"Biden's documents are different from Trump's documents"

[Faun]

A President doesn't have to "assert authority" to classify or declassify a document. The Office of the President is the authority from which all classification and declassification comes from. Everyone else's authority to classifiy or declassify anything is delegated from the President.

Not true.

Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority

www.americanbar.org

Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.​

 

[Faun]

Have they raid Biden's home/office yet?

No?

Imagine my surprise!

You really are as stupid as you appear.

 

[BWK]

Man 1 to Man 2: "Republicans just don't believe in the rule of law like normal people do. Laws have consequences! If those dirty rotten insurrectionists didn't want to rot in prison for J6, they shouldn't have broken the law!"

"Trump broke the law. He deserved to be raided and his home trashed. Trump must abide by the same laws as the rest of us! He is not privileged! Those papers he had, once he left office, he no longer had any authority to declassify that material! Trump needs prosecuted, I hope the charges are upcoming soon."

Man 2 to Man 1: "But wait! Joe Biden never had the authority to take those top security papers at all ever in the first place! Not when he took them, and certainly not last November when the papers were accidentally revealed then covered over to the public until after the election so as not to further hurt the Democrats! What about that?! Only person with that authority then was Obama. Either Joe is guilty of a national security felony or he was acing under secret orders from Barry who authorized it! So which is it?!"

Man 1 to Man 2: "Oh yeah."

“The documents were discovered when the President’s personal attorneys were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C. The President periodically used this space from mid-2017 until the start of the 2020 campaign. On the day of this discovery, November 2, 2022, the White House Counsel’s Office notified the National Archives. The Archives took possession of the materials the following morning.” How do you know Biden himself took them or knew about it? His lawyers set up his office in Washington D.C. and at the Univ. of Pennsylvania. Biden 'surprised' about discovery of classified documents and what he's said before This looks like a witch hunt to try and excuse Trump. LOL! Aint happening.

 

[Nostra]

Do you have any idea how you sound to normal people?

How would you know, Simp?

 

[Nostra]

And they weren't even in her closet at her house. Imagine that.

Where were they, Simp?

 

[BWK]

I am non of both guy's fans. However, the left reasonings are so out of touch. Biden had no right to declassify them (he was only the VP) and he held them for five years. The secrets of the docs are more important than the number. As we know, a few of trump's doc are personal letters from KIM.

Biden 'surprised' about discovery of classified documents and what he's said before

At a summit in Mexico, President Joe Biden said was "surprised" when classified documents were found at his formal personal office.

abcnews.go.com

The documents were discovered when the President’s personal attorneys were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C. The President periodically used this space from mid-2017 until the start of the 2020 campaign. On the day of this discovery, November 2, 2022, the White House Counsel’s Office notified the National Archives. The Archives took possession of the materials the following morning.” How do you know Biden himself took them or knew about it? His lawyers set up his office in Washington D.C. and at the Univ. of Pennsylvania.

Where is your proof he knew?

 

[Nostra]

You really are as stupid as you appear.

We know you are.

 

[Faun]

He stole Top Secret documents and stored them in his "think Tank" (LOL Biden and think - hilarious!) where the CCP could review them!

Treason!

LOL

That's not a reason to raid as he returned them.

Your desperation is palpable and laughed at.

 

[BWK]

Where were they, Simp?

You don't know? You just destroyed your own argument you idiot.

 

[Faun]

We know you are.

Do better, Peewee.

 

[BWK]

LOL

That's not a reason to raid as he returned them.

Your desperation is palpable and laughed at.

His explanation is retarded. It's unbelievable how gd stupid they are.

 

[Faun]

Immediately? Traitor Joe kept them in an unsecured location for 6 years, Simp.

Doesn't mean he was aware he still had them.

 

[Marener]

Told you I could explain it but you wouldnt understand it. Which "authority" should he have informed? You keep using asserted incorrectly.

You have yet to explain anything to me that I didn't understand already. Instead, I've been trying to explain the plain english of my texts to you, including a weird understanding of the word assert. As I've stated in numerous posts, he should have at least informed NARA and DoJ as they were beginning investigations into his handling of classified documents in order to alleviate the legal battle he was engaged in that ultimately led to a raid on his house. Not doing so strongly suggests that he never actually wanted them declassified. Moreover, he should have informed the agencies that retain the documents so they can process that information for FOIA requests, which is how this is normally handled by presidents who are morons.

I dont think He was claiming that he declassified them post Presidency is he? Yeah, no he isnt. Where did you get the misguided idea that the DoJ has anything to do with classification authority? Or declassifying documents?

The DoJ has a lot to do with investigations of mishandling of classified documents. Again, you seem solely focused on the process of declassification, which has really has nothing to do with my point.

So why did you bring up FOIA moron? What about the fact that record storage isnt done in hard copy by the US government was so hard for you to wrap your brain around? (Thats for classified and unclassified BTW) Any documents Trump or Biden or anyone might have taken arent the only copies. They are just a printed copy. If you FOIA something the Government doesnt send some clerk down to the document warehouse to make you a copy. Once approved you just get a digital version or one they've print from a GIS. It's not 1905.

