Ben Carson says abortion is same as human sacrifice!

[ScreamingEagle]

First of, lets be clear. I am against abortion for a fetus that is 7 months old.

But until that fetus is delivered, it's still a fetus, at 7 months it is a viable fetus, but still a fetus. Not a baby.

allow me to enlighten you......a fetus is quite commonly called a baby or a child...

'the baby just kicked'...

'when our child is born we will name him...'

Right, when he is born. You can play semantics games all day long, but words do have definitions. Feel free to look them up sometime. You'll be amazed.

you are the one playing semantics....because you want to deny that a fetus is also a baby/child...

go ahead and kill a woman and her unborn child.....you will be charged with the murder of TWO people...then try to talk your way out of that with semantics....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That was the sentiment of the candidate the Mr. Carson supported.

Whatever. Do you disagree that God and the baby have no relationship with the mother and butcher..um doctor?

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Correct.

In fact, it's not considered a person until born.

 

[Ibentoken]

You might be an idiot if you don't realize a human fetus is a human being.

Its fun to interchange words and their meanings. Anything can mean everything!

Let me guess you're one of those "patriots" who believe, socialism, communism, marxism...all the same thing. Right?

You're the idiot telling us a human fetus isn't human.

 

[BlindBoo]

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

It was a quote from Mr. Carson about a candidate he supported. She was pro-choice. That was how Ben characterized her belief. He was defending her.

I'm not sure what your human fetus point is?

A human fetus is a human being.

So being human is about the only things the two have in common. I mean Human sacrifices were huge rituals for those cultures. Big, note worthy events. Abortions, meh, I'm sure the participants would rather go unnoticed. Mr. Carson is just using inflammatory rhetoric with that stupid comparison to light a fire under his ever decreasing base.

 

[Ibentoken]

Whatever. Do you disagree that God and the baby have no relationship with the mother and butcher..um doctor?

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Correct.

In fact, it's not considered a person until born.

Then why is Scott Peterson in jail for murdering his kid?

 

[RDD_1210]

Oh, I'm sorry. You don't understand the premise you asserted...

Let me explain..you need to prove exactly HOW a human fetus is closer to a parasite than to a human being.

It is a faulty premise..because of course both are human...but still, let's just pretend it made sense in the first place...now provide the studies that specifically list the points of alignment, and how a human fetus is more like a parasite than a human (which of course it is, or it wouldn't be a HUMAN fetus).

1...2...3.....go!

How about reading what I actually said. You keep trying to change my words. Why is that?

You don't like the definition of the word. Take it up with Merriam Webster.

 

[Ibentoken]

It was a quote from Mr. Carson about a candidate he supported. She was pro-choice. That was how Ben characterized her belief. He was defending her.

I'm not sure what your human fetus point is?

A human fetus is a human being.

So being human is about the only things the two have in common. I mean Human sacrifices were huge rituals for those cultures. Big, note worthy events. Abortions, meh, I'm sure the participants would rather go unnoticed. Mr. Carson is just using inflammatory rhetoric with that stupid comparison to light a fire under his ever decreasing base.

LOL. So you are against "inflammatory rhetoric" now. You mean like the lefty reaction to the Hobby Lobby decision? The Tea Party is racist?

 

[RDD_1210]

Do parasites actually grow into a replica of their host?

Are you sure you aren't confusing science with Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

You do realize there's a difference between science...and science FICTION, right?

par·a·site (pr-st)
n.
1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

parasite - definition of parasite by The Free Dictionary

Let me guess, the dictionary is a liberal biased source?

They are not different organisms. They are mother and child. Both human. You're not a liberal. You're an idiot.

And right over your head!

You been token again?

 

[RDD_1210]

You might be an idiot if you don't realize a human fetus is a human being.

Its fun to interchange words and their meanings. Anything can mean everything!

Let me guess you're one of those "patriots" who believe, socialism, communism, marxism...all the same thing. Right?

You're the idiot telling us a human fetus isn't human.

Sure didn't. Why can't you argue the things I ACTUALLY say? Maybe because your argument is such a piece of shit, you need to change my words to fit your agenda.

Nah, they couldn't be it. Could it?

 

[Ibentoken]

Oh, I'm sorry. You don't understand the premise you asserted...

Let me explain..you need to prove exactly HOW a human fetus is closer to a parasite than to a human being.

It is a faulty premise..because of course both are human...but still, let's just pretend it made sense in the first place...now provide the studies that specifically list the points of alignment, and how a human fetus is more like a parasite than a human (which of course it is, or it wouldn't be a HUMAN fetus).

1...2...3.....go!

How about reading what I actually said. You keep trying to change my words. Why is that?

You don't like the definition of the word. Take it up with Merriam Webster.

You are the one who doesn't understand the definition of "parasite". If you aren't intelligent enough to argue without making shit up then find a new hobby.

 

[Ibentoken]

Its fun to interchange words and their meanings. Anything can mean everything!

Let me guess you're one of those "patriots" who believe, socialism, communism, marxism...all the same thing. Right?

You're the idiot telling us a human fetus isn't human.

Sure didn't. Why can't you argue the things I ACTUALLY say? Maybe because your argument is such a piece of shit, you need to change my words to fit your agenda.

