Ben Carson's Strange Theory About The Egyptian Pyramids

[SwimExpert]

Looks like box.

That's what happens when you see only what you want to see.

One thing is certain, if it was built to be a tomb, like other pyramids may have been, it was not used for one.

It was built to be a tomb. There is no question about it. No serious expert denies that. The only questions are what deeper significance it may have had.

Nothing was ever found inside, and no it was not because of tomb raiders.

Now you're really showing your ass. Archeologists know that Middle Kingdom Egyptians cleared out the Pyramid! Man, you're just making things up!

There are no inscriptions within the Great pyramid, very unlike any other tomb.

It's so sad how unbelievably ignorant and uneducated you are.

This artifact found inside the tomb has Khufu's name on it.

A robot explorer sent through the Great Pyramid of Giza has begun to unveil some of the secrets behind the 4,500-year-old pharaonic mausoleum as it transmitted the first images behind one of its mysterious doors. The images revealed hieroglyphs written in red paint that have not been seen by human eyes since the construction of the pyramid.

Pyramid-Exploring Robot Reveals Hidden Hieroglyphs : DNews

The passages ascend in the GP unlike all other that descend to a tomb.

It's the Great Pyramid. Everything about it is unlike all others.

The GP at Giza was not a tomb.

You might want to tell that to the people who built it. They built a tomb where they were apparently supposed to build something else.

criticism of the tomb theory. Great Pyramid: Why was it built

It is important to 'keep in context' over this issue However, the truth is that there are a number of anomalous features of the great pyramid that are not contextual. The Great Pyramid is the only pyramid built with an ascending system of passages. All the other pyramids only have a descending system with the 'coffer' placed below. Also there are a number of specific design features that suggest that the pyramid may not have been built to house a body after all. What evidence is there that it was a tomb? The empty coffer is appealing but there are no original funerary hieroglyphics, paintings or inscriptions to be found on or in the Great Pyramid or the coffer. Almost all the other funerary monuments in Egypt are covered with protective funerary inscriptions. It is unlikely that a King would have been buried there with no inscriptions and paintings for his tomb, as these were a form of afterlife protection. The spells and texts of this period are expected.

Looking at the other contemporary 'Heliopean' pyramids (and therefore keeping in context), we find that they all show similar construction features (portcullises, corbels, corner sockets, casing stones, etc), none have funerary inscriptions and none have produced an original body.

Petrie (12), makes an interesting observation concerning Herodotus' claim that 'Cheops' was buried 'in a subterranean region, on an island there surrounded by the waters of the Nile'. He first calculates that in order for the Nile waters to 'surround' the coffer, it needs to be another fifty feet below the existing 'subterranean' chamber. He then produces a candidate for the chamber. 'Exactly such a locality, too, both sepulchral, and with the required hydraulic conditions, has since been discovered about 1,000 ft S. East of the pyramid building'. (Plate XIX). The structure is a large and deep pit on the square and bottom of which rests an 'antique, rude sarcophagus of very gigantic proportions'. The pit is surrounded by a trench, which is deep enough to descend below the adjacent waters of the Nile, allowing it to fill with water. It is called 'Campbell's' tomb.

On a final note, it is noted that the Ghiza plateau was subject to a spectacular phase of ground-work beforethe pyramids were built, with the whole plateau being levelled (to accuracy of within less than an inch over the whole site - see Petrie), being covered with a limestone and basalt pavement which runs under all the pyramids. It is also curious that Khufu, the builder of the great pyramid (and therefore the first pyramid), chose to build on the edge of the site, leaving the centre position for Khafre, his son who reigned after him.



The Snoferu Dilemma:

The Dashur pyramids remained a site of worship for well over 1,000 years. Snoferu's cult was still alive in the new kingdom. The traditional names of the pyramids are:

The Red pyramid - 'Snofero's northern pyramid'

The 'Bent' pyramid - 'Snoferu's southern pyramid

Meidum - 'Djed Snoferu' Sneru endures''

A decree from the time of Pepi I (6th Dynasty), which exempts the priests of 'the two pyramids of Snoferu' from certain taxes, was written in relation to the 'Red' and 'Bent' pyramids at Dashur. Cartouches of Snoferu have also been found on both pyramids (On the corner-stones and upper chambers of the 'Bent' pyramid), but none yet on the Meidum pyramid.

Snoferu is only credited with a reign of just 23 years (2,575 - 2,551 BC) (2), suggesting that he managed to move three times the amount of stone as his son, Cheops (Khufu), but in only half the time.

