Big Tax Increase coming soon.....we told ya so.

[jbander]

JFK recognized the dangers of overtaxing businesses and individuals and the negative impact that could have on the economy. So, economically speaking, how was JFK more liberal than Biden?

Well, to start with, he didn't really cut spending.

He instituted a space program, ran up social programs, and escalated a war in Vietnam. He wasn't a conservative in any way, shape or form.

Well, he was killed by a leftist commie before his proposal could become law, but it did in 1964, and yes spending was cut.

Quickly though, that went out the window when Johnson escalated the war, bigly, and then undid all the work done by JFK, bpth in Civil Rights, and economically, but creating his "War on Poverty" - that simply created mass poverty, mass spending, and mass dependence. on Govt...

You are full of crap as usual, he introduce massive amount of spending with the tax cut and the good numbers comes way more from the increased spending then the tax cuts, why even open your mouth when you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Actually there was a spending cut in the 64 Tax Revenue law.....actually a decrease of over $100 billion in the Federal Budget....which was a lot of money back then.

YOu really don't know what you are talking about.

How did this happen then, gee golly gee what happened on this chart in 1960

JFK INCREASED SPENDING MASSIVELY< I ASSUME DING DONG HERE IS JUST LYING AS USUAL< OR AT BEST HALF THE TRUTH> one more thing the rate of increase was the fastest increase of spending in history other then spending on WW2

 

[jbander]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

 

[struth]

JFK recognized the dangers of overtaxing businesses and individuals and the negative impact that could have on the economy. So, economically speaking, how was JFK more liberal than Biden?

Well, to start with, he didn't really cut spending.

He instituted a space program, ran up social programs, and escalated a war in Vietnam. He wasn't a conservative in any way, shape or form.

Well, he was killed by a leftist commie before his proposal could become law, but it did in 1964, and yes spending was cut.

Quickly though, that went out the window when Johnson escalated the war, bigly, and then undid all the work done by JFK, bpth in Civil Rights, and economically, but creating his "War on Poverty" - that simply created mass poverty, mass spending, and mass dependence. on Govt...

You are full of crap as usual, he introduce massive amount of spending with the tax cut and the good numbers comes way more from the increased spending then the tax cuts, why even open your mouth when you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Actually there was a spending cut in the 64 Tax Revenue law.....actually a decrease of over $100 billion in the Federal Budget....which was a lot of money back then.

YOu really don't know what you are talking about.

How did this happen then, gee golly gee what happened on this chart in 1960
View attachment 469219 JFK INCREASED SPENDING MASSIVELY< I ASSUME DING DONG HERE IS JUST LYING AS USUAL< OR AT BEST HALF THE TRUTH> one more thing the rate of increase was the fastest increase of spending in history other then spending on WW2

LBJ and the Great Society.....different pieces of legislation my uninformed friend

The legisation we were discussing was his tax cut bill, that massively cut taxes, and also cut spending....Johnson had to sign it in 64 because Kennedy you know, was killed by a leftist in Nov of 63

 

[jbander]

Great. It's about time we starting paying for things. You all that think everything should be free are going to have to stop your leeching.

In principle, I agree with you. However, if they are going to raise taxes they need to raise them on everyone across the board everyone is responsible for our massive spending and debt and not engage in class warfare based on envy, jealousy, and greed.

Nonsense, since the trickle down lie was implemented, every new dime of new wealth has gone to the top (thats trillions of dollars), thats been for 45 years . so its time to turn that around totally for the next 45 years and give the golden few nothing of the new wealth of our country and everyone else gets it instead. Garbage to the idea that it should be spread out.

 

[BULLDOG]

Great. It's about time we starting paying for things. You all that think everything should be free are going to have to stop your leeching.

In principle, I agree with you. However, if they are going to raise taxes they need to raise them on everyone across the board everyone is responsible for our massive spending and debt and not engage in class warfare based on envy, jealousy, and greed.

