"Biden's documents are different from Trump's documents"

[Couchpotato]

I didn’t. I was making an entirely different point that appears to have gone over your head.

Yeah your "point" was off base from the start. If you'd like me to go over how I can but I somehow doubt you'd get it.

For starters the President doesnt have to "assert" (I dont think you actually know what this word means) I assume you mean inform anyone that he's declassified a document. There's no authority for him to inform, as he is the authority. It might be a bad system, but it is the system we have. I won't disagree that he probably should inform (not assert) the originator of the document that he is declassifying it but he has no requirement to do so, and without knowing what the documents are there's no way to know who that is. For all we know the WH was the classification originator. Do you have any information that they weren't? I haven't seen anything indicating who was the orginator on any of the documents in Trumps or Biden's case. Secondly. The FOIA issue. Him taking a hard copy of a declassified document wouldn't make it so people couldn't FOIA it. Records are kept in soft copy. Do you think the US Government has these huge warehouses of classified and declassified documents stored and you have to go check them out? If that were the case, they would have known exactly which documents they were looking for when they raided Mar A Lago. The biggest issue with the discussion about classified documents is that 95% of the people participating in the discussion have never been in that world and are just talking out of their ass. You included.

 

[Couchpotato]

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Link to those numbers?

Also the number of documents is irrelevant.

 

[Godboy]

They dont teach that in bootcamp. There's no reason to. Most of the people in bootcamp will never have a clearance.

They did when i was in bootcamp in 1992.

 

[Marener]

Yeah your "point" was off base from the start. If you'd like me to go over how I can but I somehow doubt you'd get it.

For starters the President doesnt have to "assert" (I dont think you actually know what this word means) I assume you mean inform anyone that he's declassified a document. There's no authority for him to inform, as he is the authority. It might be a bad system, but it is the system we have. I won't disagree that he probably should inform (not assert) the originator of the document that he is declassifying it but he has no requirement to do so, and without knowing what the documents are there's no way to know who that is. For all we know the WH was the classification originator. Do you have any information that they weren't? I haven't seen anything indicating who was the orginator on any of the documents in Trumps or Biden's case. Secondly. The FOIA issue. Him taking a hard copy of a declassified document wouldn't make it so people couldn't FOIA it. Records are kept in soft copy. Do you think the US Government has these huge warehouses of classified and declassified documents stored and you have to go check them out? If that were the case, they would have known exactly which documents they were looking for when they raided Mar A Lago. The biggest issue with the discussion about classified documents is that 95% of the people participating in the discussion have never been in that world and are just talking out of their ass. You included.

When I said he hasn’t asserted TO AN authority, the point is whether they are or aren’t declassified remains ambiguous. This already makes the vast majority of your reply irrelevant.

But there’s more problems. When you say Trump doesn’t have to tell any authority because he is the authority is likewise misguided. Trump WAS the authority. Now, he has no authority. Know who does have authority? The DoJ. It defies logic that Trump would fail to inform them of his declassification since the DoJ was after them specifically because they still believed they were all still classified.

As to the FOIA issue, you again missed the mark. You can’t gain access to classified documents by FOIA. If the government still believes the documents are classified, they won’t allow us to see them, even though they are supposedly now declassified. If Trump did declassify them, he is depriving us access to the information by failing to inform the government of his decision. Not because he retains the only copy but because the government won’t release documents if it doesn’t know they’re declassified.

 

[Nostra]

Immediately after they were found.

Trump didn’t even do that. He refused to comply with legal requests.

How long did Chicom Joe’s handlers in Beijing get to see them, Simp?

 

[Nostra]

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Got any links to support your numbers for Beijing Joe?

 

[Nostra]

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FBI investigation: Hitlery had over 100 email chains on her unsecure server with classified material, including SAP info…..the highest classification we have

 

[Marener]

How long did Chicom Joe’s handlers in Beijing get to see them, Simp?

Do you have any idea how you sound to normal people?

 

[BWK]

Yeah your "point" was off base from the start. If you'd like me to go over how I can but I somehow doubt you'd get it.

For starters the President doesnt have to "assert" (I dont think you actually know what this word means) I assume you mean inform anyone that he's declassified a document. There's no authority for him to inform, as he is the authority. It might be a bad system, but it is the system we have. I won't disagree that he probably should inform (not assert) the originator of the document that he is declassifying it but he has no requirement to do so, and without knowing what the documents are there's no way to know who that is. For all we know the WH was the classification originator. Do you have any information that they weren't? I haven't seen anything indicating who was the orginator on any of the documents in Trumps or Biden's case. Secondly. The FOIA issue. Him taking a hard copy of a declassified document wouldn't make it so people couldn't FOIA it. Records are kept in soft copy. Do you think the US Government has these huge warehouses of classified and declassified documents stored and you have to go check them out? If that were the case, they would have known exactly which documents they were looking for when they raided Mar A Lago. The biggest issue with the discussion about classified documents is that 95% of the people participating in the discussion have never been in that world and are just talking out of their ass. You included.

There is no record of declassification by Trump concerning the documents stolen, therefore, the Archives take them as being classified. That's how simple it is.

There is no such thing as magically declassifying in your head. If all business was handled that way, no one would know anything about any government function.