Each of the pyramids was built in a completely different architectural style, with the bent pyramid showing two separate styles alone (The bottom courses of masonry curve upwards at the corners, while the top half are built horizontally as at Giza).

It is noticeable that the two Dashur pyramids which are attributable to Snoferu align to Heliopolis, as do other pyramids built in the 4th-5th Dynasties (see below).

This casts a long shadow on the 'pyramids as tombs' theory.

Apart from circumstantial funerary remains from around Giza, the fact is that the only 'evidence' that the pyramids themselves were intended for funerary purposes is from Herodotus original text, which was itself not an observation, but rather a third person narrative.

If the super-pyramids were constructed primarily to house the tombs of Pharahos, why place another coffer in the queens chamber of the Great pyramid and why is the Kings-chamber coffer so small that if we were to place a fully mummified 'body' in it, we would be dealing with the tomb of a child and not an adult. Why are coffers found still sealed in their original condition, only to be found empty on opening them and why build more than one pyramid? These are the questions which have yet to be satisfactorily answered before the 'pyramids as tombs' theory can be fully accepted.

Your ignorance is your own choice.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Galileo was a Scientist and Ben Carson is a bag of Filberts

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

You seriously dont have any odd theories you believe?

Iraq has WMD ?

 

[Freewill]

Looks like box.

That's what happens when you see only what you want to see.

One thing is certain, if it was built to be a tomb, like other pyramids may have been, it was not used for one.

It was built to be a tomb. There is no question about it. No serious expert denies that. The only questions are what deeper significance it may have had.

Nothing was ever found inside, and no it was not because of tomb raiders.

Now you're really showing your ass. Archeologists know that Middle Kingdom Egyptians cleared out the Pyramid! Man, you're just making things up!

There are no inscriptions within the Great pyramid, very unlike any other tomb.

It's so sad how unbelievably ignorant and uneducated you are.

This artifact found inside the tomb has Khufu's name on it.

A robot explorer sent through the Great Pyramid of Giza has begun to unveil some of the secrets behind the 4,500-year-old pharaonic mausoleum as it transmitted the first images behind one of its mysterious doors. The images revealed hieroglyphs written in red paint that have not been seen by human eyes since the construction of the pyramid.

Pyramid-Exploring Robot Reveals Hidden Hieroglyphs : DNews

The passages ascend in the GP unlike all other that descend to a tomb.

It's the Great Pyramid. Everything about it is unlike all others.

The GP at Giza was not a tomb.

You might want to tell that to the people who built it. They built a tomb where they were apparently supposed to build something else.

criticism of the tomb theory. Great Pyramid: Why was it built

It is important to 'keep in context' over this issue However, the truth is that there are a number of anomalous features of the great pyramid that are not contextual. The Great Pyramid is the only pyramid built with an ascending system of passages. All the other pyramids only have a descending system with the 'coffer' placed below. Also there are a number of specific design features that suggest that the pyramid may not have been built to house a body after all. What evidence is there that it was a tomb? The empty coffer is appealing but there are no original funerary hieroglyphics, paintings or inscriptions to be found on or in the Great Pyramid or the coffer. Almost all the other funerary monuments in Egypt are covered with protective funerary inscriptions. It is unlikely that a King would have been buried there with no inscriptions and paintings for his tomb, as these were a form of afterlife protection. The spells and texts of this period are expected.

Looking at the other contemporary 'Heliopean' pyramids (and therefore keeping in context), we find that they all show similar construction features (portcullises, corbels, corner sockets, casing stones, etc), none have funerary inscriptions and none have produced an original body.

Petrie (12), makes an interesting observation concerning Herodotus' claim that 'Cheops' was buried 'in a subterranean region, on an island there surrounded by the waters of the Nile'. He first calculates that in order for the Nile waters to 'surround' the coffer, it needs to be another fifty feet below the existing 'subterranean' chamber. He then produces a candidate for the chamber. 'Exactly such a locality, too, both sepulchral, and with the required hydraulic conditions, has since been discovered about 1,000 ft S. East of the pyramid building'. (Plate XIX). The structure is a large and deep pit on the square and bottom of which rests an 'antique, rude sarcophagus of very gigantic proportions'. The pit is surrounded by a trench, which is deep enough to descend below the adjacent waters of the Nile, allowing it to fill with water. It is called 'Campbell's' tomb.

