Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[francoHFW]

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We over utilize the E.R. because that is the only way thousands of people can afford treatment. That is, they don't have to pay up front. When all of these people get treated at an E.R. they do not pay the bill. Those with insurance pay their bill.

Why would you be against a system that would make them contribute to the system?

I've asked this 4-5 times now and no one answered.

The best system would be that the government stayed out of the health care business.

You pay for your health care and I pay for mine. That is the best way. Then I wouldn't have to worry about having my cost being jacked up because somebody else is getting it for free.

If I chose to join an insurance pool that meets my needs then it fine. The last thing I need is for the filthy government to regulate the insurance companies or the medical care industry. That ***** everything up. It really drives the cost up.

I have asked you several times what is wrong with that and you have yet to give an answer.

The answer is not more government interference or reshuffling the kind of interference. It is the government not doing any interference.

Sure sure, that GOP non system works great unless you get sick or have a big accident and get cut off. Meanwhile those with pre-existing conditions are just out of luck right? The problem is you are incredibly short-sighted and selfish brainwashed functional moron. You do have to pay more when it is guaranteed LOL.... Except in some red states of course. Great job!

 

[francoHFW]

Imagine if it were a real monopoly, if there was only one insurance company. And you couldn't even refuse to pay your "premiums", because it had merged with the government, and the premiums were your taxes. Wouldn't that be a nightmare scenario?

A monopoly does not imply there is just one insurance company.
What it means is that you are unable to negotiate fairly because there is a monolithic control working against you.
That can be price fixing by many companies, or a government mandate.
It just means something is monopolizing your choices.
For example, a mafia protection racket is a monopoly by the threat of force if you do not comply.

But the government is not a monopoly because you get to vote and the people collectively control it.
It works for you instead of trying to gain profit out of you.
And public health care in no country has at all precluded private insurance or health care.
It just provides a minimal safety net as competition, in order to break the health insurance monopoly.

Yes, yes. It's all fine and dandy because we get to vote! What, once every four years, cast a vote for a representative and hope he or she votes the way you want on legislation??

You know how many votes it takes to fire a private insurance company if I don't like the way they do things? Just one. Mine. And there are other insurance companies. Granted, they operate in a rigged game propped up by ill-conceived regulation, but the obvious answer to that problem is to remove the legislation propping them up. Not to pass more.

Actually the House is completely re-elected every 2 years. The Senate is elected for 6 years but 33% is elected every 2 years. The president, of course, is elected every 4 years.

There is a interested well-informed GOP voter LOL. Doesn't even know how often the House of Representatives is elected. Incredible how much they don't know. Like the GOP is the swamp, we have a give away to the rich flat tax system if you count all taxes. Whatever you do don't change that channel, brainwashed functional morons...

 

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[Weatherman2020]

And free healthcare! Just like Canada so we can wait 19 months for a pacemaker!

The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.

In the U.S. it's 78.5.

We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.

I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.

Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).

All the top countries have universal health care.

That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.

 

[francoHFW]

The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.

In the U.S. it's 78.5.

We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.

I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.

Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).

All the top countries have universal health care.

That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.

because the GOP refuses a good ID card like other countries have so anybody can come here and get a job pay taxes own his house etc etc etc?

 

[Weatherman2020]

We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.

I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.

Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).

All the top countries have universal health care.

That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.

because the GOP refuses a good ID card like other countries have so anybody can come here and get a job pay taxes own his house etc etc etc?

ID’s are racist.
Sanctuary cities and States.
Tipping off illegals of raids.
No borders.
Keep your bullshit lies straight.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, Medicare and Medicaid is paying the only valid portion of the bill.
What we have to do is stop the insurance companies from paying more of the bill than Medicare does.
The current bills are incredibly fake and inflated.
That is the whole problem of 3rd party payer, they LIKE inflated bills because then everyone absolutely needs to have insurance even more.
The whole problem is 3rd party payer, who does not care about quality or cost.
The patient can do nothing because they already prepaid.
It is like prepaid legal service, can not possibly ever work.

It's worked very well for generations. Handing it over to government is the stupidest thing we could possibly do. Government is a huge reason why our healthcare is so expensive to begin with.

For generations the cost to deliver a baby was around $100.

{...
The average total price charged for pregnancy and newborn care is about $30,000 for a vaginal delivery and $50,000 for a C-section, with insurers paying out an average of $18,329 and $27,866, according to a recent report by Truven Health Analytics.
...}

That is more than just inflation.

100 years ago the doctor came to the house, there was no nurse, and the woman delivered the baby in her bed. Maybe had a sister or mom or neighbor there to help.

