that they include a request to God in their agenda, my concern is the subject of their request. For Christians, God is supposed to be in control of everything that is going on in the world.....I'm sure that God is aware that they (the Board of Commissioners) do not tolerate ssm......but for the entire board of commissioners of a county to think that God is going to punish their county over a law that was passed by the "government" is bat-shit crazy.

What's ridiculous is the notion that for elected officials to obey the Constitution and the Supreme Court somehow means they're 'violating' their 'god's' law – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

That they might perceive this to be the case does not 'validate' their perception; where it's incumbent upon elected officials to at least have a rudimentary understanding of the Constitution, the law, and public policy and governance to indeed govern in a responsible manner consistent with the rule of law.

Which leads us to one of two conclusions:

These elected officials are woefully ignorant of rudimentary principles of the Constitution, the law, and public policy and governance (perhaps willfully); or,

These elected officials are fully aware of the law, that rulings of Federal courts are perfectly just and Constitutional, and that obeying the Constitution and Supreme Court in no way 'violates' their religious liberty or tenets of their faith – that they are in fact pursuing these 'petitions' in bad faith in an effort to realize some perceived political advantage.

I want to make it clear that this does not mean that the entire council supports this. One person has formulated it and it will be discussed on Monday.

The fact that it is on the agenda makes one wonder, though.

Oh, surely others are in on it, too. And I read some online publications where she and another commissioner spearheaded the tea party movement to pretty much kill any tax they could. So, yeah, there is a heavy partisan component to this....

 

[Preacher]

Impressive. One thread for every white hating,southern hating ASSHOLE to congregate at!

Obviously you've posted in the wrong thread, as nothing could be further from the truth.

No its the obvious truth.

 

[jillian]

Impressive. One thread for every white hating,southern hating ASSHOLE to congregate at!

poor loony toon.

try reading again... this time with comprehension.

 

[Mertex]

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I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

Excuse me for perhaps being a bit trite. But to keep on sinning is the whole reason for Jesus is it not?

And contrite you are. No its not.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Phew it made some sense. Yay. I've been so sick and on the mighty Q I'm thinking maybe I should just stick to a snow shovelling forum.

I think too and I think this is important Mertex. I have read the Word so many times. Both OT and NT and I'm telling you the shit in the OT will set your hair on fire But most Christians haven't read the Bible.

They are only getting it from the nice man during a Sunday sermon. A man who is just another human talking about three versus for their flock. Boy I hope this makes sense.

Basically what I am saying is we are dealing with spiritual illiterates. Trying not to be harsh here but still laying it on the line.

I appreciate the honesty, but the problem is that these well intentioned people are serious that religion should dominate us and are becoming more militant as time goes on. The rest of us understand the reasons why the founders set the religious parameters in the constitution, but these folks are just as intent to rewrite our constitutional laws because religion says so.

Just as much as activist judges are willing to write legislation when in fact that is the job of congress not judges.

Maybe you need to revisit the job of the Supreme Court.


The decisions the Supreme Court hands down on these cases set precedents for the interpretation of the Constitution and federal laws, precedents that all other courts, both state and federal, must follow.
Inside the Federal Courts

 

[tinydancer]

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Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

So, how does someone else being homsexual keeps you sinning?

Mertex you are so close. So bloody close.

At first I was brain crunching the whole argument that if you made a cake for gay couple you were participating in the sin of homosexuality. And by the way this was so hard for me because I've known so many who just wanted to be married. The recognition of their love. I have known more that have stayed together more years than I have in a hetero relationship at one point in time.

But then it hit me. Smacked me upside the head and I couldn't believe I hadn't gotten it before.

If you can't make a cake for a gay couple because of sin let's run it all down the line from the Ten Commandments.

It means you can't make a cake for anyone can you? You should just get out of the baking business altogether.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Having lived in Hickman County I can attest to the fact that people are fiercely and I mean fiercely people of faith in certain counties.

But without mocking them. You really do have to understand that they are people who aren't trying to be mean or horrible. It's just a matter of their faith.

That defense doesn't work.

 

[jillian]

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I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Jesus came to free the people from the bondage death of living in their own sin. He at no time said keep on sinning.

Excuse me for perhaps being a bit trite. But to keep on sinning is the whole reason for Jesus is it not?

And contrite you are. No its not.

But what kind of faith are they practicing?

Jesus commanded everyone to obey the government.....regardless of whether the government is right or wrong, a Christian obeys. That doesn't mean that any of them have to tolerate homosexuality or participate in it, unless they have a job that caters to the public, like Kim Davis' job, then you have to do what is required, but it doesn't make you a participant. I think many Christians are befuddled about what is expected of them....or maybe they are succumbing to the political pressure put on them by leaders that obviously don't know Christianity either.

I understand the Word very well and embrace it. But I've also been worldly. But we are dealing with individuals in my humble opinion here who are only simple.

Boy how do I put this nicely. MMMMMMMMMMMM. I'm really sick so I'm not on my game here. These are really really simple folks. And except for a few this has nothing to do with meaness. Or being cruel. Or wanting deny some body else their rights.

As a born again this is a spiritual struggle. I've known and worked with the sweetest souls from the LGBT community in my days in the entertainment industry. So many far sweeter than those who profess their so called faith.

But Mertex we are not dealing with people like us and I don't want to try to make us come off as superior. Let's just say our intellect is different than theirs. Boy I hope that makes sense.

I see what you are saying. It is sad, though, that so many people have gotten confused about their responsibility as being a Christian. Back in Jesus' day, the Pharisees imposed additions to the laws that the Christians were already following as Jews till it became unbearable for the believers. Jesus came to free believers of all that bondage, and yet so many Christians today want to be under bondage and take it upon themselves to own the sins of others.

Phew it made some sense. Yay. I've been so sick and on the mighty Q I'm thinking maybe I should just stick to a snow shovelling forum.

I think too and I think this is important Mertex. I have read the Word so many times. Both OT and NT and I'm telling you the shit in the OT will set your hair on fire But most Christians haven't read the Bible.

They are only getting it from the nice man during a Sunday sermon. A man who is just another human talking about three versus for their flock. Boy I hope this makes sense.

Basically what I am saying is we are dealing with spiritual illiterates. Trying not to be harsh here but still laying it on the line.

I appreciate the honesty, but the problem is that these well intentioned people are serious that religion should dominate us and are becoming more militant as time goes on. The rest of us understand the reasons why the founders set the religious parameters in the constitution, but these folks are just as intent to rewrite our constitutional laws because religion says so.

Just as much as activist judges are willing to write legislation when in fact that is the job of congress not judges.

activists are the judges who upturned hundreds of years of precedent to say that the 2nd amendment protects a private right of ownership

activists are the judges who misinterpreted the employment discrimination laws to misrepresent the statute of limitations

activists are the judges who upturned all of our election laws and then said "oh yeah, this case has no value as precedent but can only be used to install a particular person into office this time only"

activist are the judges who decided that corporations are people.

that said, our country has a judicial system that determines what is constitutional and reviews congress' actions. that is how our government is set up.

and p.s. rightwingnut judges have disallowed legislation more than so-called liberal judges and are the real activists.

Conservative Judicial Activists Run Amok

you're welcome.