They didn't lower them equally on everyone across the board before, so think of this as correcting that mistake to make things more fair. You believe in the burden being shared by all, don't you?

 

[BULLDOG]

All those idiots who thought everything was free....now gonna see somebody always gotta pay for the free stuff.

Biden Plans First Major Federal Tax Hike Since 1993

President Joe Biden is planning the first major federal tax hike since 1993 to help pay for the long-term economic program designed as a follow-up to his pandemic-relief bill, according to people familiar with the matter.Unlike the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus act, the...

www.newsmax.com

The working class have been paying for the tax give aways to the rich for 40 years. Currently to the tune of $20 Trillion.

The same people who have been paying for the freebies in subsidies to fossil fuel, petro chemical, pharmaceutical, defense contractor, and insurance companies.

The same people that have been paying to bail out the banks, air lines, and Donald Trumps bankruptcies.

You're right. You're getting to see what' it's like to have to give up on those freebies.

That money belongs to the people. The people that actually work for a living in this country, which is the only reason those worthless fucks exist, and we want our money back.

And we're going to get it.

bullshit--the rich pay MORE than their fair share

So why are they the only ones to get much richer with each tax cut?

Because they pay most of the taxes.
How the fuck is a person who pays ZERO taxes suppose to pay less taxes???

They should pay most of the taxes. They get the vast majority of the benefits of our taxes.

They pay the vast majority of taxes - so DUH! they get most of the benefits.
You understand Math Matters right?
If you want to complain about wealth concentration, companies getting too big etc. - I am there also.
But math is math.

Got it. Some are just more equal than others, right?

Exactly. You think people who already pay no income tax should get more of a tax break. Yuo realize that doesn't make sense right?

I believe those at the top have too many tax breaks.
Those at the extreme lower end of the wealth gap can't afford the things that they need, much less pay to help others. If those at the top of the gap were paying their fair share, the gap wouldn't be expanding so quickly. A level playing field isn't too much to ask for.

I paid over 60k in federal taxes last year. What tax breaks did I get? Cause every tax break I looked at I didn't qualify for because I made too much money.

Were you in that group at Mar-a-lago when trump told them he had just made them all a lot richer?

Nope. What does that have to do with what I wrote or your claim that those at the top have too many tax breaks. I'm in the top 5% and I'm not getting any tax breaks. Would you like to tax me more?

I highly doubt you are in that group, but what-the-hell. This is the anonymous internet. You can be a fairy princess if you want to. Those in the group you mention got the greatest rate change in Trump's tax cut. Even higher than the top 1%. whose tax cut was about $50,000. 77 times the cut for the entire bottom 80%. Biden's plan to increase tax rates for those above $400,000, which won't even effect the group you mentioned is smart and fair, and about time.

Before I retired I worked as an engineer in the oil and gas industry for 36 years. My base was 260, bonus put me up to 310 and contributions to pension and 401k match put me up to 370 and company paid non-taxable benefits put me up to 400. So yeah, I was. I also got a 400k severance package when I retired and walked with a pension of 2 million in addition to my 401k. My tax bill ran about 60k a year.

People like you are parasites.

That's nice, but what I really want to know is how much fun is it being a Disney princess? Do you all get together and do each other's hair and makeup? Do you have pillow fights??

 

[Blues Man]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

What your limited 2 dimensional thinking isn't showing you is that I am not a republican.

And like I said 3 of the 5 largest increases in the national debt by percentage belong to democrats but you want to deny that.

BOTH parties have got us in the shit we are in and only fucking morons think that the same 2 parties that fucked everything up can unfuck it.

 

[bendog]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

What your limited 2 dimensional thinking isn't showing you is that I am not a republican.

And like I said 3 of the 5 largest increases in the national debt by percentage belong to democrats but you want to deny that.

BOTH parties have got us in the shit we are in and only fucking morons think that the same 2 parties that fucked everything up can unfuck it.

