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Why? They are completely different tracks and any increases (both deserved) should be independent of each other.Only if retired folks get the same amount.
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Why? They are completely different tracks and any increases (both deserved) should be independent of each other.Only if retired folks get the same amount.
The EPA is a scumbag operation. Period. And nobody seems to want to rein them in.See I don’t see it that way. I don’t them as rats or hornets but as little different from workers elsewhere. When you talk about specific agencies, I think your issue is more with mission of those agencies then the peop,e employed there (and no one likes the IRS )
I see most as collectively decent working people like any other, with some that aren’t and a bureaucratic process that allows that. I have had interactions with government workers of all kinds, some good, some indifferent, some just collecting a paycheck, some grossly underpaid for their caseloads and some grossly overpaid to sign paperwork and play computerames.
I really doubt that is a valid comparison of total compensation packages and like-for-like job function comparisons.If enough people get them.
The federal pay gap spiked again in 2023
Members of an advisory panel that examines federal employee compensation issues on Tuesday recommended advocating new tactics to combat the federal-private sector pay disparity as well as pay compression.www.govexec.com
In 2023, federal workers made 27.54% less on average than their peers outside of government, marking the second straight year that the federal pay gap widened. Last year, the pay gap was 24.09%, itself an increase from the 22.47% disparity between federal employees and private sector workers in similar jobs in 2021.
What percent of the Fed Budget do you assume is taken up by pay and benefits for fed employees?
But federal salaries aren’t bloated, they aren’t even competitive with the private sector. Only 15% of Federal workers work in the DC metropolitan area. The DC metropolitan area actually ranks fourth in the concentration of federal workers and only 14% of it’s workforce works for the federal government.
It isn’t “bloated” federal salaries driving the cost of anything.
This goes to what I said in my prior post -- People have had it with the federal goobermint. For better or for worse, we've had it.But federal salaries aren’t bloated, they aren’t even competitive with the private sector. Only 15% of Federal workers work in the DC metropolitan area. The DC metropolitan area actually ranks fourth in the concentration of federal workers and only 14% of it’s workforce works for the federal government.
It isn’t “bloated” federal salaries driving the cost of anything.
I really doubt that is a valid comparison of total compensation packages and like-for-like job function comparisons.
My experience is that compared to private industry, government workers get a lot of perks and also don't have the pressures of real customers and firm schedules.
I also suspect that much of the supposed pay disparity comes from higher positions. Executives at private companies do make a lot more than most high-level government bureaucrats, even Fauci.
I am guessing here, because your link did not really provide many details, just a conclusion drawn by some pro-big-government website. No offense intended, just honest opinions.
Biden gives raises because his wrecked inflation and there is an election coming.
And he does it with the stroke of a pen. America is not doing the greatest lately. Do the federal workers actually deserve a raise? By what metric?
Any raise for a government worker should include a raise for retired folks.Why? They are completely different tracks and any increases (both deserved) should be independent of each other.
I am guessing that all the private contractors in DC are not counted as federal employees even when 100% of the work they do is for the fed. Booz-Allen Hamilton is DC's 7th largest employer after places like Georgetown Univ. and hospitals.But federal salaries aren’t bloated, they aren’t even competitive with the private sector. Only 15% of Federal workers work in the DC metropolitan area. The DC metropolitan area actually ranks fourth in the concentration of federal workers and only 14% of it’s workforce works for the federal government.
It isn’t “bloated” federal salaries driving the cost of anything.
There is no nurse anywhere that makes 17 an hour.VA nurses are severely underpaid. Just like nursing home workers. Talk about underpaid. So.e make like $17 per hour. That's pathetic.
And yes, most of the discrepancy is in the upper ranks and higher levels of education. A person with a HS Diploma could likely make more for the Govt than in the private sector.
do you believe there are enough Fed Employees in any one spot to make a difference in an election?
Well, another way of looking at it is this: federal pay lags far behind the private sector. Government workers, in 2022 earn 27.54 less in wages than private sector counterparts.I am guessing that all the private contractors in DC are not counted as federal employees even when 100% of the work they do is for the fed. Booz-Allen Hamilton is DC's 7th largest employer after places like Georgetown Univ. and hospitals.
We can disagree on the bloat. I am entirely unconvinced.
