Ben Stein Stumps Richard Dawkins.

[DriftingSand]

Antony Flew converts from Atheism to Theism:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1e4FUhfHiU]Antony Flew's conversion to theism - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm terribly sorry you have no understanding of how math really works.

And terribly sorry you should be.

Bet you're even more broken up about your SAT score having less than four digits.

The childish insults aren't argument.

That was no insult....it was an accurate description.

The truth was indicated when you pretended that you understand mathematics to the extent that I do.


Bet you'd need a lyrics sheet to sing 'Happy Birthday' at a party.....

 

[DriftingSand]

Check out Hugh Ross's website: Reasons to Believe: Where Science and Faith Converge

Reasons To Believe : Where Modern Science & Faith Converge

Reasons To Believe : Using Science for Evangelism

 

[DriftingSand]

I found this sign apropos for some of the trollish types who linger in the shadows of the Religion and Ethics forum. Kinda fits their obsessive/compulsive, anti-Christian behavior:

 

[DriftingSand]

Interesting perspective:

 

[Hollie]

Now, now.....don't run and hide.

The question is simple enough....even for a simpleton like you.


Tell ya' what.....I've give you a third strike:

Want to try again?



"Quantum cosmology is a branch of mathematical metaphysics that provides no cause for the emergence of the universe, the ‘how,’ nor reason thereof, the ‘why.’ If the mystification induced by its mathematics were removed from the subject, what remains would appear remarkably similar to the various creation myths in which the origin of the universe is attributed to sexual congress between primordial deities."
David Berlinski


Since mathematician Berlinski seems to confuse you....let's pretend your inspiration is the one who said it, Bozo the Clown.


The subject is the creation of the universe.

Science has no answer....once "the mystification induced by its mathematics were removed from the subject,...'


True or not true?

Berlinski is not a mathematician. That seems to confuse you as you continue to trot him out as one.



How is it that you're still befuddled by this?




Are you hoping that bolded text will somehow add drama to your silly posts?








You're not understanding and you don't understand, that you don't understand.




True or not true?

Sorry....three strikes and you're out.

First, Berlinski is a mathematician.

mathematician (ˌmæθəməˈtɪʃən; ˌmæθmə-)
n
1. (Mathematics) an expert or specialist in mathematics
mathematician - definition of mathematician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



2. Secondly, science has no explanation for the creation of the universe.
This is the answer to the question that you ran away from three times.

Now, the reason you ran from it is that you are a hate-blinded bigot, a virulent foe of religion.

Aside from the New Atheist's there are many scientists who see religion fit into their beliefs.
In fact, most scientists believe in God, or some definition of the Divine.

"According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power."
Scientists and Belief | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project


Your greatest fear is that admitting that science cannot answer the question that I asked might leave room for a belief in God.


I don't know why you fear that so, but you do.




3. I had a great deal of fun making you look like Swiss Cheese.

1. Cutting and pasting "quotes", like cutting pasting dictionary definitions is pointless when you don't understand the underlying concepts.




2. Berlinski is a mathematician only in the realm of fundie creation ministries where honesty and credibility aren't important.




3. Your arguments do have the odor of moldy Swiss cheese.

 

[mamooth]

Interesting perspective:

Given DriftingSand is implying people are Nazis, while also being too gutless to put his own name to it, all decent people should now simply shun him. And he should ask for forgiveness from his God for pushing such sleaze, provided he doesn't want to burn in hell for eternity.

 

[mamooth]

Is there supposed to be an argument somewhere in PC's rants? I just ask because I've read them all, and I can't find one. It just looks like some defective AI repeating a bitterness subroutine.

PC, if you've got an argument, state it yourself directly. Don't link, don't parrot someone else, show you understand it by using your own words. If you can't, you don't have an argument.

 

[PostmodernProph]

We see evidence for this in the background radiation of the universe.

no, you silly twit.....you do not......

Actually, yes, you angry, self-hating 6,000 year old earth'er.

Do a search with the term "Penzias and Wilson."



Do you realize that with your complete and profound ignorance of science, you reinforce a lot of negative stereotypes aimed at fundie Christians?

I will concede your mastery of using negative stereotypes.....

 

[DriftingSand]

Berlinski is not a mathematician. That seems to confuse you as you continue to trot him out as one.



How is it that you're still befuddled by this?




Are you hoping that bolded text will somehow add drama to your silly posts?








