BBC obtains footage from January 13 of a man they say is Alex Pretti

Blah blah blah is all I read there.
Sorry to hear you never made it past wood blocks and horseys.

He did break a taillight. Their option would have been to turn him into the cops for vandalism.
That was destruction of government property punishable with up to 20 years in prison. Someone has already posted the laws.

Instead they jumped him pushed him down then let him go. Alex never pushed, swung, or fought anyone then either. He was clearly confrontational but not violent.
Man, I need me some of whatever you are smoking, plus a shot at buying whatever rose-colored glasses you own.
Pretti instigated 100% of everything he got.
 
Sorry to hear you never made it past wood blocks and horseys.
I made it through UF with 2 degrees and have a graduate degree from Michigan.
That was destruction of government property punishable with up to 20 years in prison. Someone has already posted the laws.
No. It’s a misdemeanor costing less than $1,000 to repair.

18 U.S.C. § 1361 – Destruction of Government Property

Under federal law:​

  • Damage ≤ $1,000
    • Misdemeanor
    • Max penalty: 1 year
  • Damage > $1,000
    • Felony
    • Max penalty: 10 years
  • Only reaches 20 years if:
    • The damage endangers human life, or
    • The act involves fire, explosives, or serious sabotage
Man, I need me some of whatever you are smoking, plus a shot at buying whatever rose-colored glasses you own.
Pretti instigated 100% of everything he got.
He committed a misdemeanor. I don’t support breaking taillights but he wasn’t violent in any encounter.
 
Alex Pretti still didn't deserve to die, but this changes the context of the shooting because now he is a known violent agitator WITH a gun and that changes the mindset of law enforcement in that moment. It also puts to rest the media narrative of a peaceful nurse being murdered.

In this video from January 13th, he was doing everything on camera except "legal observing." This is aggravated assault, obstruction, destruction of government property, vandalism, battery, etc.

Like Renee Good, he had no business being there and involving himself in the legal actions of law enforcement and as a result he's now dead. Like Renee Good, he was not a mentally stable individual. Mentally well people simply don't engage in conduct like this.

None of this stopped the media, of course, from running with the narrative they wanted.


Contrary to popular belief, that doesn't strengthen ICE's case. In fact it makes it look like they had a grudge against him because they clearly did not shoot him in defense of themselves or anyone else if they shot him while he was pinned down, on the ground, in his back.

He was not, at the point that they shot him, a threat to them.
 
I made it through UF with 2 degrees and have a graduate degree from Michigan.
Is that supposed to impress me? You don't want to hear my qualifications as you wouldn't believe them. You'd claim I just made it up.

No. It’s a misdemeanor costing less than $1,000 to repair.
I'd make sure the bill came to $1001. Then throw Pretti in jail for the full 10 years.
Thing is, he got off scott free because ICE, Homan and Trump are just TOO FARGIN NICE.
 
Yep. Violent agitator. With violent destruction of government operated, possibly government owned vehicle property, which taxpayers will have to pay to repair, why was he not arrested charged and booked, right then? They could not spare the time to do the paperwork? Not everything in law enforcement is beat down and show force. Sometimes, you have to do the paperwork, whether paperwork is sexy or not.
Yeah except you can't go and shoot someone, killing them, after the fact because of something they did at some other point in time.
 
Pretti committed a federal felony by vandalizing an ICE vehicle while carrying a concealed weapon.

"AI Overview

Vandalizing a federal vehicle is a felony under most circumstances, and committing any felony while carrying a legal concealed weapon will result in additional, severe charges.

Vandalism of a Federal Vehicle
Vandalism of a federal vehicle is prosecuted under federal law, specifically 18 U.S.C. § 1361, which addresses the destruction of government property.
  • If the damage is valued at over $1,000, the offense is a felony, punishable by a fine and/or up to ten years in federal prison.
  • If the damage is valued at or under $1,000, the offense is a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine and/or up to one year in federal prison.
Given the repair costs for modern vehicles, it is highly likely that any significant vandalism would exceed the $1,000 threshold and thus be charged as a felony.

