Americans are presently paying 90% of the tariffs put up by Trump. That is an additional $1,000 per year, per household

[Woodznutz]

FALSE AND FAKE

Debt and Obligations exceed three hundred trillion .

Separately , If Derivatives fall as they soon will, their Debt alone will exceed one quadrillion which itself is 1000 trillion .

There is zero possibility of even coming close to clearing debt .

Not within a light year of trying .

Some debt holders may have to take a bath. Happens all the time.

 

[luiza]

Some debt holders may have to take a bath. Happens all the time.

A bath ?

It will make the Wall Street Depression look like a birthday party in comparison .
The first stages of this cataclysmic disaster are on our doorstep right now .

It will be interesting to see how Trumpfy delays matters ----- massive Quantitative Easing and more wars are routes .

I favour him monetising all mineral assets lying under the ground regardless of location -- as Intel suggests .
This could raise up to an estimated 150 trillion of new paper assets and might be part of the Grand Reset .
It was marked for July 4 , but latest news is that it has to be pulled forward to this May .

Let's hope the current Debt system can last until then .

 

[Woodznutz]

A bath ?

Why not? SS recipients may have to take a 20 percent bath come 2034.

Greece was faced with national bankruptcy a few years ago. Shareholders and stakeholders were gathered and told to accept a huge "bath" or the country would go down the drain. They sucked up and did it and averted economic disaster.

Economy - GreekReporter.com

 

[80zephyr]

When the rich get richer the rest of us do as well
When the government gets richer we all get poorer
When the rich get rich they need services by the middle class and create the growth ladder. Many in the MC become rich.

Yes, the Middle Class Is Shrinking—Because It's Moving Up​

Yes, the middle class is shrinking—because it's moving up

When more families cross into the upper middle class, that's a success. Don't let politicians sabotage upward mobility.

reason.com

 

[80zephyr]

Let me once again call you a baby

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Trickle-Down Economics: Four Reasons Why It Just Doesn't Work​

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Hafar, I HONESTLY suggest that you go back to school and learn how to think

I do not remember having met anyone as misinformed or even ignorant like you.

It is sad to see, given that you do know how to get into a computer and type and babies are not able to do that, meaning that you have "enough" knowledge on how to use a computer..............but that is where your knowledge ends.

Sad!

 

[Luckyone]

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that is not surprising because the ONLY people that watch and listen to Trump's speeches are his followers.

Most people (like me), avoid watching that liar lie the way he does. I personally only watched a FEW minutes of the speech, and even then, I almost threw up!

If you watched all 109 minutes of his SOTU speech (longest in history), you have to be a cult member that believes everything he said. In fact, the fact that it was ONLY 64% that believes that Trump's policies will move us in the right direction, is a negative to Trump. With most of those speech watchers likely being Trump supporters, the number should have been above 90%

 

[Slyhunter]

Americans will continue to pay. Trump's inability to overcome his tariff addiction will significantly impact the midterms. There is no escape for Republicans.

... "For a consumer, it doesn't really matter what authority that the president calls on to impose the tariff," says Carola Binder, an economics professor at the The University of Texas at Austin School of Civic Leadership. "Some particular tariffs might go down. And so that would mean that prices of particular goods could go down, but the overall level would remain pretty high."​

Goldman Sachs analysts seem to agree.​

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"We estimate that the further impact on consumer prices will be minor from here," the analysts wrote over the weekend, noting that the "bulk" of companies passing on extra tariff costs to consumers has already occurred.​

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Similarly, analysis from the Peterson Institute said tariff rates "are set to be similar overall to their level prior to the court ruling, so consumers will continue to feel this tax increase. Prices will likely be higher at the store because the longer tariffs last, in whatever form, the more their costs are passed through to consumers."​

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/25/nx-s1-5724002/trump-tariffs-consumer-prices

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Americans are already paying for Tariffs other countries put on us in the form o lost jobs, an lost tax revenues from companies who move to those countries. And worse those countries like China who uses slave labor.