Now you have all kind of machines, a couple of nurses doing various things, and and a whole office full of people to do the paperwork. That is expensive.

I was not quoting what happened 100 years ago in the home. I am quoting actual hospital charges.

A lot of doctors got out of the baby business because the malpractice is so high. Women who are addicted to drugs or alcohol try to have a baby, then sue the doctor when it doesn't come out right or still born. We have more professional women every year, and they often put off having a child until their 30's. They go to school, then concentrate on paying off their college loans, and by the time all that is done, they are only then capable of financially having a child. The later you wait, the less your chances of a successful delivery, and again, they sue the doctors and hospitals when that doesn't happen.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What’s the world ranking of Cuban healthcare according to the list you use?

79. Higher than the United States.

Life Expectancy in United States

Thanks for making my point. Your rankings are BS, nobody goes to Cuba for healthcare.

BTW, 2 second search.

So These the "Bad Hombres" Trump Wants to Get Rid Of?

You can put the money in my PayPal.

Wrong!
Not only do thousands of people go to Cuba for health care each year, but teams of Cuban health providers are hired to come to other countries to deal with medical problems, like epidemics, etc.
Cuba has much better health care than the US in general. Just not some of the top, over paid, specialists.

Do you go to Cuba? No!

Can you name a single person who did? No!

Can you name a single American treated by one of these imaginary Cuban doctors? No!

I have never needed any significant medical treatment yet.
Just minor things like stitches.

But I know people who went to Cuba for cosmetic surgery, hip replacement, cancer treatment, etc.

Sure you do

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.

From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.

In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.

This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.

My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?

If you go to the ER and claim you have severe head pain, chest pain, etc. They have to run tests to determine if have really serious life threaten stuff like a stroke, heart attack, aneurysm, or dozens of other things. That usually means they have to do things like MRIs, CT Scans, EKGs, angiogram, etc. Of course it all depends on your medical history, age, etc. A healthy 22 year old would not get the same attention as 78 year with numerous health problems. Those that are homeless, destitute, illegal immigrants, and mentally disturbed are likely to get above average diagnostic services because of lack medical history and their life style.

In many hospitals, admission through the ER is very common, about 20%.

Bernie is not going to raise taxes on anyone. He won't be around at election time. It is people my age that vote most consistently and he is polling about 3% in my group. Republicans can quit worrying about the country going full socialist. It is stawman bullshit and ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, I am not a Democrat, and still wouldn't vote for Trump even with your vote or six of your dead relatives on absentee.

It isn't going to happen because no one is running on "full socialism" so your claim is easy to make. Bernie is running on expanding the system we already have in place. A system that those who are on support.

Nothing happens overnight when it comes to government. Look at the problems Commie Care created when that went into effect. Slowly they use steps to incrementally get what they want, sort of like the fog in the cold pot of water on the stove.

The Communists said decades ago they will take over the US, but without one bullet being fired. They will takeover from within, and that's what we are experiencing with liberalism today, or progressivism, or Democrat Socialism, or whatever they refer to Communism these days.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Like the millions of illegals who get healthcare in America? They’re all RICH!

They do not get healthcare. I do not know why you want to continue with something you know is false. They can access emergency care.

Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

 

[Weatherman2020]

They do not get healthcare. I do not know why you want to continue with something you know is false. They can access emergency care.

Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

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He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Illegals don’t get healthcare in America?

Youre a friggen troll

The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.

From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.

In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.

This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.

My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?

Actually they do, because they face the same liability as your family doctor. They make sure all their bases are covered in the event of a lawsuit.

My grandson broke his collarbone the other day. The E.R. diagnosed the break and gave them a cheap sling BUT then they had to go to a specialist. One that will ask for your method of payment up front.

Of course they do, but I'm sure he had to take x-rays and various other tests. I was in the ER a few years ago. I passed out from low sugar. Anyway, the doctor refused to release me until he took a cat scan. I insisted I was going to go home and screw the test because I didn't hurt myself, but he told me he'd summon the guards to make sure I didn't leave.

What he did was illegal, and I could have went to the police station and filed a kidnapping charge on him, but my father, who was there to drive me home, talked me out of it. The point is, the doctor was scared to let me go unless I participated in everything to keep him from possibly getting sued.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And free healthcare! Just like Canada so we can wait 19 months for a pacemaker!

The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.

In the U.S. it's 78.5.

We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.

I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.

Life expectancy depends on a lot of things, not just healthcare. After all, when do most of our people die? When they're on government healthcare.

Being a multi-cultured society, we have cultures that are much more violent than others, and therefore bring down our life expectancy rate. We are the fattest country in the world, and we probably get the least exercise. We also lose a lot of people due to narcotics, 68,000 a year and growing. Plus we lose about 40,000 Americans a year in road accidents.