The question is how you got from tax increase to debt increase.

 

[BULLDOG]

I highly doubt you are in that group, but what-the-hell. This is the anonymous internet. You can be a fairy princess if you want to. Those in the group you mention got the greatest rate change in Trump's tax cut. Even higher than the top 1%. whose tax cut was about $50,000. 77 times the cut for the entire bottom 80%.

How would the bottom 80% see a $50k tax cut when they don't even pay that much in taxes?

If that is too complicated for you to figure out, then consider that the top 5% got more than a 3% tax cut while the lower 80% got less than a 1.5% cut.

 

[BULLDOG]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

What your limited 2 dimensional thinking isn't showing you is that I am not a republican.

And like I said 3 of the 5 largest increases in the national debt by percentage belong to democrats but you want to deny that.

BOTH parties have got us in the shit we are in and only fucking morons think that the same 2 parties that fucked everything up can unfuck it.

The question is how you got from tax increase to debt increase.

Just following standard right wing procedure.

When in danger
Or in doubt
Talk in circles
Scream and Shout.

 

[jbander]

JFK recognized the dangers of overtaxing businesses and individuals and the negative impact that could have on the economy. So, economically speaking, how was JFK more liberal than Biden?

Well, to start with, he didn't really cut spending.

He instituted a space program, ran up social programs, and escalated a war in Vietnam. He wasn't a conservative in any way, shape or form.

Well, he was killed by a leftist commie before his proposal could become law, but it did in 1964, and yes spending was cut.

Quickly though, that went out the window when Johnson escalated the war, bigly, and then undid all the work done by JFK, bpth in Civil Rights, and economically, but creating his "War on Poverty" - that simply created mass poverty, mass spending, and mass dependence. on Govt...

You are full of crap as usual, he introduce massive amount of spending with the tax cut and the good numbers comes way more from the increased spending then the tax cuts, why even open your mouth when you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Actually there was a spending cut in the 64 Tax Revenue law.....actually a decrease of over $100 billion in the Federal Budget....which was a lot of money back then.

YOu really don't know what you are talking about.

How did this happen then, gee golly gee what happened on this chart in 1960
View attachment 469219 JFK INCREASED SPENDING MASSIVELY< I ASSUME DING DONG HERE IS JUST LYING AS USUAL< OR AT BEST HALF THE TRUTH> one more thing the rate of increase was the fastest increase of spending in history other then spending on WW2

LBJ and the Great Society.....different pieces of legislation my uninformed friend

The legisation we were discussing was his tax cut bill, that massively cut taxes, and also cut spending....Johnson had to sign it in 64 because Kennedy you know, was killed by a leftist in Nov of 63

The chart along with me says you full of crap. Everyone knows that the profile of JFK economic plan was this
"JFK's Impact on the Minimum Wage, Social Security, and Mental Health"

I like making a fool out of people who think they know it all, seems that our friend Struth is selling bull crap again. If you see their mouth open they are lying. Just read the article.

 

[jbander]

Massive increase in spending in 1961 , fastest rate of increase in history other then ww2

 

[jbander]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

What your limited 2 dimensional thinking isn't showing you is that I am not a republican.

And like I said 3 of the 5 largest increases in the national debt by percentage belong to democrats but you want to deny that.

BOTH parties have got us in the shit we are in and only fucking morons think that the same 2 parties that fucked everything up can unfuck it.

The question is how you got from tax increase to debt increase.

Just following standard right wing procedure.

When in danger
Or in doubt
Talk in circles
Scream and Shout.

Add Lie and distort on that list, in fact without that the Right couldn't or wouldn't exist.

 

[struth]

JFK recognized the dangers of overtaxing businesses and individuals and the negative impact that could have on the economy. So, economically speaking, how was JFK more liberal than Biden?

Well, to start with, he didn't really cut spending.

He instituted a space program, ran up social programs, and escalated a war in Vietnam. He wasn't a conservative in any way, shape or form.

