Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[flack]

The problem is you are incredibly short-sighted and selfish brainwashed functional moron.

Nothing personal though. Plenty of that ilk always floating around crying out for sympathy. Flack and Flash, the Cheapskate Brothers..

Little f by the way. There is not enough money to do what they propose. It is simple economics.

 

[dblack]

You can "access" health care just fine with money.

You don't get out much. Different world these days. Without a card or insurance info many have no idea what to do with you and point you to the door. "Legal tender" or no

Nope. They'll take money too. True story.

 

[flack]

DONNA, Texas -- As the migrant crisis at the southern border hit its peak over the summer, media outlets were filled with stories of overcrowded detention centers, adults and children living in squalid conditions, and overworked and exhausted border agents.

But now, the situation on the ground has changed significantly.

AT HELM OF DHS, CHAD WOLF VOWS TO CONFRONT THE GANGS BEHIND ILLEGAL DRUGS, GUNS AND MIGRANTS

Amid a series of sweeping actions from the Trump administration -- including the expansion of the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) that return migrants to Mexico to await their immigration hearings, increased cooperation with countries south of the border like Guatemala, and new border wall -- apprehensions have declined dramatically by more than 70 percent since May.

 

[CWayne]

You might pay more in taxes, but you would pay $20,000 a year less for health insurance.

Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record

Weird.

I pay less than 4k for a Cadillac plan. Tack on a 6k deductible and I'm all the way up to 10k.

 

[Grumblenuts]

You can "access" health care just fine with money.

You don't get out much. Different world these days. Without a card or insurance info many have no idea what to do with you and point you to the door. "Legal tender" or no

Nope. They'll take money too. True story.

Nope. I'm telling you from personal experience. Not all, especially specialists, will see you at all without insurance. Period.

 

[Grumblenuts]

You might pay more in taxes, but you would pay $20,000 a year less for health insurance.

Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record

Weird.

I pay less than 4k for a Cadillac plan. Tack on a 6k deductible and I'm all the way up to 10k.

And how much does your employer pay on your behalf?

 

[CWayne]

You might pay more in taxes, but you would pay $20,000 a year less for health insurance.

Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record

Weird.

I pay less than 4k for a Cadillac plan. Tack on a 6k deductible and I'm all the way up to 10k.

And how much does your employer pay on your behalf?

None. They do pay a percentage (4% I think) on the 401k that becomes vested after 5 years.

 

[Grumblenuts]

401K has nothing to do with it. Are you in a union?

 

[skookerasbil]

Nobody cares about Bernie Sanders...…..his time has come and gone thanks to Aunt Hilda serving him a bumpy cucumber. Forget about the cost of his platform......nobody is going to vote for a guy that is perpetually miserable and angry. And blacks cant stand the guy = unelectable.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

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He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.

I guess when they get sick, they go to the ER or die.

They get turned away at the ER, that would involve healthcare.

 

[flack]

How about when (hopefully married) people learn they are pregnant they be required to open a savings account in which they must pay $5 a day until the child turns 18? That wold be more than $32,850. Throw in interest and you are talking $50,000. Then the child would be required to add $5 a day till 65. Would worth a couple of million easy by retirement. Would not make much of a difference at first but it would as every child learns to save for their retirement. Get the government out of it altogether.

 

[Grumblenuts]

they be required

Who's going to enforce that?
And how? Take the baby? Forced abortion?

 

[flack]

they be required

Who's going to enforce that?
And how? Take the baby? Forced abortion?

IRS Or better yet, because I think the IRS should be eliminated, the state tax commission of the state you live in.

But I'm for the Fair Tax.

 

[Grumblenuts]

they be required

Who's going to enforce that?
And how? Take the baby? Forced abortion?

IRS Or better yet, because I think the IRS should be eliminated, the state tax commission of the state you live in.

But I'm for the Fair Tax.

Govt.

Get the government out of it altogether.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I inquired about disability a few years back, and that's what they get after you are on the program for one year. And.....she stated the plans are more than reasonable; about 120 a month to 190, depending on what you can afford.

So if it's available to people on SS disability, why not make it available to others who are not on disability? The reason insurance companies don't want people like you or me is because we are high risk, just like an auto insurance company giving insurance to a documented drunk.

Remove those people from the private insurance rolls, and they can better manage prices. It would be a half-way point between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want. And.....nobody can be accused of wanting to take healthcare away from people with preexisting conditions.

But if you remove all the patients who need medical care and only leave the insurance companies with the young and healthy who do not need any care, then why let the insurance companies have all that profit?
The whole point of insurance is supposed to be to pool risks so that the health help pay for the care needed by the few injured or sick. If the insurance does not do that, then it is worthless. The healthy do not need health care or insurance. It is only the sick or injured who do.

