Bloomberg Suggests We Need To Ration Care, Shouldn’t Give Treatment For Fatal Disease To Older Folks

[JustAnotherNut]

my red state determines who will get pain pills.

blue states as well...…...has to do with the opioid crisis and most facilities have signs saying they do NOT provide such certain meds

Yea, I know. I think most states are regulating to the point docs are scared of being thrown in jail. I know someone who died 9 years ago from lung cancer and kidney failure, she had no chance but yet the docs were afraid she would get addicted to pain meds that would have at least made her comfortable.

That part I don't understand. Atleast here, they will prescribe for terminal patients...….just not if you break your leg or similar

 

[Polishprince]

my red state determines who will get pain pills.

blue states as well...…...has to do with the opioid crisis and most facilities have signs saying they do NOT provide such certain meds

Yea, I know. I think most states are regulating to the point docs are scared of being thrown in jail. I know someone who died 9 years ago from lung cancer and kidney failure, she had no chance but yet the docs were afraid she would get addicted to pain meds that would have at least made her comfortable.

That part I don't understand. Atleast here, they will prescribe for terminal patients...….just not if you break your leg or similar

Here, they gave me Dilaudid when I broke my arm a few years back

 

[toomuchtime_]

my red state determines who will get pain pills.

blue states as well...…...has to do with the opioid crisis and most facilities have signs saying they do NOT provide such certain meds

Yea, I know. I think most states are regulating to the point docs are scared of being thrown in jail. I know someone who died 9 years ago from lung cancer and kidney failure, she had no chance but yet the docs were afraid she would get addicted to pain meds that would have at least made her comfortable.

Crazy stuff. If people do become addicted to opioids prescribed by doctors for legitimate purposes, why not allow their doctors to continue prescribing the drugs so that they can function normally? I have read that the Civil War created 50,000 drug addicts among the wounded but since there were no laws prohibiting it, these addicts continued to get the drugs they needed from their doctors and were able to live normal lives.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

my red state determines who will get pain pills.

blue states as well...…...has to do with the opioid crisis and most facilities have signs saying they do NOT provide such certain meds

Yea, I know. I think most states are regulating to the point docs are scared of being thrown in jail. I know someone who died 9 years ago from lung cancer and kidney failure, she had no chance but yet the docs were afraid she would get addicted to pain meds that would have at least made her comfortable.

That part I don't understand. Atleast here, they will prescribe for terminal patients...….just not if you break your leg or similar

Here, they gave me Dilaudid when I broke my arm a few years back

Honestly I'm not 100% sure of my previous statement regarding that limitation, though I do know Dr's are hesitant prescribing such drugs under certain circumstances and those signs are posted everywhere. My husband was given pretty much anything he wanted including Dilaudid, Morphine & Oxy thru his battle with cancer. I had been prescribed the more watered down versions for sciatica & back pain....which didn't help it.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Government health care leaves treatment between the patient and his/her doctor.

Imagine the ignorance of starting a sentence with “Government healthcare” and ending it with “leaves treatment between the patient and their doctor”.

Um...it’s government “healthcare”. Which means treatment is controlled by the government. Which is what the left wants. They love a fascist totalitarian state where the government controls everything.

One thing libs NEVER address in their quest for Government Controlled healthcare is the question of quality as well as choice.

Who will be treated by high quality doctors? Who will be treated by the less competent?

How about choice? In the practice of medicine, there are often different ways to deal with medical problems. How would libs determine which back pain patients will get surgery, which will get chiropractic, which will get scrips for oxycontin? All valid treatments, but with different price points.

Government funded healthcare pays for the healthcare. They don't determine who gets what treatments or which doctors. That's what private insurance does. They have "networks" and all kind of treatment limiting tricks and traps and ways to deny you coverage and treatment.

Who gets the best doctors and treatments - anyone who wants them. That's because the doctor gets the same amount of money for treating a billionaire, as they get for treating a welfare mom. There are no copayments and no extra billings. Doctors decide how many patients they see. Rich people cannot slip the doctor a little extra and jump the line.

There are extras you can pay for - a semi-private or private room. Home care and nursing. One of my friends hired a team of round the clock private nurses to care for her dying father, when he was in late stages Alzheimer. He had been an oil company President. The wealthy will always have access to better care. They're generally better educated and can advocate for their own care. The poor are less likely to question what they're told or seek second opinions, look for alternative treatments, and have less resources to for appliances or aides in their recovery.

John Oliver has a brilliant explanation as to why single payer is oh so much better and cheaper than what you have now. And why you might like single payer even more than the Canadians and the British do.

That's why rich people from other countries go to the USA. They can buy faster service and experimental treatments. And also because the USA is the only country in the world which allows hospitals to sell their services to foreigners. Americans brag that nobody goes to Canada for treatment. They can't. We won't let them. Our taxes pay for our hospitals and our taxes paid for the doctors' education. As long as there are Canadians waiting for treatment, our hospitals are not allowed to sell their services to foreigners.

In a single payer system, your doctor doesn't consult with the insurance company or the government about your treatment, they consult with you. You and your doctor decide your treatment. Not the government and not your insurance company.

Wow
You sure don't know much about healthcare.

 

[Jitss617]

This man is insane! All dems are socialist!

 

[Flash]

For as long as we have had health insurance companies, we've had death panels.

It is you option to buy insurance, or not. It is your option to buy whatever coverage you need and can afford.

If the filthy ass government controls your health care then it will be an asshole bureaucrat, that doesn't give a shit about you, and whose boss is a corrupt politician, elected by special interest groups, that will be making the decisions for you.

Do you understand the difference?

 

[bullwinkle]

In Sanders' Medicare for All plan, he proposes cutting payments to providers by 40%. On the other hand, Bloomberg proposes letting people die to save money.