Well, he was killed by a leftist commie before his proposal could become law, but it did in 1964, and yes spending was cut.

Quickly though, that went out the window when Johnson escalated the war, bigly, and then undid all the work done by JFK, bpth in Civil Rights, and economically, but creating his "War on Poverty" - that simply created mass poverty, mass spending, and mass dependence. on Govt...

You are full of crap as usual, he introduce massive amount of spending with the tax cut and the good numbers comes way more from the increased spending then the tax cuts, why even open your mouth when you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Actually there was a spending cut in the 64 Tax Revenue law.....actually a decrease of over $100 billion in the Federal Budget....which was a lot of money back then.

YOu really don't know what you are talking about.

How did this happen then, gee golly gee what happened on this chart in 1960
View attachment 469219 JFK INCREASED SPENDING MASSIVELY< I ASSUME DING DONG HERE IS JUST LYING AS USUAL< OR AT BEST HALF THE TRUTH> one more thing the rate of increase was the fastest increase of spending in history other then spending on WW2

LBJ and the Great Society.....different pieces of legislation my uninformed friend

The legisation we were discussing was his tax cut bill, that massively cut taxes, and also cut spending....Johnson had to sign it in 64 because Kennedy you know, was killed by a leftist in Nov of 63

The chart along with me says you full of crap. Everyone knows that the profile of JFK economic plan was this
"JFK's Impact on the Minimum Wage, Social Security, and Mental Health"
View attachment 469229
I like making a fool out of people who think they know it all, seems that our friend Struth is selling bull crap again. If you see their mouth open they are lying. Just read the article.

No, the chart doesn't....as I highlighted what the law we were discussing did....

Yes JFK has a solid economic record....he was tax cutter....which helps accomplish such things

 

[ding]

All those idiots who thought everything was free....now gonna see somebody always gotta pay for the free stuff.

Biden Plans First Major Federal Tax Hike Since 1993

President Joe Biden is planning the first major federal tax hike since 1993 to help pay for the long-term economic program designed as a follow-up to his pandemic-relief bill, according to people familiar with the matter.Unlike the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus act, the...

www.newsmax.com

The working class have been paying for the tax give aways to the rich for 40 years. Currently to the tune of $20 Trillion.

The same people who have been paying for the freebies in subsidies to fossil fuel, petro chemical, pharmaceutical, defense contractor, and insurance companies.

The same people that have been paying to bail out the banks, air lines, and Donald Trumps bankruptcies.

You're right. You're getting to see what' it's like to have to give up on those freebies.

That money belongs to the people. The people that actually work for a living in this country, which is the only reason those worthless fucks exist, and we want our money back.

And we're going to get it.

bullshit--the rich pay MORE than their fair share

So why are they the only ones to get much richer with each tax cut?

Because they pay most of the taxes.
How the fuck is a person who pays ZERO taxes suppose to pay less taxes???

They should pay most of the taxes. They get the vast majority of the benefits of our taxes.

They pay the vast majority of taxes - so DUH! they get most of the benefits.
You understand Math Matters right?
If you want to complain about wealth concentration, companies getting too big etc. - I am there also.
But math is math.

Got it. Some are just more equal than others, right?

Exactly. You think people who already pay no income tax should get more of a tax break. Yuo realize that doesn't make sense right?

I believe those at the top have too many tax breaks.
Those at the extreme lower end of the wealth gap can't afford the things that they need, much less pay to help others. If those at the top of the gap were paying their fair share, the gap wouldn't be expanding so quickly. A level playing field isn't too much to ask for.

I paid over 60k in federal taxes last year. What tax breaks did I get? Cause every tax break I looked at I didn't qualify for because I made too much money.

Were you in that group at Mar-a-lago when trump told them he had just made them all a lot richer?

Nope. What does that have to do with what I wrote or your claim that those at the top have too many tax breaks. I'm in the top 5% and I'm not getting any tax breaks. Would you like to tax me more?