Just because one is unlikely to need healthcare doesn't mean they never will. Accidents, illness, diseases can happen to anybody. But the risk of that in a healthy pool is much, much less than insuring everybody.

Insurance companies base their premium on what they pay out compared to what they bring in. If they bring in more, and payout less, then they lower their rates to compete with other companies.

That would make private insurance affordable, and at the same time, give coverage to those who can't get or afford private insurance. Again, not free, you would still have to purchase a plan, but it would be a mid-way point between what Democrats and Republicans want. And everybody would actually get coverage they could afford.

Yes, that would make healthcare more affordable but keep in mind that most of our healthcare costs goes to people with pre-existing conditions. one every 4 adults under 65 has prexisting conditions. So if you transfer them to a government funded plan then you are transferring most of the healthcare cost.

It sure beats forcing everybody on it. Because it's an option, if you have preexisting conditions, you can still go private insurance if you'd like, and I"m sure those with money would.

What we are looking for is a way for everybody to be covered from rich to poor, and unless somebody has a better and more practical way of doing it; something that would make both parties happy so they can work together on this problem, I believe it's the best solution. That and doubling the Medicare payroll contributions to help support it.

Elizabeth Warren wants to spend $5.2 trillion a year on Medicare for all. The federal government spent $4.1 trillion in 2018. That is on everything. So she wants to spend more than $1.1 trillion more than the whole federal budget just on healthcare.

And that's fine, if they figure out a way to come up with the money besides "tax them" for it. But taxing "them" doesn't work. It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in the future. Plus they will never give up any of their goodies to harvest the cash for their new plans.

If these people want socialized healthcare, let them fund it with a consumption tax so everybody pays. Without doing the calculations, perhaps 30 cents on the dollar tax. But they'll never do that because they can't buy votes that way.

 

[flack]

they be required

Who's going to enforce that?
And how? Take the baby? Forced abortion?

IRS Or better yet, because I think the IRS should be eliminated, the state tax commission of the state you live in.

But I'm for the Fair Tax.

Govt.

Get the government out of it altogether.

I meant SSI and Medicaid, Medicare.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

 

[flack]

But if you remove all the patients who need medical care and only leave the insurance companies with the young and healthy who do not need any care, then why let the insurance companies have all that profit?
The whole point of insurance is supposed to be to pool risks so that the health help pay for the care needed by the few injured or sick. If the insurance does not do that, then it is worthless. The healthy do not need health care or insurance. It is only the sick or injured who do.

Just because one is unlikely to need healthcare doesn't mean they never will. Accidents, illness, diseases can happen to anybody. But the risk of that in a healthy pool is much, much less than insuring everybody.

Insurance companies base their premium on what they pay out compared to what they bring in. If they bring in more, and payout less, then they lower their rates to compete with other companies.

That would make private insurance affordable, and at the same time, give coverage to those who can't get or afford private insurance. Again, not free, you would still have to purchase a plan, but it would be a mid-way point between what Democrats and Republicans want. And everybody would actually get coverage they could afford.

Yes, that would make healthcare more affordable but keep in mind that most of our healthcare costs goes to people with pre-existing conditions. one every 4 adults under 65 has prexisting conditions. So if you transfer them to a government funded plan then you are transferring most of the healthcare cost.

It sure beats forcing everybody on it. Because it's an option, if you have preexisting conditions, you can still go private insurance if you'd like, and I"m sure those with money would.

What we are looking for is a way for everybody to be covered from rich to poor, and unless somebody has a better and more practical way of doing it; something that would make both parties happy so they can work together on this problem, I believe it's the best solution. That and doubling the Medicare payroll contributions to help support it.

Elizabeth Warren wants to spend $5.2 trillion a year on Medicare for all. The federal government spent $4.1 trillion in 2018. That is on everything. So she wants to spend more than $1.1 trillion more than the whole federal budget just on healthcare.

And that's fine, if they figure out a way to come up with the money besides "tax them" for it. But taxing "them" doesn't work. It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in the future. Plus they will never give up any of their goodies to harvest the cash for their new plans.

If these people want socialized healthcare, let them fund it with a consumption tax so everybody pays. Without doing the calculations, perhaps 30 cents on the dollar tax. But they'll never do that because they can't buy votes that way.

No tax. Stays in the child's hands.

 

[flack]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

Didn't read it did you?

 

[Grumblenuts]

they be required

Who's going to enforce that?
And how? Take the baby? Forced abortion?

IRS Or better yet, because I think the IRS should be eliminated, the state tax commission of the state you live in.

But I'm for the Fair Tax.

Govt.

Get the government out of it altogether.

I meant SSI and Medicaid, Medicare.

Fair enough.