You're not understanding and you don't understand, that you don't understand.




True or not true?

Sorry....three strikes and you're out.

First, Berlinski is a mathematician.

mathematician (ˌmæθəməˈtɪʃən; ˌmæθmə-)
n
1. (Mathematics) an expert or specialist in mathematics
mathematician - definition of mathematician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



2. Secondly, science has no explanation for the creation of the universe.
This is the answer to the question that you ran away from three times.

Now, the reason you ran from it is that you are a hate-blinded bigot, a virulent foe of religion.

Aside from the New Atheist's there are many scientists who see religion fit into their beliefs.
In fact, most scientists believe in God, or some definition of the Divine.

"According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power."
Scientists and Belief | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project


Your greatest fear is that admitting that science cannot answer the question that I asked might leave room for a belief in God.


I don't know why you fear that so, but you do.




3. I had a great deal of fun making you look like Swiss Cheese.

1. Cutting and pasting "quotes", like cutting pasting dictionary definitions is pointless when you don't understand the underlying concepts.




2. Berlinski is a mathematician only in the realm of fundie creation ministries where honesty and credibility aren't important.




3. Your arguments do have the odor of moldy Swiss cheese.

1) First of all ... there's nothing at all wrong with cutting and pasting if the information is relevant to the conversation. If it's someone else's original idea then they should be credit for it. That's why links are provided.

2) A mathematician is a mathematician regardless of his religious affiliations just as an Atheist fireman puts out fires just like a Christian fireman does. That's one of silliest arguments you've made to date -- and there are a lot of them.

3) Meaningless and irrelevant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is there supposed to be an argument somewhere in PC's rants? I just ask because I've read them all, and I can't find one. It just looks like some defective AI repeating a bitterness subroutine.

PC, if you've got an argument, state it yourself directly. Don't link, don't parrot someone else, show you understand it by using your own words. If you can't, you don't have an argument.

"...and I can't find one."


Exactly what I've said about you time after time.


Thanks so much for admitting it....

...ownership of the disability is the beginning of a cure!

Best of luck.

 

[Hollie]

no, you silly twit.....you do not......

Actually, yes, you angry, self-hating 6,000 year old earth'er.

Do a search with the term "Penzias and Wilson."



Do you realize that with your complete and profound ignorance of science, you reinforce a lot of negative stereotypes aimed at fundie Christians?

I will concede your mastery of using negative stereotypes.....

You are the model......

 

[PostmodernProph]

I'm not sure if I follow you.

why not?.....are you unfamiliar with the doctrines of Christianity?.....you were criticizing God for punishing an innocent in the place of the guilty.....this overlooks the fact that the innocent he was punishing was his incarnate self......

would you likewise describe everyone who sacrifices himself to save someone else, for example a fireman who dies trying to rescue a child from a burning building, as morally bankrupt and Satanic?......

A fireman trying to save someone is not the same as you committing murder and you agreeing to allow them to hang your daughter in your place!!!

I can certainly agree with that....but that ignores my point.....God sacrificed himself, not someone else.......(not to mention God didn't commit any murders)......

 

[PoliticalChic]

Berlinski is not a mathematician. That seems to confuse you as you continue to trot him out as one.



How is it that you're still befuddled by this?




Are you hoping that bolded text will somehow add drama to your silly posts?








You're not understanding and you don't understand, that you don't understand.




True or not true?

Sorry....three strikes and you're out.

First, Berlinski is a mathematician.

mathematician (ˌmæθəməˈtɪʃən; ˌmæθmə-)
n
1. (Mathematics) an expert or specialist in mathematics
mathematician - definition of mathematician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



2. Secondly, science has no explanation for the creation of the universe.
This is the answer to the question that you ran away from three times.

Now, the reason you ran from it is that you are a hate-blinded bigot, a virulent foe of religion.

Aside from the New Atheist's there are many scientists who see religion fit into their beliefs.
In fact, most scientists believe in God, or some definition of the Divine.

"According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power."
Scientists and Belief | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project


Your greatest fear is that admitting that science cannot answer the question that I asked might leave room for a belief in God.


I don't know why you fear that so, but you do.




3. I had a great deal of fun making you look like Swiss Cheese.

1. Cutting and pasting "quotes", like cutting pasting dictionary definitions is pointless when you don't understand the underlying concepts.




