2aguy
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NO ONE, EVER in the history of mankind, has recommended the government build hospitals that they run, for our health care.A question for the Libertarian/Conservatives.
Would you accept a universal healthcare system if it was cheaper/more cost efficient, as it's proven to be in almost every OECD country? In other words, would you accept it if it had ZERO impact on your life/financial expenses/overall economy?
There is no evidence that any government run program in the U.S. has ever been more (financially) efficient than private enterprise.
How about the G.I Bill which provided millions of Americans access to higher education, cheap housing, and healthcare, which also subsequently led to the creation of the largest middle class in the world? Or Eisenhower's programs to help build the international federal highway system? In fact it wasn't until the deregulation/semi privatization of major industry and banking, which occurred under the Reagan's administration, when wealth inequality started increasing and our infrastructure stagnated.
"Universal Healthcare" limits choice, by definition, limits incentives for innovation, and generally stifles growth. So yeah, I would reject it.
This is neoliberal nonsense. Growth and innovation in, which occurred most during the 1950s to 1970s, happened under governments that spent the most on social welfare programs. See above. There is ZERO evidence that a majorily privatized nation would spur "incentives for innovation." That's like saying that people won't invent anything if they don't get paid a lot of money (if you think that, you probably have never met artists, scientists, or entrepreneurs that hundreds of times more passionate about their craft/what they produce t than money, power, and status)
The G.I.Bill...thanks for bringing it up since it doesn't support your side of the discussion and in fact supports my side.....
When the government wanted to help G.I.s get an education...did they build VA schools to educate them? Like they did with Healthcare for Vets? No.
What did they do.....
They gave vets School Vouchers for education.....the government gave them a school voucher, they took that voucher into the education market place and purchased their education...which meant those schools that were good, had vets go to them, the bad schools, didn't get vets.......
So you are wrong......the government here set up VA hospitals instead of giving Vets vouchers for healthcare, the result? A horrible healthcare system that kills vets.
The government can't run things....they can hand out checks.....the market place for education handled educating the Vets...not the government....
The road system.....they poured concrete.......and what is the state of our road system now?
I would bet you guys are against school vouchers for public school kids.......the very same voucher system that you are bragging about that was used to educate Veterans......
the government than can't run the VA system....can't run a healthcare system for 320 million people.
Universal Healthcare is simply MEDICARE....you get to choose your hospital and doctors that are in the marketplace, and the gvt gives you a voucher/via a card, to pay for 80% of it and you pay the other 20%.
Do you realize that many doctors no longer take Medicare patients...because the government does not reimburse for the services at the actual cost of the service....so that isn't the market place....and the medicare system is a mess.......as one healthcare expert said during an interview...people on medicare have healthcare, they just can't see a doctor...because too many doctors refuse medicare patients.....
The only way to fix the system is to get the government out of it.....Vouchers for healthcare would be one way to support people with pre-existing conditions and people who can't afford it...then they can buy their own plans or simply pay for their treatment directly.....that would increase competition and introduce more freedom into the healthcare industry.....improving it at all levels.