So don't be fooled by believing that life expectancy is the sole indicator of good healthcare.

This kind of shit happens all the time in our city.

No arrests after 11-year-old killed at Cleveland birthday party

Every single country at the top of the list has Universal Health care. If it was so bad that would not be the case.

They mostly rate those countries by availability to get care and less quality. And again, life expectancy is not just about healthcare.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I am. Have been for years. I think taxes should automatically go up (across the board, not the usual "targeted" bullshit - the increase needs to hit everyone) until we reach a balanced budget. It's the only way we'll get a true read on how much government people actually want. As it is, with no one paying for it, people will vote for every "free shit" program that is proposed.

I have better idea.

Why don't we for the time being keep the taxes where they are and cut back on spending? The money we cut back on we could use to pay the debt.

We could easily cut back a couple of trillion a year on Federal spending and still spend more money on the cost of government than almost any other country on earth.

When everything is paid off then we can reduce taxes by the amount we had been spending on the debt. Win win for everybody except the filthy welfare queens that suck on the teat of big government.

Walter E Williams put it best.

"I'm going to run for a federal office. My platforms will be I'm not bringing back any money to my state. I'm voting down all spending. Would you vote for me?"

And he never won or even ran for public office. In a recent poll, 84% believed a major function of government was to provide services to the people.

That's the point he was making. In other words, we blame the politicians for putting us in so much debt, but if they don't spend money on the things we want, we vote them out. So is it their fault or ours?

The great society ruined our nation. It's what I call the Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:

You catch a raccoon digging inside of your garbage can, in sympathy, you go into the house and get that leftover ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds, and try to take that ham bone back, and see what happens to you.

Politicians, particularly on the left, are well aware of my raccoon theory. Once government gives people something, like the raccoon, they rightfully claim it theirs. Then the Republicans get in charge, and they don't do anything about the runaway social programs. How can they? If they try to take it back, they will get their hand chewed up.

Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?

Apples and oranges. Trump is trying to level our trade deficit. It benefits the entire country and economy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Illegals don’t get healthcare in America?

Youre a friggen troll

The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.

From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.

In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.

This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.

My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?

If you go to the ER and claim you have severe head pain, chest pain, etc. They have to run tests to determine if have really serious life threaten stuff like a stroke, heart attack, aneurysm, or dozens of other things. That usually means they have to do things like MRIs, CT Scans, EKGs, angiogram, etc. Of course it all depends on your medical history, age, etc. A healthy 22 year old would not get the same attention as 78 year with numerous health problems. Those that are homeless, destitute, illegal immigrants, and mentally disturbed are likely to get above average diagnostic services because of lack medical history and their life style.

In many hospitals, admission through the ER is very common, about 20%.

Bernie is not going to raise taxes on anyone. He won't be around at election time. It is people my age that vote most consistently and he is polling about 3% in my group. Republicans can quit worrying about the country going full socialist. It is stawman bullshit and ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, I am not a Democrat, and still wouldn't vote for Trump even with your vote or six of your dead relatives on absentee.

Why not vote for Trump? Too many jobs around? Economy doing too good for ya? The stock market making too much money? Not enough wars? Unemployment too low for you? Not enough able bodied people on social programs? Not enough illegals crossing our border? Why would you not vote for Trump?

Oh, that's right, he's too arrogant. Many people vote on their representatives like they vote their favorite American Idol contestant.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What would actually stand a chance at working is allow people with preexisting conditions to go on Medicare. That would remove all the high risk patients from private insurance, and that would cause a price decrease, or at the very least, a price freeze.

Next is Medicare and Medicaid needs to start paying the entire bill instead of only part of it.
In any case, nothing gets done the right way until we work on lowering the cost of medical care first. If we don't do that, we're just passing the buck around.

Putting people with serious pre-existing conditions on Medicare is a good idea but it needs to be serious prexisting conditions. Back before Obamacare when I applied for individual insurance, I had to complete a 26 page medical questions. I found I was ineligible for health insurance because I had asthma and hayfever. A goal of insurance companies was to eliminate anyone who might file a claim.

I think deductibles should be eliminated but not co-insurance and copays. People need to pay a small fee for services or they will over utilize the system.

I inquired about disability a few years back, and that's what they get after you are on the program for one year. And.....she stated the plans are more than reasonable; about 120 a month to 190, depending on what you can afford.

So if it's available to people on SS disability, why not make it available to others who are not on disability? The reason insurance companies don't want people like you or me is because we are high risk, just like an auto insurance company giving insurance to a documented drunk.

