Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.yournews.com
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
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Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...www.texastribune.org
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
Biden Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Why would you do that against California or New York?I am going to have to remember this the next time there is a wildfire in California, or NYC gets hit by a hurricane or a pandemic....for that matter when Portland is set a blaze by rioters, and shops are robbed, looted and the likeNo one owes them or their families anything; nor is it the local governments responsibility to support them during trying times like that! Sink or swim, it’s their choice! The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes them NOTHING!Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
I of course wouldn't...but if I were to use the logic you are using against Texas, then I would have to
Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
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LOLWhy would you do that against California or New York?I am going to have to remember this the next time there is a wildfire in California, or NYC gets hit by a hurricane or a pandemic....for that matter when Portland is set a blaze by rioters, and shops are robbed, looted and the likeNo one owes them or their families anything; nor is it the local governments responsibility to support them during trying times like that! Sink or swim, it’s their choice! The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes them NOTHING!Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
I of course wouldn't...but if I were to use the logic you are using against Texas, then I would have to
Huh? What logic is that? You don't even know.
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Sorry, they still have to follow Federal Regulations from the DOE....in particular ones dealing with enviromental regulations......they are simply run by a different entity their own.1) they aren't disconnectedSo by your logic, Texas shouldn't of asked if the Biden Admin would relax the Enviromental regs so they could produce more energy? They should have just ignored it?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Americans are under no obligation to help texas with their energy grid
what the fuck are you talking about?
They are the only state in the union with their own, if they can't maintain it they can go fuck themselves
They wanted independence, they got it.
How anyone could blame Biden for this when even Rick Perry was smart enough to know this would happen is absurd.
They should have dealt with it themselves that was the assumption when they disconnected from the literal rest of the continental US's grid
We are under no obligation to help them if they've opted out. They (the feds) are obligated to ensure our side of the grid runs well.
Texas is on it's fucking won.
These dumb fucks were talking about succession last week
2) they attempt to, but they had to request a waiver of a Federal Reg....they can't just violate Federal laws
3) then the Biden admin should have simply relaxed the reg instead of making them buy off other grids causing rolling blackouts there
Yes they are disconnected in a regulatory sense and every other sense
You're confused about what Biden did
Biden is under no obligation to crash Oklahoma's grid for Texas
Fuck texas. What texans want they weren't going to get. Middle of a snowstorm yea your'e not going to destabilize the eastern grid
You can freeze you dumb fucks
"boo hoo biden didn't help us"
Do you retards think there wasn't a snow storm in the rest of the country?
Not at all....read the Order
I agree....but his order caused rolling blackouts on other grids....bad order.
They didn't want to....in fact they request not to....but the Biden Admin's order made them do just that....there were large rolling blackouts in Arkansas for example
I didn't see a requirement for any other state to sell electricity to Texas in that order.
Huh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Well the state wasn't the one that was selling it, the FERC would have been, which is part of the DOESorry, they still have to follow Federal Regulations from the DOE....in particular ones dealing with enviromental regulations......they are simply run by a different entity their own.1) they aren't disconnectedSo by your logic, Texas shouldn't of asked if the Biden Admin would relax the Enviromental regs so they could produce more energy? They should have just ignored it?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Americans are under no obligation to help texas with their energy grid
what the fuck are you talking about?
They are the only state in the union with their own, if they can't maintain it they can go fuck themselves
They wanted independence, they got it.
How anyone could blame Biden for this when even Rick Perry was smart enough to know this would happen is absurd.
They should have dealt with it themselves that was the assumption when they disconnected from the literal rest of the continental US's grid
We are under no obligation to help them if they've opted out. They (the feds) are obligated to ensure our side of the grid runs well.
Texas is on it's fucking won.
These dumb fucks were talking about succession last week
2) they attempt to, but they had to request a waiver of a Federal Reg....they can't just violate Federal laws
3) then the Biden admin should have simply relaxed the reg instead of making them buy off other grids causing rolling blackouts there
Yes they are disconnected in a regulatory sense and every other sense
You're confused about what Biden did
Biden is under no obligation to crash Oklahoma's grid for Texas
Fuck texas. What texans want they weren't going to get. Middle of a snowstorm yea your'e not going to destabilize the eastern grid
You can freeze you dumb fucks
"boo hoo biden didn't help us"
Do you retards think there wasn't a snow storm in the rest of the country?
Not at all....read the Order
I agree....but his order caused rolling blackouts on other grids....bad order.
They didn't want to....in fact they request not to....but the Biden Admin's order made them do just that....there were large rolling blackouts in Arkansas for example
I didn't see a requirement for any other state to sell electricity to Texas in that order.
Huh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Yea your power grid going down and texan society collapsing no big deal
Osiris-ODS
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Exactly. If Texas said prepared for a mini Ica Age, they'd be called "Global Warming Deniers."Bullshit. The gas pipes froze, the windmills froze, the water lines froze all because the governor did not winterize.Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Why the FUCK does Texas need to "Winterize"?????? I thought we were in the middle of unprecedented manmade global warming????
That's why they changed the terminology to "climate change." It's a catch-all, so they can attribute any and all weather conditions to this "man made phenomenon" (i.e., the religion of climate change).
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Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
That was the whole idea of having a separate grid, to avoid federal regulations. However the EPA has regulations that the power generators still must comply with. Texas has it's own regulations for it's grid, and they don't include a requirement to winterize the equipment. That's what caused the power to go out. Not the feds.
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Huh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Yea your power grid going down and texan society collapsing no big deal
Everything is peachy now. no collapse is on the way.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
The Biden energy department has mandated that every home in the arctic circle must have industrial air conditioning in anticipation of a three day heat wave. Temps are forecast to reach 90. China Joe also mandated that energy used to power the $10B AC units must come from wind farms in the lower 48 at a cost of $50B. Biden was quoted as saying The new green deal will save us all.Bullshit. The gas pipes froze, the windmills froze, the water lines froze all because the governor did not winterize.Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Why the FUCK does Texas need to "Winterize"?????? I thought we were in the middle of unprecedented manmade global warming????