I highly doubt you are in that group, but what-the-hell. This is the anonymous internet. You can be a fairy princess if you want to. Those in the group you mention got the greatest rate change in Trump's tax cut. Even higher than the top 1%. whose tax cut was about $50,000. 77 times the cut for the entire bottom 80%. Biden's plan to increase tax rates for those above $400,000, which won't even effect the group you mentioned is smart and fair, and about time.

Before I retired I worked as an engineer in the oil and gas industry for 36 years. My base was 260, bonus put me up to 310 and contributions to pension and 401k match put me up to 370 and company paid non-taxable benefits put me up to 400. So yeah, I was. I also got a 400k severance package when I retired and walked with a pension of 2 million in addition to my 401k. My tax bill ran about 60k a year.

People like you are parasites.

That's nice, but what I really want to know is how much fun is it being a Disney princess? Do you all get together and do each other's hair and makeup? Do you have pillow fights??

Your reaction says it all. I figured that would get under your skin and drive you nuts. Jealousy is not a good look.

 

[BULLDOG]

All those idiots who thought everything was free....now gonna see somebody always gotta pay for the free stuff.

Biden Plans First Major Federal Tax Hike Since 1993

President Joe Biden is planning the first major federal tax hike since 1993 to help pay for the long-term economic program designed as a follow-up to his pandemic-relief bill, according to people familiar with the matter.Unlike the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus act, the...

www.newsmax.com

The working class have been paying for the tax give aways to the rich for 40 years. Currently to the tune of $20 Trillion.

The same people who have been paying for the freebies in subsidies to fossil fuel, petro chemical, pharmaceutical, defense contractor, and insurance companies.

The same people that have been paying to bail out the banks, air lines, and Donald Trumps bankruptcies.

You're right. You're getting to see what' it's like to have to give up on those freebies.

That money belongs to the people. The people that actually work for a living in this country, which is the only reason those worthless fucks exist, and we want our money back.

And we're going to get it.

bullshit--the rich pay MORE than their fair share

So why are they the only ones to get much richer with each tax cut?

Because they pay most of the taxes.
How the fuck is a person who pays ZERO taxes suppose to pay less taxes???

They should pay most of the taxes. They get the vast majority of the benefits of our taxes.

They pay the vast majority of taxes - so DUH! they get most of the benefits.
You understand Math Matters right?
If you want to complain about wealth concentration, companies getting too big etc. - I am there also.
But math is math.

Got it. Some are just more equal than others, right?

Exactly. You think people who already pay no income tax should get more of a tax break. Yuo realize that doesn't make sense right?

I believe those at the top have too many tax breaks.
Those at the extreme lower end of the wealth gap can't afford the things that they need, much less pay to help others. If those at the top of the gap were paying their fair share, the gap wouldn't be expanding so quickly. A level playing field isn't too much to ask for.

I paid over 60k in federal taxes last year. What tax breaks did I get? Cause every tax break I looked at I didn't qualify for because I made too much money.

Were you in that group at Mar-a-lago when trump told them he had just made them all a lot richer?

Nope. What does that have to do with what I wrote or your claim that those at the top have too many tax breaks. I'm in the top 5% and I'm not getting any tax breaks. Would you like to tax me more?

I highly doubt you are in that group, but what-the-hell. This is the anonymous internet. You can be a fairy princess if you want to. Those in the group you mention got the greatest rate change in Trump's tax cut. Even higher than the top 1%. whose tax cut was about $50,000. 77 times the cut for the entire bottom 80%. Biden's plan to increase tax rates for those above $400,000, which won't even effect the group you mentioned is smart and fair, and about time.

Before I retired I worked as an engineer in the oil and gas industry for 36 years. My base was 260, bonus put me up to 310 and contributions to pension and 401k match put me up to 370 and company paid non-taxable benefits put me up to 400. So yeah, I was. I also got a 400k severance package when I retired and walked with a pension of 2 million in addition to my 401k. My tax bill ran about 60k a year.

