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Biden proposes banning vast majority of all guns.

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Nope...guns are the leading cause of death of children
One more time
Kids being shot by rifles numbers are so few compared to kids being killed by parents
 

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What you are ignoring is that neither Miller nor Cruikshank said anything about the right to self-defense. For more than two hundred years is was well established that the second amendment was based on arming a militia, period.
We've established that your claim, above, is false.
It will remain false, no matter how many times you repeat it.
What you are also ignoring is the Cruikshank ruled it was perfectly fine for a state, or even a local government, to ban all arms. The second amendment only applied to the federal government, the federal government can not "infringe".
Even if true, this has since been rendered irrelevant by the incorporation of the 2nd Amendment against the states.
Just like the 1st, 4th, etc amendmenst were incorporated against the states.
 

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No one is saying you don't have the right to defend yourself. You just don't have the right to defend yourself with semi-automatic assault rifles and maybe even handguns.
Your statement, above, is a lie -- not only do you know we have this right, you know said right is protected from infringement by the constitution.
 

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Wow, I mean just, "Wow". So Constitutional protected rights can never be overturned? Seriously, I mean you are stupid enough to make that claim just months after Rowe was overturned? Miller WAS the standard, after Heller that is no longer the case.

In the 1939 case, United States vs. Miller, the court stated in a unanimous decision that the “obvious purpose” of the Second Amendment was to “assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of” the state militia and that it “must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.” In reversing this precedent in the Heller case, the 2008 Supreme Court justices drastically changed how American citizens interact with guns.


You got that, "reversing the precedent"?
Roe wasn’t about a constitutionally protected right. Abortion, or even privacy isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution. The Roe decision was bad law and even RBG admitted that,
 

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even privacy isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution
The fourth amendment, while not specifically using the term, privacy, is pretty clear that your privacy is a right. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
 

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Hey, if a school shooter had only a bolt action with a 6 bullet cap, he wouldn't kill that many before he'd have to reload and get tackled.

Simple handguns for home defence is ok.
Tackled by who? A ten year old? The teacher would be the first killed if ammo was limited.
 

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The fourth amendment, while not specifically using the term, privacy, is pretty clear that your privacy is a right. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
Nope, all that means that THE GOVERNMENT can’t search or seize without a warrant. It has nothing to do with privacy.
 

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Nope, all that means that THE GOVERNMENT can’t search or seize without a warrant. It has nothing to do with privacy.
I know you have a problem at times with paraphrasing, but that guarantee means privacy, whether you choose to accept it or not.
 

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What’s the reload time on an AR? 2 seconds?

What’s the reload time on a revolver or a Winchester or a bolt action rifle…even a shot gun?

A couple minutes?
AR about ten seconds for a well trained shooter, modern revolver, about the same, pump or semi auto shotgun twelve to fifteen seconds. Winchester perhaps twenty to thirty seconds depending on how the shooter carry’s his ammo, bolt action rifle anywhere from five seconds for a military rifle like a Lee Enfield, 1903 Springfield, or Mauser 98K that use stripper clips to ten seconds for something like a Remington 700. If you want to see how fast a bolt action rifle can be loaded and fired look up “enfield rifle mad minute” on UTube.
 
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it's a magazine, not a clip. and if it uses a magazine it's a semi-automatic and Biden wants to ban it.

The only handguns would be revolvers. The only rifles and shotguns bolt action, lever action, pump action.

Bolt action rifles sometimes use "clips", which are inserted from above into an internal magazine, usually 5 shots.

If you are going to talk about a topic, know what you are talking about.
they wouldn’t leave revolvers alone since they can be reloaded with speedloaders about as fast as a semiauto can by magazine change.
 
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So because you yourself feel powerless to do anything, nobody should try anything to save children at school. Pretty juvenile.
You protect kids in schools by providing proper, armed and trained security. Keeping external doors locked and controlling access points.
 

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