 

[Slyhunter]

Yes, the Middle Class Is Shrinking—Because It's Moving Up​

Yes, the middle class is shrinking—because it's moving up

When more families cross into the upper middle class, that's a success. Don't let politicians sabotage upward mobility.

reason.com

The poor are increasing in population.

 

[schmidlap]

Americans are already paying for Tariffs other countries put on us in the form o lost jobs, an lost tax revenues from companies who move to those countries. And worse those countries like China who uses slave labor.

Whether you can document your claims aside, Americans are footing the enormous bill of Trump tatiffs:

• The 2025 US tariffs are an own goal: American importers and consumers bear nearly the entire cost. Foreign exporters absorb only about 4% of the tariff burden—the remaining 96% is passed through to US buyers.

• Using shipment-level data covering over 25 million transactions valued at nearly $4 trillion, we find near-complete pass-through of tariffs to US import prices.

• US customs revenue surged by approximately $200 billion in 2025—a tax paid almost entirely by Americans.

America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs? - Kiel Institute

www.kielinstitut.de

 

[80zephyr]

Whether you can document your claims aside, Americans are footing the enormous bill of Trump tatiffs:

• The 2025 US tariffs are an own goal: American importers and consumers bear nearly the entire cost. Foreign exporters absorb only about 4% of the tariff burden—the remaining 96% is passed through to US buyers.

• Using shipment-level data covering over 25 million transactions valued at nearly $4 trillion, we find near-complete pass-through of tariffs to US import prices.

• US customs revenue surged by approximately $200 billion in 2025—a tax paid almost entirely by Americans.

America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs? - Kiel Institute

www.kielinstitut.de

Manufacturing is a matter of national security.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The poor are increasing in population.

15 million unskilled Biden illegal aliens increased our poor population.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The 2025 US tariffs are an own goal: American importers and consumers bear nearly the entire cost.

How much was paid by the importers?

 

[Slyhunter]

Whether you can document your claims aside, Americans are footing the enormous bill of Trump tatiffs:

• The 2025 US tariffs are an own goal: American importers and consumers bear nearly the entire cost. Foreign exporters absorb only about 4% of the tariff burden—the remaining 96% is passed through to US buyers.

• Using shipment-level data covering over 25 million transactions valued at nearly $4 trillion, we find near-complete pass-through of tariffs to US import prices.

• US customs revenue surged by approximately $200 billion in 2025—a tax paid almost entirely by Americans.

America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs? - Kiel Institute

www.kielinstitut.de

Tariffs are an additional cost to merchandise that all pay including tourists and immigrants legal or otherwise. Citizens get cash refunds via taxes which counters the additional cost of tariffs to them.

Second, we can have cheap goods at the expense of the profits going to another countries businesses, or, via tariffs, our own thus producing jobs. Additionally, we can buy cheap goods from Chinese slave factories, usually Uighurs in China, or Somali's and other Africans in Chinese Mining operations in Africa or we can spend a little more to pay Americans to make them, a lofty idea I believe.

Your counter argument promotes Slavery and the loss of American jobs in order to have lower costs, which is terrible imo. Even if cost is increased I think it's worth it, considering the alternative.

 

[luiza]

Why not? SS recipients may have to take a 20 percent bath come 2034.

Greece was faced with national bankruptcy a few years ago. Shareholders and stakeholders were gathered and told to accept a huge "bath" or the country would go down the drain. They sucked up and did it and averted economic disaster.

No comparison whatsoever . Size wise , a peanut versus a ten course banquet .
This time when the first big bank needs rescuing there is a queue of others right behind. them .
All on the brink right now .
Same Domino effect in Housing and Commercial Properties .

And if the Derivatives market implodes , we could drop back a couple of hundred years .

If the full picture is all too much for you , ask yourself why Warren Buffet went "Cash" moons ago , and why the Precious Metal markets are outperforming everything else .

 

[Luckyone]

Tariffs are an additional cost to merchandise that all pay including tourists and immigrants legal or otherwise. Citizens get cash refunds via taxes which counters the additional cost of tariffs to them.