People like you are parasites.

That's nice, but what I really want to know is how much fun is it being a Disney princess? Do you all get together and do each other's hair and makeup? Do you have pillow fights??

Your reaction says it all. I figured that would get under your skin and drive you nuts. Jealousy is not a good look.

Wow.

OK.



If you say so....

 

[ding]

All those idiots who thought everything was free....now gonna see somebody always gotta pay for the free stuff.

Biden Plans First Major Federal Tax Hike Since 1993

President Joe Biden is planning the first major federal tax hike since 1993 to help pay for the long-term economic program designed as a follow-up to his pandemic-relief bill, according to people familiar with the matter.Unlike the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus act, the...

www.newsmax.com

The working class have been paying for the tax give aways to the rich for 40 years. Currently to the tune of $20 Trillion.

The same people who have been paying for the freebies in subsidies to fossil fuel, petro chemical, pharmaceutical, defense contractor, and insurance companies.

The same people that have been paying to bail out the banks, air lines, and Donald Trumps bankruptcies.

You're right. You're getting to see what' it's like to have to give up on those freebies.

That money belongs to the people. The people that actually work for a living in this country, which is the only reason those worthless fucks exist, and we want our money back.

And we're going to get it.

bullshit--the rich pay MORE than their fair share

So why are they the only ones to get much richer with each tax cut?

Because they pay most of the taxes.
How the fuck is a person who pays ZERO taxes suppose to pay less taxes???

They should pay most of the taxes. They get the vast majority of the benefits of our taxes.

They pay the vast majority of taxes - so DUH! they get most of the benefits.
You understand Math Matters right?
If you want to complain about wealth concentration, companies getting too big etc. - I am there also.
But math is math.

Got it. Some are just more equal than others, right?

Exactly. You think people who already pay no income tax should get more of a tax break. Yuo realize that doesn't make sense right?

I believe those at the top have too many tax breaks.
Those at the extreme lower end of the wealth gap can't afford the things that they need, much less pay to help others. If those at the top of the gap were paying their fair share, the gap wouldn't be expanding so quickly. A level playing field isn't too much to ask for.

I paid over 60k in federal taxes last year. What tax breaks did I get? Cause every tax break I looked at I didn't qualify for because I made too much money.

Were you in that group at Mar-a-lago when trump told them he had just made them all a lot richer?

Nope. What does that have to do with what I wrote or your claim that those at the top have too many tax breaks. I'm in the top 5% and I'm not getting any tax breaks. Would you like to tax me more?

I highly doubt you are in that group, but what-the-hell. This is the anonymous internet. You can be a fairy princess if you want to. Those in the group you mention got the greatest rate change in Trump's tax cut. Even higher than the top 1%. whose tax cut was about $50,000. 77 times the cut for the entire bottom 80%. Biden's plan to increase tax rates for those above $400,000, which won't even effect the group you mentioned is smart and fair, and about time.

Before I retired I worked as an engineer in the oil and gas industry for 36 years. My base was 260, bonus put me up to 310 and contributions to pension and 401k match put me up to 370 and company paid non-taxable benefits put me up to 400. So yeah, I was. I also got a 400k severance package when I retired and walked with a pension of 2 million in addition to my 401k. My tax bill ran about 60k a year.

People like you are parasites.

That's nice, but what I really want to know is how much fun is it being a Disney princess? Do you all get together and do each other's hair and makeup? Do you have pillow fights??

Your reaction says it all. I figured that would get under your skin and drive you nuts. Jealousy is not a good look.

Wow.

OK.



If you say so....

Actually you said so with your reaction.

 

[struth]

All those idiots who thought everything was free....now gonna see somebody always gotta pay for the free stuff.