Carrying a Concealed Weapon

The legality of your concealed weapon permit is irrelevant if you are committing a crime, especially a felony. While a permit allows for lawful carrying in a normal context, committing a crime with a firearm present almost always leads to additional, severe criminal charges. The presence of the weapon during the commission of a felony can:
  • Enhance the primary charge: The act of using or even possessing a weapon during a crime can significantly increase the penalties for the underlying vandalism charge.
  • Result in separate weapons charges: You will face separate federal and potentially state charges related to the possession of a firearm during the commission of a federal offense.
  • Lead to mandatory minimum sentences: Federal weapons charges often carry mandatory minimum prison sentences, significantly increasing the total potential incarceration time.
In summary, the act of vandalizing a federal vehicle is likely a felony on its own, and the presence of a concealed weapon would drastically escalate the legal consequences."
Would you please cite the federal statutes you're referencing, it's makes it much easier to follow along with what you're posting, thanks.
 
Yeah except you can't go and shoot someone, killing them, after the fact because of something they did at some other point in time.
Go become an officer and show us how it's done. Go get your family/kids doxxed, have your house called with threats, get screamed at have things thrown at you, get followed and harrassed for weeks.. and then have paid agitators mess with you and see how you do.
 
Yeah except you can't go and shoot someone, killing them, after the fact because of something they did at some other point in time.
I bet the idiots that did the shooting, never knew of any past misdeads, as the guy killed had only been knocked around, never arrest by the earlier goons. There probably wasn't anything on him but computer ID from photo analysis, him being a Federal Government employee at the VA, and 3,000 agents do not get every photo computer ID generated from every day, of 3,000 agents working on the street for two weeks.
He was not killed for earlier contacts. He was killed, by assholes reacting in panic, after petty was disarmed, but officers losing situational awareness and freaking out at the announcement of Gun, when he was disarmed.
 
Go become an officer and show us how it's done. Go get your family/kids doxxed, have your house called with threats, get screamed at have things thrown at you, get followed and harrassed for weeks.. and then have paid agitators mess with you and see how you do.
If they are unable to do the job as the professionals they were hired to be then they are not suited for law enforcement work. If they can't do their job without violating the civil rights of the population that they were hired to serve, they have no business working in law enforcement.

Me doing the job better does nothing to correct their incompetence nor do I need to actually walk in their shoes to know I have no interest in working with the public in that capacity.
 
Democrats calling for violence against ICE need to be held accountable for attacks they inspire.

If democrats regain power they plan to fly back all the gang bangers Trump deported, give them large tax payer paid settlements, and turn them loose on Americans.

Democrats = traitors
They BROUGHT all there illegals here for Votes
 
I bet the idiots that did the shooting, never knew of any past misdeads, as the guy killed had only been knocked around, never arrest by the earlier goons. There probably wasn't anything on him but computer ID from photo analysis, him being a Federal Government employee at the VA, and 3,000 agents do not get every photo computer ID generated from every day, of 3,000 agents working on the street for two weeks.
He was not killed for earlier contacts. He was killed, by assholes reacting in panic, after petty was disarmed, but officers losing situational awareness and freaking out at the announcement of Gun, when he was disarmed.
I agree with everything you except that it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that they did indeed know who he was.
 
If they are unable to do the job as the professionals they were hired to be then they are not suited for law enforcement work. If they can't do their job without violating the civil rights of the population that they were hired to serve, they have no business working in law enforcement.

Me doing the job better does nothing to correct their incompetence nor do I need to actually walk in their shoes to know I have no interest in working with the public in that capacity.
Keyboard warrior. I bet you are cool as a cucumber under the most intense pressure LOL.

I mean, Lebron James missed a free throw the other day. Can you believe it? Late in the 4th quarter, dripping with sweat, he missed a 15 foot shot standing still with no defenders. Can you BELIEVE the incompetence? You or I would have made it for sure!

Zero-sum logic is just dumb.
 
I agree with everything you except that it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that they did indeed know who he was.
The heck you do. You just made it very clear they were completely incompetent, and seemed to insinuate that mistakes aren't tolerated. Well, I hate to break it to you, but humans make mistakes.. and this appears to be grey area where nobody was completely right and nobody was completely wrong. Pretti was dumb to charge into the way and obstruct federal officers while armed (even if its legal), and amidst confusion and uncertainty an officer might have pulled the trigger a bit too hastily in a high-tension atmosphere and situation. That's why you have some wisdom, and if you're going to protest, do so off to the side, ESPECIALLY if you have a gun. Any gun training will tell you that it's stupid to do what Pretti did.
 
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Blah blah blah is all I read there.

He did break a taillight. Their option would have been to turn him into the cops for vandalism. Instead they jumped him pushed him down then let him go. Alex never pushed, swung, or fought anyone then either. He was clearly confrontational but not violent.
Blah blah blah is all I read there.
 

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