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The Afgans were in the stone age at the time and didn't know what lithium was, to say nothing how to use it. You can't get sustainable country and government without more or less sustainable economy. If the US had made some effort to develop the Afgan economy, it may well be we would see the failure we are seeing now.We weren't there to exploit them. The stupid thing is Afghanis were busy selling heroin when lithium is so much more valuable.
Nonsense. All we did was try and nation build. THAT was our stupidity. Our job was to make the enemy bleed. MOAB's are very good at that. Drop lots of them, then leave.The Afgans were in the stone age at the time and didn't know what lithium was, to say nothing how to use it. You can't get sustainable country and government without more or less sustainable economy. If the US had made some effort to develop the Afgan economy, it may well be we would see the failure we are seeing now.
That was a strange nation building. Pouring money into the Afgan government, elections, army, police and so on without developing the economy. Like building a plane with one wing.Nonsense. All we did was try and nation build. THAT was our stupidity. Our job was to make the enemy bleed. MOAB's are very good at that. Drop lots of them, then leave.
That was a strange nation building. Pouring money into the Afgan government, elections, army, police and so on without developing the economy. Like building a plane with one wing.
The goal of the Afgan campaign was ensuring that this country won't be the cradle and sanctuary for extremist military Islamic groups, btw.
www.theguardian.com
Looks like President Potatohead has turned our cloesest ally against us. The US has lost a lot of respect from the rest of the world and assured the domination of China.
Numerous members of the British Parliament slammed President Joe Biden this week in response to the catastrophe the president created in Afghanistan with his disastrous pullout and handling of the situation.
Members blamed Biden for the situation and shamed him for trying to cast blame on others, including the Afghan military. Many of the members said that America’s image was seriously damaged around the world and the West could suffer greatly in the years to come because nations may no longer trust the West to keep its promises.
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Lord Blencathra: “My Lords, all my life I have been pro-American and favourably disposed to the United States, but not any more at this moment. What Biden has done in Afghanistan will go down in ignominy as one of the most shameful and despicable acts of betrayal by any American President. Tens of thousands of men will be slaughtered, thousands of young girls forced to marry these Taliban brutes and 14 million women driven back into slavery. Afghanistan was emerging into the light with freedoms for women and children, who will now be ruled with 500 year-old barbaric religious laws. That is Biden’s legacy. He cannot blame it on Trump; Biden boasted that in his first 100 days he issued a record 24 executive orders, all of which were direct reversals of Trump policies. He should have listened to his generals and changed this policy also. This is not like Saigon; it is far worse. First, the retaliation against the population by Islamist fanatics is likely to be far greater than what the North Vietnamese did to the beaten south. Secondly, the appalling humanitarian crisis described in this House today will centre on Afghanistan but the terrorist consequences of this US sell-out will affect us all. The Viet Cong had no agenda outside Vietnam but Afghanistan is now under the control of Islamist fanatics who want to wage war on every western democracy. … Biden has put America back, all right—back into the bunker. The lesson for China is this: play a long game and America will not have the stomach to stick it out. China is a threat to world peace, but how can we now trust the US to lead the long battle against it? Biden may have condemned the world to Chinese domination in future and the end of western liberal democracy.”
www.independent.co.uk
The Afgans were in the stone age at the time and didn't know what lithium was, to say nothing how to use it. You can't get sustainable country and government without more or less sustainable economy. If the US had made some effort to develop the Afgan economy, it may well be we would see the failure we are seeing now.
Obama gave the Template for Governance of Afghanistan FOR EIGHT YEARS!! "Be like us" he said....and they did!!!That was a strange nation building. Pouring money into the Afgan government, elections, army, police and so on without developing the economy. Like building a plane with one wing.
The goal of the Afgan campaign was ensuring that this country won't be the cradle and sanctuary for extremist military Islamic groups, btw.
It's not like every rightie and most centrists on this board didn't see this coming before he even took office.
I love the way they suddenly give two shits about our allies, the people they hated and mocked when their orange deity was in office.
We never really had any real allies.Looks like President Potatohead has turned our cloesest ally against us. The US has lost a lot of respect from the rest of the world and assured the domination of China.
Numerous members of the British Parliament slammed President Joe Biden this week in response to the catastrophe the president created in Afghanistan with his disastrous pullout and handling of the situation.
Members blamed Biden for the situation and shamed him for trying to cast blame on others, including the Afghan military. Many of the members said that America’s image was seriously damaged around the world and the West could suffer greatly in the years to come because nations may no longer trust the West to keep its promises.