On a final note, it is noted that the Ghiza plateau was subject to a spectacular phase of ground-work beforethe pyramids were built, with the whole plateau being levelled (to accuracy of within less than an inch over the whole site - see Petrie), being covered with a limestone and basalt pavement which runs under all the pyramids. It is also curious that Khufu, the builder of the great pyramid (and therefore the first pyramid), chose to build on the edge of the site, leaving the centre position for Khafre, his son who reigned after him.



The Snoferu Dilemma:

The Dashur pyramids remained a site of worship for well over 1,000 years. Snoferu's cult was still alive in the new kingdom. The traditional names of the pyramids are:

The Red pyramid - 'Snofero's northern pyramid'

The 'Bent' pyramid - 'Snoferu's southern pyramid

Meidum - 'Djed Snoferu' Sneru endures''

A decree from the time of Pepi I (6th Dynasty), which exempts the priests of 'the two pyramids of Snoferu' from certain taxes, was written in relation to the 'Red' and 'Bent' pyramids at Dashur. Cartouches of Snoferu have also been found on both pyramids (On the corner-stones and upper chambers of the 'Bent' pyramid), but none yet on the Meidum pyramid.

Snoferu is only credited with a reign of just 23 years (2,575 - 2,551 BC) (2), suggesting that he managed to move three times the amount of stone as his son, Cheops (Khufu), but in only half the time.

Each of the pyramids was built in a completely different architectural style, with the bent pyramid showing two separate styles alone (The bottom courses of masonry curve upwards at the corners, while the top half are built horizontally as at Giza).

It is noticeable that the two Dashur pyramids which are attributable to Snoferu align to Heliopolis, as do other pyramids built in the 4th-5th Dynasties (see below).

This casts a long shadow on the 'pyramids as tombs' theory.

Apart from circumstantial funerary remains from around Giza, the fact is that the only 'evidence' that the pyramids themselves were intended for funerary purposes is from Herodotus original text, which was itself not an observation, but rather a third person narrative.

If the super-pyramids were constructed primarily to house the tombs of Pharahos, why place another coffer in the queens chamber of the Great pyramid and why is the Kings-chamber coffer so small that if we were to place a fully mummified 'body' in it, we would be dealing with the tomb of a child and not an adult. Why are coffers found still sealed in their original condition, only to be found empty on opening them and why build more than one pyramid? These are the questions which have yet to be satisfactorily answered before the 'pyramids as tombs' theory can be fully accepted.

Your ignorance is your own choice.

Your mind is sealed closed better then any of the Pyramids ever were. Sad really.

 

[Freewill]

You seriously dont have any odd theories you believe?

Iraq has WMD ?

that really is an odd one considering they did have WMD and used them.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

that really is an odd one considering they did have WMD and used them.

yeah sure its been in all the papers and the media ....

Ben Carson now says the Leaning Tower of Pisa was vandalized by Muslims who tried to tip it over .....

 

[SwimExpert]

There is an estimated 2.5 million stones in the Great Pyramid. The Pyramid was built in 20 years, supposidly.

Which is an insane amount of work to supposedly build such little capacity for grain storage. You keep going on and on, trying to parrot ignorance as if it were some kind of secret wisdom, all so you can impotently cast needle pricks into otherwise well established knowledge. Yet for all your efforts, you fail to produce even a scintilla that even remotely implies Carson's granary theory as even worth imagining.

So, it doesn't really matter if you want to believe that the pyramids were intended to be tombs, or whether you believe that they ever were used as tombs (notice that nobody here claims to know for sure whether that ever came to fruition). Carson has invented his own little idea out of whole cloth, and those of us who aren't idiots reject his invention, and chastise it for what it is. Carson's 'theory' is based on the fact that "Holy shit dat der thang is big!" And it is a desperate attempt to yet again fashion reality around his 1st grade level religious beliefs. He may as well be trying to claim that thunder is the sound of angels bowling.

There is not even a remote slice of evidence that would ever bring any sane person with even a cursory amount of actual knowledge to support Carson's granary hypothesis.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

More Crazy Carson

Ben Carson insists that a talking snake fucked us over in "The Garden Of Paradise"

 

[Freewill]

that really is an odd one considering they did have WMD and used them.

yeah sure its been in all the papers and the media ....

Ben Carson now says the Leaning Tower of Pisa was vandalized by Muslims who tried to tip it over .....

Off topic so this will be my last post on in this thread, from PBS:

Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS

Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mudda]

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson once vocalized an odd theory about Egyptian history.