I fear Sanders' Medicare for All actually means Medicare for None if he can't come up with a better payment plan than impoverishing the rich.
However, the Bloomberg plan touted by Republicans to let the elderly die is typical cult hogwash!

 

[toomuchtime_]

In Sanders' Medicare for All plan, he proposes cutting payments to providers by 40%. On the other hand, Bloomberg proposes letting people die to save money.

I fear Sanders' Medicare for All actually means Medicare for None if he can't come up with a better payment plan than impoverishing the rich.
However, the Bloomberg plan touted by Republicans to let the elderly die is typical cult hogwash!

The Meturgeman on Twitter

Clearly not hogwash.

 

[P@triot]

In a single payer system, your doctor doesn't consult with the insurance company or the government about your treatment, they consult with you. You and your doctor decide your treatment. Not the government and not your insurance company.

In a single-payer system, the government sets the price for my doctor and he has absolutely no options. The government also tells my doctor when I’m no longer worth spending money on. Death panels are 100% real in every government-run healthcare system.

All of which causes my doctor to leave healthcare and go into arbitrage where he can make money. And I get stuck with liberal tree-hugging “holistic” voodoo witch doctors.

Thanks, but no thanks sweetie. There’s a reason why Canadian healthcare blows and the U.S. is the ultimate healthcare super power.

 

[JoeB131]

As anyone with any sense should be, but you guys aren't quite bright enough to understand and extremely gullible.

Again, you guys are the ones who put the Orange Nazi in charge, who reminds us he's unfit for office every day.

Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Trump has been good for the rich and not the rest of us.

 

[SweetTea]

As anyone with any sense should be, but you guys aren't quite bright enough to understand and extremely gullible.

Again, you guys are the ones who put the Orange Nazi in charge, who reminds us he's unfit for office every day.

Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Trump has been good for the rich and not the rest of us.

Keep saying that, but the facts don't like. If you tell a lie often enough though, the masses start believing it. I have to believe that is the goal here. Just like they can keep telling people how good and fair Socialism is and eventually the dumbed down electorate actually starts to buy it.

Trump has been far, far better for the average American than the previous 2 presidents.

 

[JoeB131]

Keep saying that, but the facts don't like. If you tell a lie often enough though, the masses start believing it. I have to believe that is the goal here. Just like they can keep telling people how good and fair Socialism is and eventually the dumbed down electorate actually starts to buy it.

Trump has been far, far better for the average American than the previous 2 presidents.

Actually, Trump has been kind of irrelevant... I did far better under Obama than I am doing under Trump.

The fact that 49% WOULD VOTE for the socialist right now should tell you that you have a real problem.

Imagine what it's going to be like AFTER the next recession.

 

[Dale Smith]

Keep saying that, but the facts don't like. If you tell a lie often enough though, the masses start believing it. I have to believe that is the goal here. Just like they can keep telling people how good and fair Socialism is and eventually the dumbed down electorate actually starts to buy it.

Trump has been far, far better for the average American than the previous 2 presidents.

Actually, Trump has been kind of irrelevant... I did far better under Obama than I am doing under Trump.

The fact that 49% WOULD VOTE for the socialist right now should tell you that you have a real problem.

Imagine what it's going to be like AFTER the next recession.

Because you update resumes for morons that have no writing skills. Given the number of jobs out there, your skills for embellishing are not in high demand. Parasites like you only thrive under bad economic conditions where it's an employer's market.

Hope this helps!

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

I personally go back and forth of healthcare. On one hand there has to be a better way to not make medical expenses for necessary medical care be such a financial burden for people. A necessary surgery for example should not, in my opinion, put a family in significant debt even with insurance covering a percentage of the cost, and then if you don’t have insurance a simple surgery could be life altering financially for you. Factor in premiums and any other out of pocket costs along with the total costs and a health concern easily becomes a major financial concern as well. The down side is that if it becomes wholly government funded then taxes would go up, cuts in budgets for hospitals could easily happen, the logistics of transferring people into the new system would be a nightmare, if you don’t like the coverage you have no other options, and so on and so on.

I personally think giving people more options across state lines so that insurance companies would have to compete more for your business would help but there are millions of Americans that legitimately can’t afford insurance or medical care in general and in that case you can see how a government funded system for those people makes sense. It’s frustrating because there doesn’t seem to be a great system in my opinion.

 

[SweetTea]

Actually, Trump has been kind of irrelevant... I did far better under Obama than I am doing under Trump.

According to the statistics, you are the exception, but then again, didn't you say do much better in a bad economy? If so, that explains quite a bit.

 

[BS Filter]

That's an easy call for Bloomy. He can pay cash for anything and everything.

 

[BS Filter]

Keep saying that, but the facts don't like. If you tell a lie often enough though, the masses start believing it. I have to believe that is the goal here. Just like they can keep telling people how good and fair Socialism is and eventually the dumbed down electorate actually starts to buy it.

Trump has been far, far better for the average American than the previous 2 presidents.

Actually, Trump has been kind of irrelevant... I did far better under Obama than I am doing under Trump.

The fact that 49% WOULD VOTE for the socialist right now should tell you that you have a real problem.

Imagine what it's going to be like AFTER the next recession.

Are you a repo guy?

 

[LaDairis]

One thing about the Jew Supremacist 911 Traitors.... they do seem to understand the planet is overpopulated.....

they just have rather "novel" plans and false flag attacks to "remedy" the situation.....

 

[waltky]

Polishprince wrote: When the aids fad started in the 1980's, it was usually a pretty rapid death. But now, it looks like American ingenuity under Donald J Trump may relegated the ailment to long term health problem that usually doesn't kill.

And when it doesn't kill...

... it becomes another...

... long term moneymaker!