Huh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Yea your power grid going down and texan society collapsing no big deal
Everything is peachy now. no collapse is on the way.
Only because the cold didn't last
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Huh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Yea your power grid going down and texan society collapsing no big deal
Everything is peachy now. no collapse is on the way.
Only because the cold didn't last
It never does down here. Hell the wife wanted to run the AC yesterday afternoon!
Biden probably caused that tree to fall in a rainstorm while Perry was out jogging, which broke his back, and caused Perry to sue the homeowner, which caused Perry to have to go to law school and become a lawyer pushing tort reform to keep people from suing. Poor Texas.
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When you push an agenda, you must be efficient. And Progs are not efficient in many agendas. Back in 1970 the predictions of the oceans rising and overwhelming all the coasts of the world in short time did not happen. South Jersey was supposed to be under water with the ocean lapping up against Philadelphia. Half of Florida was supposed to be under water also. What happened? There are changes a bit to areas and beaches and barrier islands. Most of it is mother nature that is natural to the earth over billions of years with influence from the sun.Bullshit. The gas pipes froze, the windmills froze, the water lines froze all because the governor did not winterize.Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Why the FUCK does Texas need to "Winterize"?????? I thought we were in the middle of unprecedented manmade global warming????
Why you ask?? Because they had a huge winter storm, global warming notwithstanding. And it is not just global warming, lambchop. It is FUCKING
climate change. Got it yet?
It's like Y2K or the Mayan calendar, except they stick with the doom and gloom narrative when their predictions fail to come true. They just bump the doomsday date forward by another decade or so and pretend like their prior predictions never happened.
Yeah...it's Texas...the cold doesn't last....if it did, and was often, you would have seen much better protections on the windmills and suchHuh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Yea your power grid going down and texan society collapsing no big deal
Everything is peachy now. no collapse is on the way.
Only because the cold didn't last
The DOE still has regulations it must comply with....Federal law always trumps.Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
That was the whole idea of having a separate grid, to avoid federal regulations. However the EPA has regulations that the power generators still must comply with. Texas has it's own regulations for it's grid, and they don't include a requirement to winterize the equipment. That's what caused the power to go out. Not the feds.
However, the ERCOT doesn't have to comply with the FEMC management
I don't live in Texas...and the grid is back in Texas, and society did not collapse..Huh? What did I have control over? and who?Maybe if Texas can start simply ignoring federal regulations as many on here suggested they could have since they operate their own grib....they never would have.Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
To let our power plant freeze, we don't need his permission.
YOU HAD CONTROL YOU DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO WINTERIZE
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
THERE IS NO PROFIT MOTIVE TO WINTERIZE FOR ONCE A DECADE STORMS. THEY WILL LET YOU FREEZE THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Huh?
I don't disagree.....I don't think it's really all that big a deal, and frankly the issues would have likely been less, had they been able to waive the Enviromental reg they requested without having to buy from other sources.....but then again there would have been no profit for those grids run by the FERC, which is part of the DOE.
Yea your power grid going down and texan society collapsing no big deal
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<crickets>LOLWhy would you do that against California or New York?I am going to have to remember this the next time there is a wildfire in California, or NYC gets hit by a hurricane or a pandemic....for that matter when Portland is set a blaze by rioters, and shops are robbed, looted and the likeNo one owes them or their families anything; nor is it the local governments responsibility to support them during trying times like that! Sink or swim, it’s their choice! The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes them NOTHING!Next time Texas needs to not even ask President Asterisk.Opinion? No, it's in the Order. Apparently you haven't actually read itWhere in the heck do you get that opinion from?Well maybe you should read the Order in the link.....they refused to lift Enviromental regs that capped their output., until they used all other means....such as buying energy from others, hence the massive bills we are seeing.How did the Biden administration stop texas from increasing power to their grid, which they deregulated and isolated specifically to avoid federal oversight?Crazy Uncle Joe killed more Americans this month than Middle East Muslims.
Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm – [your]NEWS
A week before, Texas begged for help and asked for DOE to lift federal regulations barring state's energy output.
Could you stop with the lies and conspiracies, just for one day?
The fact that Texas grid is run by a seperate entity then the rest of the grids, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to follow federal laws, and regulations....such as Enviro regs.
NOT the order....
The order authorized Texas to do what they gotta do, to keep their electricity, up and running.
The connections Texas has to other grids is limited, which in turn limits the amount of power that can be transferred from other grids to Texas and vice versa.
So the order to buy what they can from other sources was easily fulfilled and it had nothing to do with the outrageous bills some people got. That's a different de-regulation story.
It's not limited anymore then any of the other grids are limited.
The order is clear as day.....and that is why the bills are so high
View attachment 460781
Texas’ grid is also mostly isolated from other areas of the country, a set up designed to avoid federal regulation. It has some connectivity to Mexico and to the Eastern U.S. grid, but those ties have limits on what they can transmit. The Eastern U.S. is also facing the same winter storm that is creating a surge in power demand. That means that Texas has been unable to get much help from other areas.
Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say
Texas officials knew winter storms could leave the state’s power grid vulnerable, but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades. That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the...
My bill is not high at all. My electricity is based on the Natural Gas price index with a max cap. The people who got hammered didn't read the fine print in their contract for wholesale power with no cap on the price.
I of course wouldn't...but if I were to use the logic you are using against Texas, then I would have to
Huh? What logic is that? You don't even know.
What's your logic? Is it because I'm Liberal and those are Liberal cities and states?
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