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Lord Blencathra: “My Lords, all my life I have been pro-American and favourably disposed to the United States, but not any more at this moment. What Biden has done in Afghanistan will go down in ignominy as one of the most shameful and despicable acts of betrayal by any American President. Tens of thousands of men will be slaughtered, thousands of young girls forced to marry these Taliban brutes and 14 million women driven back into slavery. Afghanistan was emerging into the light with freedoms for women and children, who will now be ruled with 500 year-old barbaric religious laws. That is Biden’s legacy. He cannot blame it on Trump; Biden boasted that in his first 100 days he issued a record 24 executive orders, all of which were direct reversals of Trump policies. He should have listened to his generals and changed this policy also. This is not like Saigon; it is far worse. First, the retaliation against the population by Islamist fanatics is likely to be far greater than what the North Vietnamese did to the beaten south. Secondly, the appalling humanitarian crisis described in this House today will centre on Afghanistan but the terrorist consequences of this US sell-out will affect us all. The Viet Cong had no agenda outside Vietnam but Afghanistan is now under the control of Islamist fanatics who want to wage war on every western democracy. … Biden has put America back, all right—back into the bunker. The lesson for China is this: play a long game and America will not have the stomach to stick it out. China is a threat to world peace, but how can we now trust the US to lead the long battle against it? Biden may have condemned the world to Chinese domination in future and the end of western liberal democracy.”
We never really had any real allies.
We're the ones who save their asses then they criticize the US for having such a military presence in the world.
YEah keep telling yourself that.Israel is an ally, as are Australia and Canada.
Yea, but that doesn't stop them from being pissed at Potatohead for putting their people at risk in Kabul.We never really had any real allies.
We're the ones who save their asses then they criticize the US for having such a military presence in the world.
Theaters and mini skirts you say. How many people did really enjoy this things? Some parts of Kabul?Stone age? They had movie theaters, cafes, international schools, rock and roll and mini skirts.
The world has known about Afghan's lithium and other abundant natural resources since 1960, but there was no demand and Afghanistan is landlocked.. so there was no way to get their stuff to market... The Chinese changed all that years ago.
You are talking about a pro war lord...Looks like President Potatohead has turned our cloesest ally against us. The US has lost a lot of respect from the rest of the world and assured the domination of China.
Numerous members of the British Parliament slammed President Joe Biden this week in response to the catastrophe the president created in Afghanistan with his disastrous pullout and handling of the situation.
Members blamed Biden for the situation and shamed him for trying to cast blame on others, including the Afghan military. Many of the members said that America’s image was seriously damaged around the world and the West could suffer greatly in the years to come because nations may no longer trust the West to keep its promises.
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Lord Blencathra: “My Lords, all my life I have been pro-American and favourably disposed to the United States, but not any more at this moment. What Biden has done in Afghanistan will go down in ignominy as one of the most shameful and despicable acts of betrayal by any American President. Tens of thousands of men will be slaughtered, thousands of young girls forced to marry these Taliban brutes and 14 million women driven back into slavery. Afghanistan was emerging into the light with freedoms for women and children, who will now be ruled with 500 year-old barbaric religious laws. That is Biden’s legacy. He cannot blame it on Trump; Biden boasted that in his first 100 days he issued a record 24 executive orders, all of which were direct reversals of Trump policies. He should have listened to his generals and changed this policy also. This is not like Saigon; it is far worse. First, the retaliation against the population by Islamist fanatics is likely to be far greater than what the North Vietnamese did to the beaten south. Secondly, the appalling humanitarian crisis described in this House today will centre on Afghanistan but the terrorist consequences of this US sell-out will affect us all. The Viet Cong had no agenda outside Vietnam but Afghanistan is now under the control of Islamist fanatics who want to wage war on every western democracy. … Biden has put America back, all right—back into the bunker. The lesson for China is this: play a long game and America will not have the stomach to stick it out. China is a threat to world peace, but how can we now trust the US to lead the long battle against it? Biden may have condemned the world to Chinese domination in future and the end of western liberal democracy.”
You need some what stability to generate an economy... It is a chicken and egg situation...The Afgans were in the stone age at the time and didn't know what lithium was, to say nothing how to use it. You can't get sustainable country and government without more or less sustainable economy. If the US had made some effort to develop the Afgan economy, it may well be we would see the failure we are seeing now.
Afghanistan in the 1960s was pretty modern...Theaters and mini skirts you say. How many people did really enjoy this things? Some parts of Kabul?
Why did the Chinese were able to do that, but the Americans weren't?
Nonsense. All we did was try and nation build. THAT was our stupidity. Our job was to make the enemy bleed. MOAB's are very good at that. Drop lots of them, then leave.
Well, I don't know what should have been done to develop the Afgan economy. Now, the talks about vast natural resources there are quite popular and how China will get them. We will see what will happen. Significant part of the resources there aren't easy to extract.You need some what stability to generate an economy... It is a chicken and egg situation...
The Afghan economy is largely based on selling drugs... Maybe US could have just bought it all wholesale and then pay them to sow alternative crops...
By the sounds of it... Growing opium isn't really a choice by the farmers either...
Probably-the family certainly is-but I believe that Joe Biden no longer has the ability to actually formulate the intent for treason. He is a doddering old man in an advancing case of senility.Biden is corrupt.
A simple phrase, but the key to everything that has gone down in the last 7 month. Biden is corrupt. He is bought off by various bad actors, particularly China.
Xi's man in the white house did PRECISELY what he was paid to do in the Afghan withdrawal. China laid out how they wanted this to go. Advanced weapon systems in the hands of the Taliban today will be in Beijing tomorrow. Rare earth metals such as lithium that are abundant in Afghanistan are now under the control of China.
Quid Pro isn't incompetent, he is corrupt and sold treason to the highest bidder. which was China.