According to a video unearthed by BuzzFeed on Wednesday, Carson posited in a 1998 commencement address at Andrews University that the pyramids in Egypt were used for grain storage rather than as tombs for ancient kings and queens.

"My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain," Carson said, referring to the Old Testament. "Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, [something to store that grain] would have to be something awfully big, if you stop and think about it."

Carson appeared to be referencing the biblical figure of Joseph, who was sold into slavery in Egypt and later went on to advise the Egyptian pharaoh to store grain due to a coming famine.

J.G. Manning, a professor of classics who studies Egyptian history at Yale University, called Carson's version of events "lunatic."

More: Ben Carson's Strange Theory About The Egyptian Pyramids

Grain storage? I prefer to think that aliens built them.

Who cares
Don't you have bigger fish to fry?? Washington redskin
Like being offended by an NFL team, dumba$$

Indians have red skin, what's your problem?

 

[SwimExpert]

You seriously dont have any odd theories you believe? That's sad if true. It means you don't have an independent mind or think for yourself. You just go along with what's popular.

That is a ludicrous claim. A lack of odd theories need not imply anything more than a lack of gullibility. Or maybe just intelligence greater than yours. Either way, your contention that odd theories are required for independent thought is unsubstantiated abject horseshit.

 

[SwimExpert]

Your mind is sealed closed better then any of the Pyramids ever were. Sad really.

I believe the term you were looking for is "full of knowledge and understanding."

Still waiting on even a slither of evidence that supports the granary hypothesis....

 

[Freewill]

There is an estimated 2.5 million stones in the Great Pyramid. The Pyramid was built in 20 years, supposidly.

Which is an insane amount of work to supposedly build so capacity for grain storage. You keep going on and on, trying to parrot ignorance as if it were some kind of secret wisdom, all so you can impotently cast needle pricks into otherwise well established knowledge. Yet for all your efforts, you fail to produce even a scintilla that even remotely implies Carson's granary theory as even worth imagining.

So, it doesn't really matter if you want to believe that the pyramids were intended to be tombs, or whether you believe that they ever were used as tombs (notice that nobody here claims to know for sure whether that ever came to fruition). Carson has invented his own little idea out of whole cloth, and those of us who aren't idiots reject his invention, and chastise it for what it is. Carson's 'theory' is based on the fact that "Holy shit dat der thang is big!" And it is a desperate attempt to yet again fashion reality around his 1st grade level religious beliefs. He may as well be trying to claim that thunder is the sound of angels bowling.

There is not even a remote slice of evidence that would ever bring any sane person with even a cursory amount of actual knowledge to support Carson's granary hypothesis.

I am not even arguing that it was built to store grain. But maybe it stored grain, I find that doubtful. But it is not like Carson created the idea. What I am saying is that it amazing how closed minds to anything other then their preconceived ideas.

Here is where the grainery idea originated, and it was not with Carson.

10 Bizarre Theories About The Pyramids That DON'T Involve Aliens

1) The Pyramids Were Built To Store Grain

Medieval Europeans believed the pyramids were granaries described in the Old Testament. Egypt's pharaoh was disturbed by dreams in which seven lean cows devoured seven fat cows and seven withered ears of grain consumed seven healthy ones. Joseph interpreted the dreams to mean that there would be seven years of abundance in Egypt followed by seven years of famine. He advised pharaoh to begin storing surplus grain.


The description of the pyramids as "Joseph's Granaries" stretches as far back as the sixth century, when they were identified as such by Gregory of Tours in his History of the Franks. The theory was further popularized by works such as The Book of John Mandeville, a hugely popular 14th century travelogue that at one point notes:

I will speak about something else that is beyond Babylon across the Nile River towards the desert between Africa and Egypt: these are Joseph's Granaries, which he had made to store the wheat for hard times. They are made of well-hewn stone. Two of them are amazingly large and tall and the others are not so big. And each granary has an entrance for going inside a little above the ground, for the land has been ravaged and ruined since the granaries were built.

Inside they are completely full of snakes; and outside on these granaries are many writings in different languages. Some say that they are tombs of the great lords of antiquity, but that is not true....if they were tombs, they would not be empty inside, nor would they have entrances for going inside, nor are tombs ever made of such a large size and such a height—which is why it is not to be believed that they are tombs.

A depiction of the Egyptian pyramids as Joseph's granaries appears in a 12th-century mosaic on one of the domes of St. Mark's Basilica in Venice (see photo above).

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Egyptians did build granaries. They were called granaries.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is an estimated 2.5 million stones in the Great Pyramid. The Pyramid was built in 20 years, supposidly.