Remove those people from the private insurance rolls, and they can better manage prices. It would be a half-way point between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want. And.....nobody can be accused of wanting to take healthcare away from people with preexisting conditions.

But if you remove all the patients who need medical care and only leave the insurance companies with the young and healthy who do not need any care, then why let the insurance companies have all that profit?
The whole point of insurance is supposed to be to pool risks so that the health help pay for the care needed by the few injured or sick. If the insurance does not do that, then it is worthless. The healthy do not need health care or insurance. It is only the sick or injured who do.

Just because one is unlikely to need healthcare doesn't mean they never will. Accidents, illness, diseases can happen to anybody. But the risk of that in a healthy pool is much, much less than insuring everybody.

Insurance companies base their premium on what they pay out compared to what they bring in. If they bring in more, and payout less, then they lower their rates to compete with other companies.

That would make private insurance affordable, and at the same time, give coverage to those who can't get or afford private insurance. Again, not free, you would still have to purchase a plan, but it would be a mid-way point between what Democrats and Republicans want. And everybody would actually get coverage they could afford.

Yes, that would make healthcare more affordable but keep in mind that most of our healthcare costs goes to people with pre-existing conditions. one every 4 adults under 65 has prexisting conditions. So if you transfer them to a government funded plan then you are transferring most of the healthcare cost.

It sure beats forcing everybody on it. Because it's an option, if you have preexisting conditions, you can still go private insurance if you'd like, and I"m sure those with money would.

What we are looking for is a way for everybody to be covered from rich to poor, and unless somebody has a better and more practical way of doing it; something that would make both parties happy so they can work together on this problem, I believe it's the best solution. That and doubling the Medicare payroll contributions to help support it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The problem is you are incredibly short-sighted and selfish brainwashed functional moron.

Nothing personal though. Plenty of that ilk always floating around crying out for sympathy. Flack and Flash, the Cheapskate Brothers..

 

[flack]

Putting people with serious pre-existing conditions on Medicare is a good idea but it needs to be serious prexisting conditions. Back before Obamacare when I applied for individual insurance, I had to complete a 26 page medical questions. I found I was ineligible for health insurance because I had asthma and hayfever. A goal of insurance companies was to eliminate anyone who might file a claim.

I think deductibles should be eliminated but not co-insurance and copays. People need to pay a small fee for services or they will over utilize the system.

I inquired about disability a few years back, and that's what they get after you are on the program for one year. And.....she stated the plans are more than reasonable; about 120 a month to 190, depending on what you can afford.

So if it's available to people on SS disability, why not make it available to others who are not on disability? The reason insurance companies don't want people like you or me is because we are high risk, just like an auto insurance company giving insurance to a documented drunk.

Remove those people from the private insurance rolls, and they can better manage prices. It would be a half-way point between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want. And.....nobody can be accused of wanting to take healthcare away from people with preexisting conditions.

But if you remove all the patients who need medical care and only leave the insurance companies with the young and healthy who do not need any care, then why let the insurance companies have all that profit?
The whole point of insurance is supposed to be to pool risks so that the health help pay for the care needed by the few injured or sick. If the insurance does not do that, then it is worthless. The healthy do not need health care or insurance. It is only the sick or injured who do.

Just because one is unlikely to need healthcare doesn't mean they never will. Accidents, illness, diseases can happen to anybody. But the risk of that in a healthy pool is much, much less than insuring everybody.

Insurance companies base their premium on what they pay out compared to what they bring in. If they bring in more, and payout less, then they lower their rates to compete with other companies.

That would make private insurance affordable, and at the same time, give coverage to those who can't get or afford private insurance. Again, not free, you would still have to purchase a plan, but it would be a mid-way point between what Democrats and Republicans want. And everybody would actually get coverage they could afford.

Yes, that would make healthcare more affordable but keep in mind that most of our healthcare costs goes to people with pre-existing conditions. one every 4 adults under 65 has prexisting conditions. So if you transfer them to a government funded plan then you are transferring most of the healthcare cost.

It sure beats forcing everybody on it. Because it's an option, if you have preexisting conditions, you can still go private insurance if you'd like, and I"m sure those with money would.

What we are looking for is a way for everybody to be covered from rich to poor, and unless somebody has a better and more practical way of doing it; something that would make both parties happy so they can work together on this problem, I believe it's the best solution. That and doubling the Medicare payroll contributions to help support it.

Elizabeth Warren wants to spend $5.2 trillion a year on Medicare for all. The federal government spent $4.1 trillion in 2018. That is on everything. So she wants to spend more than $1.1 trillion more than the whole federal budget just on healthcare.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

View attachment 292075

He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.

I guess when they get sick, they go to the ER or die.