Biden Plans First Major Federal Tax Hike Since 1993

President Joe Biden is planning the first major federal tax hike since 1993 to help pay for the long-term economic program designed as a follow-up to his pandemic-relief bill, according to people familiar with the matter.Unlike the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus act, the...

www.newsmax.com

The working class have been paying for the tax give aways to the rich for 40 years. Currently to the tune of $20 Trillion.

The same people who have been paying for the freebies in subsidies to fossil fuel, petro chemical, pharmaceutical, defense contractor, and insurance companies.

The same people that have been paying to bail out the banks, air lines, and Donald Trumps bankruptcies.

You're right. You're getting to see what' it's like to have to give up on those freebies.

That money belongs to the people. The people that actually work for a living in this country, which is the only reason those worthless fucks exist, and we want our money back.

And we're going to get it.

bullshit--the rich pay MORE than their fair share

So why are they the only ones to get much richer with each tax cut?

Because they pay most of the taxes.
How the fuck is a person who pays ZERO taxes suppose to pay less taxes???

All those idiots who thought everything was free....now gonna see somebody always gotta pay for the free stuff.

Biden Plans First Major Federal Tax Hike Since 1993

President Joe Biden is planning the first major federal tax hike since 1993 to help pay for the long-term economic program designed as a follow-up to his pandemic-relief bill, according to people familiar with the matter.Unlike the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus act, the...

www.newsmax.com

The working class have been paying for the tax give aways to the rich for 40 years. Currently to the tune of $20 Trillion.

The same people who have been paying for the freebies in subsidies to fossil fuel, petro chemical, pharmaceutical, defense contractor, and insurance companies.

The same people that have been paying to bail out the banks, air lines, and Donald Trumps bankruptcies.

You're right. You're getting to see what' it's like to have to give up on those freebies.

That money belongs to the people. The people that actually work for a living in this country, which is the only reason those worthless fucks exist, and we want our money back.

And we're going to get it.

bullshit--the rich pay MORE than their fair share

So why are they the only ones to get much richer with each tax cut?

Because they pay most of the taxes.
How the fuck is a person who pays ZERO taxes suppose to pay less taxes???

They should pay most of the taxes. They get the vast majority of the benefits of our taxes.

They pay the vast majority of taxes - so DUH! they get most of the benefits.
You understand Math Matters right?
If you want to complain about wealth concentration, companies getting too big etc. - I am there also.
But math is math.

Got it. Some are just more equal than others, right?

Exactly. You think people who already pay no income tax should get more of a tax break. Yuo realize that doesn't make sense right?

I believe those at the top have too many tax breaks.
Those at the extreme lower end of the wealth gap can't afford the things that they need, much less pay to help others. If those at the top of the gap were paying their fair share, the gap wouldn't be expanding so quickly. A level playing field isn't too much to ask for.

I paid over 60k in federal taxes last year. What tax breaks did I get? Cause every tax break I looked at I didn't qualify for because I made too much money.

Were you in that group at Mar-a-lago when trump told them he had just made them all a lot richer?

Nope. What does that have to do with what I wrote or your claim that those at the top have too many tax breaks. I'm in the top 5% and I'm not getting any tax breaks. Would you like to tax me more?

I highly doubt you are in that group, but what-the-hell. This is the anonymous internet. You can be a fairy princess if you want to. Those in the group you mention got the greatest rate change in Trump's tax cut. Even higher than the top 1%. whose tax cut was about $50,000. 77 times the cut for the entire bottom 80%. Biden's plan to increase tax rates for those above $400,000, which won't even effect the group you mentioned is smart and fair, and about time.

Before I retired I worked as an engineer in the oil and gas industry for 36 years. My base was 260, bonus put me up to 310 and contributions to pension and 401k match put me up to 370 and company paid non-taxable benefits put me up to 400. So yeah, I was. I also got a 400k severance package when I retired and walked with a pension of 2 million in addition to my 401k. My tax bill ran about 60k a year.