Second, we can have cheap goods at the expense of the profits going to another countries businesses, or, via tariffs, our own thus producing jobs. Additionally, we can buy cheap goods from Chinese slave factories, usually Uighurs in China, or Somali's and other Africans in Chinese Mining operations in Africa or we can spend a little more to pay Americans to make them, a lofty idea I believe.

Your counter argument promotes Slavery and the loss of American jobs in order to have lower costs, which is terrible imo. Even if cost is increased I think it's worth it, considering the alternative.

Your explanation of what happens with tariffs is fantasy

Don't take it from me, take it from Republican hero president Ronald Reagan

 

[luiza]

Your explanation of what happens with tariffs is fantasy

Don't take it from me, take it from Republican hero president Ronald Reagan

Someone bludgeon Mucky and tell him that RR is long dead and that comparing Apples and Pears is bad and Fake practise and Thinking .

 

[schmidlap]

Tariffs are an additional cost to merchandise that all pay including tourists and immigrants legal or otherwise. Citizens get cash refunds via taxes which counters the additional cost of tariffs to them.

Second, we can have cheap goods at the expense of the profits going to another countries businesses, or, via tariffs, our own thus producing jobs. Additionally, we can buy cheap goods from Chinese slave factories, usually Uighurs in China, or Somali's and other Africans in Chinese Mining operations in Africa or we can spend a little more to pay Americans to make them, a lofty idea I believe.

Your counter argument promotes Slavery and the loss of American jobs in order to have lower costs, which is terrible imo. Even if cost is increased I think it's worth it, considering the alternative.

Tump's unconstitutional tariffs have been, in effect, a huge tax increase on the American consumer, and the likelihood of anything more than a paltry refund is highly unlikely.

American businesses and shoppers paid the vast majority of the billions of dollars collected for the emergency tariffs that the Supreme Court recently ruled illegal. Companies are now pushing to get their money back. But can shoppers expect their own refund?​

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"And if you do, it'll be pennies on the dollar," Shapiro said.​

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The roughly $180 billion collected under the struck-down tariffs, according to an estimate by Goldman Sachs, was typically paid for directly by businesses, and indirectly by consumers through higher prices. Because those companies often paid the actual customs bill, any refund from the federal government would go to them.​

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Shoppers will have to wait for companies to get their refunds before any potential reimbursements might trickle down to them. And that could take a while. Trump suggested the question of whether the government has to refund those tariffs could be tied up in lawsuits​

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"I guess it has to get litigated over for​

the next two years"​

Trump said during a press conference after the Supreme Court's decision.​

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/26/nx-s1-5726843/tariff-refund-american-shoppers

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[luiza]

How much was paid -----

Seems you live in a private Universe --- along with gremlins presumably .

You think that matters which have not yet even occuured, but which might / could happen , are Fake possibilities /probabilities .
ROFL

IT'S
Back to school , and concentrate on General Comprehension.
Aren't you the same guy who could not undersrtand the PMs market and muddled yourself repeately about its workings ?

Silver up from 72 bottom to around 90 . As forecast .
Gold similar .

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Seems you live in a private Universe --- along with gremlins presumably .

You think that matters which have not yet even occuured, but which might / could happen , are Fake possibilities /probabilities .
ROFL

IT'S
Back to school , and concentrate on General Comprehension.
Aren't you the same guy who could not undersrtand the PMs market and muddled yourself repeately about its workings ?

Silver up from 72 bottom to around 90 . As forecast .
Gold similar .

Next time tell me when you buy and at what price, real time.
And when you sell, real time.

And explain why are derivatives going to turn into debt?

 

[luiza]

Next time tell me when you buy and at what price, real time.
And when you sell, real time.

And explain why are derivatives going to turn into debt?

You go to night school old chap , or invest in a few simple primers .

You can buy my knowledge but you cannot afford the price .
However , if you had bought Gold /Silver as told , you would be able to splash out .