2. Berlinski is a mathematician only in the realm of fundie creation ministries where honesty and credibility aren't important.




3. Your arguments do have the odor of moldy Swiss cheese.

So glad you didn't deny any of the things I revealed about you.

I suspect every reader of the post is nodding their head in agreement, as well.

 

[DriftingSand]

Interesting perspective:

Given DriftingSand is implying people are Nazis, while also being too gutless to put his own name to it, all decent people should now simply shun him. And he should ask for forgiveness from his God for pushing such sleaze, provided he doesn't want to burn in hell for eternity.

See ya. Don't let the door hit ya. You came to my thread ... not the other way around.

By the way ... I didn't call anyone a Nazi so please learn to get your facts straight. I simply posted Berlinski's quote and added "interesting perspective." Try to learn not to add meaningless meanings to my posts (or anyone else's for that matter).

 

[PostmodernProph]

So you are admitting there was no physical Jesus. e=mc2, or energy EQUALS mass, times a constant.

odd conclusion, that....rather you might have realized I was criticizing your conclusion that the deity we believe in was energy......

energy PERSONIFIED.

oh, so you are admitting there was a physical Jesus.....now I understand.....

 

[DriftingSand]

Sorry....three strikes and you're out.

First, Berlinski is a mathematician.

mathematician (ˌmæθəməˈtɪʃən; ˌmæθmə-)
n
1. (Mathematics) an expert or specialist in mathematics
mathematician - definition of mathematician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



2. Secondly, science has no explanation for the creation of the universe.
This is the answer to the question that you ran away from three times.

Now, the reason you ran from it is that you are a hate-blinded bigot, a virulent foe of religion.

Aside from the New Atheist's there are many scientists who see religion fit into their beliefs.
In fact, most scientists believe in God, or some definition of the Divine.

"According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power."
Scientists and Belief | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project


Your greatest fear is that admitting that science cannot answer the question that I asked might leave room for a belief in God.


I don't know why you fear that so, but you do.




3. I had a great deal of fun making you look like Swiss Cheese.

1. Cutting and pasting "quotes", like cutting pasting dictionary definitions is pointless when you don't understand the underlying concepts.




2. Berlinski is a mathematician only in the realm of fundie creation ministries where honesty and credibility aren't important.




3. Your arguments do have the odor of moldy Swiss cheese.

So glad you didn't deny any of the things I revealed about you.

I suspect every reader of the post is nodding their head in agreement, as well.

Hollie's a master side-stepper. She has yet to answer one of the many questions I've asked of her because she has no answers.

She prefers to dance around the facts:

 

[PostmodernProph]

Who said it didn't?

logic....again providing evidence that atheists are certainly not logical.....

Was it "logic" that edited out "the Big Crunch" from my answer, or dishonesty?

Again providing evidence that Christians are certainly not honest.

I assumed that was a joke....was there any reason not to edit it out?......

 

[edthecynic]

Robert Jastrow quote:

“Theologians generally are delighted with the proof that the universe had a beginning, but astronomers are curiously upset. It turns out that the scientist behaves the way the rest of us do when our beliefs are in conflict with the evidence.”
– Dr. Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers (1992)

Relevant Pioneer Quotes ? Dr. Robert Jastrow | Christian Evidences Ministries

TIME has a beginning, the universe of energy has no beginning nor end.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Actually, my post is 100% in my own words. Are you certain you understand what "cut and paste" means? Also, you completely glossed over a rather large post of mine that very briefly explains God as I understand Him. Again -- 100% my words without a single cut and paste.

You're entitled to your version of gods as others are. For that matter, your arguments for your gods are best directed at those who have a competing version of gods. It's you lovely folks who are creating the divisiveness and conflicts around the globe over petty claims to inerrancy of ancient myths.

What's truly astounding is the consistent theme of hate and self-hate that drenches the posts of the more extremist cabal. We get it - you believe mankind is inherently evil and base and you accept that you are evil and base and in need of salvation. You simply accepted such a defeatist and ultimately unhealthy attitude for no other reason than you mindlessly accepted the religion you were given. That's quite common as cultural heritage and geographic location typically defines religious belief.

Such a pathology of hate and self-hate has consequences and one of those consequences is revulsion for learning and an inability to accept documentary evidence that conflicts with your dogma.

I really hate jumping in on a thread I have not read all the previous posts on but there have been many on this thread. What documentary evidence do you refer to?

lol.....