You really don't play with a full deck. Case in point, you are right, 95% do not know and are not in that world. The other 5% are, and everything points to a federal criminal indictment in violation of the Records Act.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Another difference is that the CCP did not have unfettered access to Mar a lago like they had to Bidens offices in PA

 

[BWK]

Do you have any idea how you sound to normal people?

As long as they keep posting idiotic shit like that, the stronger the real truth becomes.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is no record of declassification by Trump concerning the documents stolen, therefore, the Archives take them as being classified. That's how simple it is.

There is no such thing as magically declassifying in your head. If all business was handled that way, no one would know anything about any government function.

You really don't play with a full deck. Case in point, you are right, 95% do not know and are not in that world. The other 5% are, and everything points to a federal criminal indictment in violation of the Records Act.

So you admit Biden is a criminal and a traitor.

 

[BWK]

FBI investigation: Hitlery had over 100 email chains on her unsecure server with classified material, including SAP info…..the highest classification we have

And they weren't even in her closet at her house. Imagine that.

 

[BWK]

So you admit Biden is a criminal and a traitor.

Inventing things I never said, shows just what a loser you are. Try again.

 

[Couchpotato]

When I said he hasn’t asserted TO AN authority, the point is whether they are or aren’t declassified remains ambiguous. This already makes the vast majority of your reply irrelevant.

Told you I could explain it but you wouldnt understand it. Which "authority" should he have informed? You keep using asserted incorrectly.

But there’s more problems. When you say Trump doesn’t have to tell any authority because he is the authority is likewise misguided. Trump WAS the authority. Now, he has no authority. Know who does have authority? The DoJ. It defies logic that Trump would fail to inform them of his declassification since the DoJ was after them specifically because they still believed they were all still classified.

I dont think He was claiming that he declassified them post Presidency is he? Yeah, no he isnt. Where did you get the misguided idea that the DoJ has anything to do with classification authority? Or declassifying documents?

As to the FOIA issue, you again missed the mark. You can’t gain access to classified documents by FOIA. If the government still believes the documents are classified, they won’t allow us to see them, even though they are supposedly now declassified. If Trump did declassify them, he is depriving us access to the information by failing to inform the government of his decision. Not because he retains the only copy but because the government won’t release documents if it doesn’t know they’re declassified.

So why did you bring up FOIA moron? What about the fact that record storage isnt done in hard copy by the US government was so hard for you to wrap your brain around? (Thats for classified and unclassified BTW) Any documents Trump or Biden or anyone might have taken arent the only copies. They are just a printed copy. If you FOIA something the Government doesnt send some clerk down to the document warehouse to make you a copy. Once approved you just get a digital version or one they've print from a GIS. It's not 1905.

 

[toobfreak]

Man 1 to Man 2: "Republicans just don't believe in the rule of law like normal people do. Laws have consequences! If those dirty rotten insurrectionists didn't want to rot in prison for J6, they shouldn't have broken the law!"

"Trump broke the law. He deserved to be raided and his home trashed. Trump must abide by the same laws as the rest of us! He is not privileged! Those papers he had, once he left office, he no longer had any authority to declassify that material! Trump needs prosecuted, I hope the charges are upcoming soon."

Man 2 to Man 1: "But wait! Joe Biden never had the authority to take those top security papers at all ever in the first place! Not when he took them, and certainly not last November when the papers were accidentally revealed then covered over to the public until after the election so as not to further hurt the Democrats! What about that?! Only person with that authority then was Obama. Either Joe is guilty of a national security felony or he was acing under secret orders from Barry who authorized it! So which is it?!"

Man 1 to Man 2: "Oh yeah."

 

[BWK]

It is funny when the host lies about Biden taking those documents without any knowledge of him doing so.

 

[366h34d]

I am non of both guy's fans. However, the left reasonings are so out of touch. Biden had no right to declassify them (he was only the VP) and he held them for five years. The secrets of the docs are more important than the number. As we know, a few of trump's doc are personal letters from KIM.

 

[Rambunctious]

ha ha ha ha that is sooo nuts!

thank you

LOL

 

[BWK]

Told you I could explain it but you wouldnt understand it. Which "authority" should he have informed? You keep using asserted incorrectly.




I dont think He was claiming that he declassified them post Presidency is he? Yeah, no he isnt. Where did you get the misguided idea that the DoJ has anything to do with classification authority? Or declassifying documents?



So why did you bring up FOIA moron? What about the fact that record storage isnt done in hard copy by the US government was so hard for you to wrap your brain around? (Thats for classified and unclassified BTW) Any documents Trump or Biden or anyone might have taken arent the only copies. They are just a printed copy. If you FOIA something the Government doesnt send some clerk down to the document warehouse to make you a copy. Once approved you just get a digital version or one they've print from a GIS. It's not 1905.

You are beating a dead horse. Biden is cooperating. Trump never did. Trump told us the classified documents were his. Biden never did. Trump didn't report classified documents at his house. Bidens lawyers immediately alerted authorities of documents they found that Biden claims he knew nothing about. Trump also said the FBI planted classified documents at his home while telling us they were his. Biden never did. You are the dog chasing your own tail, and you'll never catch it. Stop making a total idiot of yourself.