Average salary of $80k in 2022.
U.S. Federal Government Employee Lookup
www.federalpay.org
10% raise over the past two years (without promotion). Do they deserve it? Have the average American workers received 10%? Has the fed done such a great job for America that we are on our way to riches with a booming private sector, low crime, problem-free travel, low prices, cheap and abundant energy? Rhetorical questions, but you can see my point of view. Like Flash, I think the government does a lot of harm with the money we are forced to feed it.
I've got no problem with good raises for good, essential employees. That can be accomplished with promotions normally.
CLOA is 3.2%, but pay raise for everybody is 5.2%? Have they earned this right to take more of the average taxpayer's pay? By what metric?
Regards,
Jim
Who gave him that authority?? Unless Cola shouldnt the purse be authirized by Congress.
Oh I firgot we are a Banana Republic and kings can do as they please.
Our country is fucked
Well, it seems to have worked in the Gator household.
Benefits make those wages much larger. And when the country hits hard times they dont get hit.Well, another way of looking at it is this: federal pay lags far behind the private sector. Government workers, in 2022 earn 27.54 less in wages than private sector counterparts.
Biden signed an EO to give federal workers an average pay raise starting in January of 5.2%
Executive Order on Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay | The White House
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Statutory Pay Systems. The rates of basic pay or salaries of the statutory pay systems (as defined in 5 U.S.C. 5302(1)), as adjusted...www.whitehouse.gov
Biden signs order finalizing 5.2% pay raise for feds in 2024
The measure confirms that the federal workforce will see its largest pay increase in more than 40 years.www.govexec.com
This is after a 4.6% pay raise in 2023...
Here are the actual pay raises federal employees will see in 2023, depending on their location
President Joe Biden signed an executive order on Dec. 23 to make the average 4.6% federal pay raise official for civilian employees. But the exact raise you get depends on where you work.federalnewsnetwork.com
"Despite the fact that federal agencies are still operating without a full budget, Biden’s order cements the pay raise for 2024. Unless Congress quibbles with Biden’s figure in another CR or in the Financial Services and General Government bill, the pay raise defers to the President’s authority."
Federal employees cleared for 5.2% pay raise in 2024
It’s the largest base pay increase since the Carter administration nearly 40 years ago.www.federaltimes.com
Most federal workers still work from home part time...
Most Federal Employees Are Still Teleworking | FedSmith.com
The 2023 FEVS results show that most federal employees are still teleworking after the pandemic.www.fedsmith.com
Meanwhile, social security recipients will get a 3.2% cost of living adjustment in 2024 while the costs of food, shelter and energy have skyrocketed.
Biden sure is good at spending other people's money. The bloated fed balloons further.
It's an election yearBiden signed an EO to give federal workers an average pay raise starting in January of 5.2%
Executive Order on Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay | The White House
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Statutory Pay Systems. The rates of basic pay or salaries of the statutory pay systems (as defined in 5 U.S.C. 5302(1)), as adjusted...www.whitehouse.gov
Biden signs order finalizing 5.2% pay raise for feds in 2024
The measure confirms that the federal workforce will see its largest pay increase in more than 40 years.www.govexec.com
This is after a 4.6% pay raise in 2023...
Here are the actual pay raises federal employees will see in 2023, depending on their location
President Joe Biden signed an executive order on Dec. 23 to make the average 4.6% federal pay raise official for civilian employees. But the exact raise you get depends on where you work.federalnewsnetwork.com
"Despite the fact that federal agencies are still operating without a full budget, Biden’s order cements the pay raise for 2024. Unless Congress quibbles with Biden’s figure in another CR or in the Financial Services and General Government bill, the pay raise defers to the President’s authority."
Federal employees cleared for 5.2% pay raise in 2024
It’s the largest base pay increase since the Carter administration nearly 40 years ago.www.federaltimes.com
Most federal workers still work from home part time...
Most Federal Employees Are Still Teleworking | FedSmith.com
The 2023 FEVS results show that most federal employees are still teleworking after the pandemic.www.fedsmith.com
Meanwhile, social security recipients will get a 3.2% cost of living adjustment in 2024 while the costs of food, shelter and energy have skyrocketed.
Biden sure is good at spending other people's money. The bloated fed balloons further.