Nah, they couldn't be it. Could it?

Oh, excuse me. So the fetus is a human being. Correct? Why do you condone murdering defenseless human beings?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He's right

In your errant, subjective opinion, which you're entitled to express.

As a fact of constitutional law, however, you're both wrong.

The question is bigger than Constitutional law, most people actually understand that.

By the way, have you read the Hobby Lobby decision? Do you remember when I argues that the RFRA was the proper frame of reference, and when you dismissed my arguments?

 

[mamooth]

Summary: Ben Carson has adopted the "There's no such thing as bad attention" policy to boost book sales. And is writing off any presidential ambitions. You can't act as crazy as he does and be taken seriously by enough voters, even if you're a Republican.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Whatever. Do you disagree that God and the baby have no relationship with the mother and butcher..um doctor?

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

you believe it is a fetus, not a baby.
He believes a fetus IS a baby.

The rest is just political rhetoric and spin.

Actually the rest is philosophy, morals, and ethics. After we go through that we get down to politics.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I knew you'd say something like that. The Hobby Lobby employee's insurance policy also belongs to the employee, not the Hobby Lobby owners,

therefore Hobby Lobby was not buying birth control for them any more than they would be if the Hobby Lobby employee used her paycheck to pay for an abortion.

And I knew you would say something like that.

Hobby Lobby DOES own the insurance policy. It is under their group policy, premiums are paid by the employer and if the employee were to leave, but keep the insurance, the employee would be given a completely different policy number.

I see you have never owned a business.

So again, your argument is lame. It does not add up.

Find a better one.

The premiums are paid by the employee by the work the employee does. That makes the policy the property of the employee.

You can't go to Hobby Lobby and go on their insurance and have Hobby Lobby pay for it unless you WORK for Hobby Lobby, correct?

Therefore your WORK is the payment for the premium that Hobby Lobby uses to acquire the insurance. Hobby Lobby buys the insurance with the employee's earnings.

And you cannot force them to pay for things they have an objection to. If you believed in freedom, that would make you a happy camper. The only reason to hate the decision is if you prefer tyranny to freedom.

 

[koshergrl]

I could respect it if they actually practiced what they preached, but once the baby is actually born they don't give a shit about its well being. Which kills all the credibility they might have had about caring about the well being of the baby.

They don't.

You have gone form a engaging in an interesting debate to expressing hatred for those that think differently than you.

This board sucks the sanity out of all of us from time to time.

Interesting debate?

You have zombies like Koshergirl calling people baby killers and you think thats interesting debate? Please, let's not pretend she is open to real discussion when we both know she clearly isn't interested or capable.

On the other hand, we have an idiot like you who claims that a human fetus isn't human, and is more like to a parasite than a human.

When in fact, the definition of fetus in the human species is, indeed, HUMAN fetus.

So I suppose I should just call you a human killer, instead of a baby killer.

Though TECHNICALLY, you aren't interested in killing all humans...(or we will give you the benefit of the doubt). You're only interested in killing humans at the very beginning of their life...in the embryonic and fetal stages.

Though I bet if I scratched you, we'd see you also approve of killing the malformed, the elderly, the mentally challenged, and probably the religious as well. Most baby killers have those desires in common.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Abortion indeed, has nothing to do with religion. Human sacrifice did. Most of the anti-choice crowd (ya'll) also push a religious doctrine and some with a zealot like furor.

There is an example of the problem.

To you, abortion has nothing to do with religion. IO respect that. To me, it, too has nothing to do with religion. I am not overly religious.

However, to the religious right, abortion is directly related to their belief. They do not believe in killing an unborn child and they believe conception is when life begins.

I disagree, but I respect it. I will never frown on one who is against abortion for religious reasons.

But I am pro choice non the less.

If it's someones religious belief then they have a choice too. I respect that in that they choose, in their personal life, not to have an abortion. I have no problem with that, the problem I have is the zealot parts that are forcing their religious beliefs on others.

What about the people who don't have religious beliefs, but still want to make abortion illegal? Does their argument that human life means more than a woman's convenience amount to fording their religion on others? r are you jst pretending that the issue is religion to avoid the larger implications of killing a child?

 

[BlindBoo]

A human fetus is a human being.

So being human is about the only things the two have in common. I mean Human sacrifices were huge rituals for those cultures. Big, note worthy events. Abortions, meh, I'm sure the participants would rather go unnoticed. Mr. Carson is just using inflammatory rhetoric with that stupid comparison to light a fire under his ever decreasing base.

LOL. So you are against "inflammatory rhetoric" now. You mean like the lefty reaction to the Hobby Lobby decision? The Tea Party is racist?

Just pointing out how stupid the comparison was.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Why are there two different terms if they mean the same thing?

People like to name things.

Why are there different terms after birth? Does the fact that we differentiate between baby, toddler, child, preteen, teenager, and adult mean that they are not all human?

 

[BlindBoo]

You might be an idiot if you don't realize a human fetus is a human being.

Its fun to interchange words and their meanings. Anything can mean everything!

Let me guess you're one of those "patriots" who believe, socialism, communism, marxism...all the same thing. Right?

You're the idiot telling us a human fetus isn't human.

Okay no fetus fights.

Adapted from the most inappropriate cartoon ever!