Which is an insane amount of work to supposedly build so capacity for grain storage. You keep going on and on, trying to parrot ignorance as if it were some kind of secret wisdom, all so you can impotently cast needle pricks into otherwise well established knowledge. Yet for all your efforts, you fail to produce even a scintilla that even remotely implies Carson's granary theory as even worth imagining.

So, it doesn't really matter if you want to believe that the pyramids were intended to be tombs, or whether you believe that they ever were used as tombs (notice that nobody here claims to know for sure whether that ever came to fruition). Carson has invented his own little idea out of whole cloth, and those of us who aren't idiots reject his invention, and chastise it for what it is. Carson's 'theory' is based on the fact that "Holy shit dat der thang is big!" And it is a desperate attempt to yet again fashion reality around his 1st grade level religious beliefs. He may as well be trying to claim that thunder is the sound of angels bowling.

There is not even a remote slice of evidence that would ever bring any sane person with even a cursory amount of actual knowledge to support Carson's granary hypothesis.

I am not even arguing that it was built to store grain. But maybe it stored grain, I find that doubtful. But it is not like Carson created the idea. What I am saying is that it amazing how closed minds to anything other then their preconceived ideas.

Here is where the grainery idea originated, and it was with Carson.

10 Bizarre Theories About The Pyramids That DON'T Involve Aliens

1) The Pyramids Were Built To Store Grain

Medieval Europeans believed the pyramids were granaries described in the Old Testament. Egypt's pharaoh was disturbed by dreams in which seven lean cows devoured seven fat cows and seven withered ears of grain consumed seven healthy ones. Joseph interpreted the dreams to mean that there would be seven years of abundance in Egypt followed by seven years of famine. He advised pharaoh to begin storing surplus grain.


The description of the pyramids as "Joseph's Granaries" stretches as far back as the sixth century, when they were identified as such by Gregory of Tours in his History of the Franks. The theory was further popularized by works such as The Book of John Mandeville, a hugely popular 14th century travelogue that at one point notes:

I will speak about something else that is beyond Babylon across the Nile River towards the desert between Africa and Egypt: these are Joseph's Granaries, which he had made to store the wheat for hard times. They are made of well-hewn stone. Two of them are amazingly large and tall and the others are not so big. And each granary has an entrance for going inside a little above the ground, for the land has been ravaged and ruined since the granaries were built.

Inside they are completely full of snakes; and outside on these granaries are many writings in different languages. Some say that they are tombs of the great lords of antiquity, but that is not true....if they were tombs, they would not be empty inside, nor would they have entrances for going inside, nor are tombs ever made of such a large size and such a height—which is why it is not to be believed that they are tombs.

A depiction of the Egyptian pyramids as Joseph's granaries appears in a 12th-century mosaic on one of the domes of St. Mark's Basilica in Venice (see photo above).

IOW Carson is just confused.

 

[SwimExpert]

Medieval Europeans believed...

There's all your answers right there. Carson is promoting Middle Ages level archeological theories. Since then, we've gone inside the and learned a thing or two.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Aren't the entrances to pyramids on the small side and thus impractical as grain storage or distribution centres?

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Plus the entrances to the pyramids are on the bottom on one side. Grain elevators put grain IN at the top and take it out the bottom. There are no holes in the top of ANY of the pyramids to put grain in. And the pyramids are pretty much 98% solid blocks of stone according to the x-rays and sonar scans. A few passageways and chambers but nothing big enough to hold enough grain to be worth going to all the trouble of building them.

THE MAN IS A FUCKING IDIOT.

In my opinion, he has suffered one or more strokes and that caused him to make the medical mistakes and the authorities to take his knife away and he " retired ". Who gives up a career where you make thousands of dollars a day unless you are pretty old?

If he had strokes that would also account for the gibberish garbage he spews daily now.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS

Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your first link Says :
What follows is a summary of what IAEA and UNSCOM had found in Iraq, up until 1998.
Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS............that link goes up to 1998...that of course is 5 years before we invaded

Your Second Link is worst...........March 16, 1988....we gave him those WMD at that time LOL

I rate your link and responses as

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Medieval Europeans believed the pyramids were granaries

They also believed that the world was flat and that witches could fly ....lets go with Medieval knowledge base ...this dude is unbelievable LOL

 

[Vandalshandle]

The reason why the Egyptians built the pyramids in 20 years was because they were 7th Day Adventists, and they knew that the world was going to come to an end on the 21st year.