People like you are parasites.

That's nice, but what I really want to know is how much fun is it being a Disney princess? Do you all get together and do each other's hair and makeup? Do you have pillow fights??

Your reaction says it all. I figured that would get under your skin and drive you nuts. Jealousy is not a good look.

Wow.

OK.



If you say so....

No, it's really not a good look.....heck folks knew that dating back to Shakepeare....he called it the "green eyed monster"

Jealousy is an ugly thing, it's where hate, envy, resentment and anger develop....it's why the DNC encourages such things....it's where they find their bas

 

[Blues Man]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

What your limited 2 dimensional thinking isn't showing you is that I am not a republican.

And like I said 3 of the 5 largest increases in the national debt by percentage belong to democrats but you want to deny that.

BOTH parties have got us in the shit we are in and only fucking morons think that the same 2 parties that fucked everything up can unfuck it.

The question is how you got from tax increase to debt increase.

because it applies to the sate of the economy.

 

[Blues Man]

You don't have to put money in a bank.

And since when are you a small government guy?

You want government to do everything for you.

I want the government to do the things it needs to do. Government isn't really doing anything for me right now. I'm not enrolled in any government programs at this time, unless you count the VA loan I bought my house with.

(And since I've never missed a payment in 17 years, that shouldn't even count)

I do want government to be efficient and live in it's means, just like businesses and households have to do.

Now, 13 years ago, before I cured myself of Republican Stupidity, I actually was in a financial mess, partly due to medical bills, partly due to reduced salary after Bush's recession, and partly because I wasn't necessarily spending my money on the right things.

So I was close to $60,000 in debt above my mortgage, and probably needed to buy a new car.

I did what I needed to do. I cut back on my spending. I took second and third jobs to increase my income. I built up a side business writing resumes to generate additional income.

Today, I am debt free save what is left on my mortgage, and have nearly a years salary in savings to tap into in case I have to in case the country has a brain fart and puts another Republican in office.

If anyone has a concern about the economy you would be a total idiot to elect a president from the right, They are a total disaster as far as the economy is concerned.

tell me what democrat has not increased the debt while in office.

And FYI I don't vote for republicans because they're just as bad as the fucking deomcrats

What a joke, the right leads the way in increasing the Debt. better have the facts before you say something stupid. By the way if you are concerned about this country's econimy , you would be a idiot to vote in a righty for president, The right is a total disaster as far as every important aspect of the economy is concerned, Don't even waste our time about one presidents results.

I hate to tell you thin but BOTH parties increase the debt.

Why don't you name one presidential administration that didn't increase the national debt in the past 40 years?

Who in the hell said that it was just one side ace. go play someplace else, your just clowning up the thread with wasted nonsense. It was mostly by the hate party , that's what I said and that fact hasn't changed.

Did you know that 3 out of the top 5 largest increases of the national debt by percentage were under Democrats?

US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.

www.thebalance.com

So it doesn't fucking matter which party is in office.

Republican presidents have increased the debt way more then the democrats. Live with it ace , you can't lie your way through this one - way to much information at our fingertips. this never works for the right , they build everything the got on lies and distortion. in fact without those lies they couldn't or wouldn't even exist.

What your limited 2 dimensional thinking isn't showing you is that I am not a republican.

And like I said 3 of the 5 largest increases in the national debt by percentage belong to democrats but you want to deny that.

BOTH parties have got us in the shit we are in and only fucking morons think that the same 2 parties that fucked everything up can unfuck it.

The question is how you got from tax increase to debt increase.

Just following standard right wing procedure.

When in danger
Or in doubt
Talk in circles
Scream and Shout.

Add Lie and distort on that list, in fact without that the Right couldn't or wouldn't exist.

What facts did I distort?

And how many times do I have to tell you I'm not a republican nor am I "The Right".

In fact I'm I'm probably one of the most liberal people on this board. I just happen to think that government plays too big of a role in our daily lives