I explained why I brought up FOIA and you seem to have either completely ignored it or just totally misunderstood it. It has nothing to do with the disposition of any copy. It has everything to do with whether the government is going to allow you to see whatever copy they do have. The government will allow you to see declassified documents. They won't allow you to see classified documents. In order to determine what they can allow you to see (in the case of FOIA, it's really what they're legally required to allow you see), they have to know what has been declassified. The government currently DOES NOT KNOW what Trump has declassified. Maybe the government should just ask Trump about every single FOIA request to see if he secretly declassified information in the request? That seems to be the only way to actually respond to FOIA requests these days.

 

[BWK]

Link to those numbers?

Also the number of documents is irrelevant.

So is your argument.

 

[Faun]

His explanation is retarded. It's unbelievable how gd stupid they are.

Of course it is. He doesn't even realize this is not a punishable offense.

 

[BWK]

Immediately? Traitor Joe kept them in an unsecured location for 6 years, Simp.

How do you know he knew they were there when his lawyers packed them?

 

[BWK]

Of course it is. He doesn't even realize this is not a punishable offense.

I hope they keep this up. Throwing spaghetti up against the wall is so easy to clean up with these nitwits.

 

[themirrorthief]

...I have been seeing a lot of people claiming this, so lets examine the differences.


"Biden's team reported it immediately, unlike Trump"

Correction, Biden's LAWYER who randomly found the documents reported it immediately. Why? Because he is a lawyer who knows that if he didnt do that, he would now be a part of this crime too. He isnt going to take the fall for The Big Guy. He already knows that the Biden's are going to be heavily investigated. He undoubtedly wants no part of that. Also, reporting it now doesnt mean that the crime of taking them in the first place wasnt committed. Admitting to murder doesnt mean you wont get in trouble for it.


"Biden only had 10 documents while Trump had 100"

Trump had a bunch of random stuff, like letters from Kim Jong Un. The amount of documents is irrelevant. Its either a crime to take documents or it isnt. Furthermore, according to CNN, Biden had material with the SCI classification, which is higher than Top Secret. This is the order of classification from lowest to highest... Classified, Secret, Top Secret, SCI. Also, its important to point out that Hillary had HUNDREDS of documents. Way more than Trump.


"Biden didnt know he had them, while Trump did know and he still refused to give them up."

You would have to be a fool to think that Biden didnt know. Aint no one gonna believe that horseshit. Biden also didnt have declassification powers as VP. Trump can declassify at will. I know you democrats will say "nuh uh", but you cant prove my statement wrong beyond that. Worse case scenario is that a legal debate will take place to determine if presidents can do what Trump did, but currently it isnt illegal. Biden taking them however is HIGHLY illegal and it isnt legally debatable.



More differences im seeing are the fact that we knew immediately in real time about Trumps documents. Bidens document scandal was hidden for 2 months. It was hidden right before the midterm elections in fact. I think we can all agree that there isnt a chance in fucking hell that Biden's homes will get raided by the FBI, unlike Trump. Hillary didnt get raided either, nor did Bill Clinton.

dude, we all know that when democrats cheat, steal and lie its perfectly alright and proper but if a republican gets caught jay walking..hello prison

 

[BWK]

You have yet to explain anything to me that I didn't understand already. Instead, I've been trying to explain the plain english of my texts to you, including a weird understanding of the word assert. As I've stated in numerous posts, he should have at least informed NARA and DoJ as they were beginning investigations into his handling of classified documents in order to alleviate the legal battle he was engaged in that ultimately led to a raid on his house. Not doing so strongly suggests that he never actually wanted them declassified. Moreover, he should have informed the agencies that retain the documents so they can process that information for FOIA requests, which is how this is normally handled by presidents who are morons.

The DoJ has a lot to do with investigations of mishandling of classified documents. Again, you seem solely focused on the process of declassification, which has really has nothing to do with my point.

I explained why I brought up FOIA and you seem to have either completely ignored it or just totally misunderstood it. It has nothing to do with the disposition of any copy. It has everything to do with whether the government is going to allow you to see whatever copy they do have. The government will allow you to see declassified documents. They won't allow you to see classified documents. In order to determine what they can allow you to see (in the case of FOIA, it's really what they're legally required to allow you see), they have to know what has been declassified. The government currently DOES NOT KNOW what Trump has declassified. Maybe the government should just ask Trump about every single FOIA request to see if he secretly declassified information in the request? That seems to be the only way to actually respond to FOIA requests these days.

He didn't misunderstand you. They are pedaling this nothing burger as a distraction to try and compare Biden to Trump. Nothing about this is similiar. But I do hope they keep going with it. The more they pedal, the weaker they look. They know Trump is toast with this document crime of his, and what else have they got going? Nothing!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL

That's not a reason to raid as he returned them.

Your desperation is palpable and laughed at.

He “returned” documents he NEVER should have had 6 YEARS LATER!!