Battle of Bakhmud won by Russia

[skye]

 

[badger2]

Well....almost. There are still Ukranian troops in the city....it ain't much that's for sure but then the Ukranians have begun encircling the city. The railroad depots are now within reach of mortars as well as artillery....even the small artillery rounds. (North of Bakhmut) (Everything is within reach of HIMARS. )

Which is their next problem to deal with after they decide who actually gets to try to take that last bit of Bakhmut.....because whoever does it is "The Hero of the People's Republic of Russia"
And Prigozhin has really made some enemies out of Shoigu and Putin and others. They want someone else to finish it. (Just saying)

Then there's Klishchiivka....high ground. It overlooks Bakhmut and it's falling due to rapid, bad order withdrawals.

Then there's the problem with Mariupol....Tartars still live there and are waiting for the word to begin making life hell for the invaders.

As Mariupol gets remodeled, Putin has already shown the Tartars respect in the media by visiting China, whose ancient literature and poetry has also paid such respect, in.... "Tartar horns draw out the North wind, whirling water-wheels melt purple iron in the Gallery of the Painted Unicorn," (T'ang Dynasty).

 

[badger2]

Yeah....but they have been relatively untouched by the war. Very minor inconveniences is about it up to this point except for the conscription.

ALL politics are extremely local there. (You actually have to visit to understand)

Also Ukranians tend to be extremely indecisive when in public. Because in every time past having an opinion about anything would get you killed. Those with an opinion have left the country. It's generational behavior these days....you only share your opinion with CLOSE family....maybe a friend. Strangers? Never!

Because if Russia wins (which they can't even if they do) these people are scared of reprisals. And Russia has plans for every teacher, politician, and etc that can make their hold on Ukraine difficult. They have mobile crematorium for a reason.

Don't have to visit, only read. The French have also addressed this concept of locality (Deleuze, Desert Isles and Other Texts, "How Do We Recognize Structuralism?")

No surprise that Putin is disgusted with an international drug-trafficking hub such as Ukraine.

'Undoubtedly, we are living amidst an ocean of illegality, and local influence is one of the greatest, if not the greatest, obstacle to the establishment of law and culture.'
(Lenin's Letter to Stalin, "Dual, Subordination and Legality.")

 

[Ringo]

The Ukrainian media write that Bakhmut is completely under the control of the Wagner PMC

If the information is true, Prigozhin is a good media actor and fulfilled his informational task perfectly.
It is a compliment.

 

[JohnDB]

The Ukrainian media write that Bakhmut is completely under the control of the Wagner PMC

If the information is true, Prigozhin is a good media actor and fulfilled his informational task perfectly.
It is a compliment.

Last I heard they still hold a square KM of area....dunno. the truth is getting more difficult to find as there is an overload of crap to sift through and the usually more reliable sources are silent or have been silenced.

 

[badger2]

Last I heard they still hold a square KM of area....dunno. the truth is getting more difficult to find as there is an overload of crap to sift through and the usually more reliable sources are silent or have been silenced.

Yesterday some sources said it would still be a few days for complete Russian control.

 

[badger2]

Yeah....but they have been relatively untouched by the war. Very minor inconveniences is about it up to this point except for the conscription.

ALL politics are extremely local there. (You actually have to visit to understand)

Also Ukranians tend to be extremely indecisive when in public. Because in every time past having an opinion about anything would get you killed. Those with an opinion have left the country. It's generational behavior these days....you only share your opinion with CLOSE family....maybe a friend. Strangers? Never!

Because if Russia wins (which they can't even if they do) these people are scared of reprisals. And Russia has plans for every teacher, politician, and etc that can make their hold on Ukraine difficult. They have mobile crematorium for a reason.

Opinions leaving don't bode well as a social glue. The SBU may as well be FSB, then. As for the Tartars, Chinese art reveres them: the Tartar dark archer with white headband shooting the arrow aloft. Doubtful anything subversive will come of it against Russia. The Corsican flag also shows a white headband.

Locally, what does it mean to pretend not to notice the incoming missiles (and[italics]) perceive the contradiction: the bunker is locked.

There seems at least three parameters involved with these two images, missile and bunker, and this investigation could just as well serve to schizoanalyze the pathologies of transgenderism (LGBTQ+), Ukrainian swastikas, etc. In his passages on symbology, Carl Gustav Jung also remarked on the "boundless space" of the mind:

In comparison, superimposing tranny narcissism over Ukraine paranoia or lack thereof, is disturbingly easy, and much can be covered in three or four paragraphs:

'I. First Criterion: The Symbolic
We are used to, almost conditioned to a certain distinction or correlation between the real and the imaginary. All of our thought maintains a dialectical play between these two notions.
....
The first criterion of structuralism, however, is the discovery and recognition of a third order, a third regime: that of the symbolic.

II. Second Criterion: Local or Positional

What does the symbolic element of the structure consist of? We sense the need to go slowly, to state repeatedly, first of all, what it is not. Distinct from the real and the imaginary, the symbolic cannot be defined either by pre-existing realities to which it refer and which it would designate, or by the imaginary or conceptual contents which it would implicate, and which would give it a signification.

The elements of a structure have neither extrinsic designation, nor intrinsic signification. Then what is left? As Levi-Strauss recalls rigorously, they have nothing other than a (sense [sens (italics))= meaning and direction]: a sense which is necessarily and uniquely "positional."

It is not a matter of a location in a real spatial expanse, nor of sites in imaginary extensions, but rather of places and sites in a properly structural space, that is, a topological space. Space is what is structural, but an unextended, pre-extensive space, pure (spatium [it.]) constituted bit by bit as an order of proximity, in which the notion of proximity first of all has precisely an ordinal sense and not a signification in extension.

Or take genetic biology: the genes are part of a structure to the extent that they are inseparable from "loci," sites capable of changing their relation within the chromosome. In short, places in a purely structural space are primary in relation to the things and real beings which come to occupy them, primary also in relation to the always somewhat imaginary roles and events which necessarily appear when they are occupied....Structuralism cannot be separated from a new transcendental philosophy, in which the sites prevail over whatever occupies them.'
(Deleuze, How Do We Recognize Structuralism, in Desert Islands and Other Texts, 1953-1974)


When the delirious LGBTQ+ alphabet gets to "T" is where Deleuze's chromosome will rise to its apology.

 

[badger2]

Bahmut 20m ago

 

[badger2]

Wagner will be rotated out for a rest.

https://twitter.com/status/1659923580988317696?cxt=HHwWgIDT8fjsnYkuAAAA

 

[badger2]

 

[JWBooth]

Ok, now Artemovsk has been taken. Anniversary of Ukronazi defeat at Mariupol

 

[Ringo]

Chronicles of the Bakhmut military conglomerate in numbers.

- 21 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated
- 10 AFU brigades completely lost combat effectiveness
- 57,000 AFU personnel killed and more than 85,000 wounded
- more than 10,000 AFU vehicles and armaments destroyed
- More than 50 aircraft and helicopters of the AFU were shot down in the sky over Bakhmut
- More than 6,500 foreign mercenaries were destroyed
- over 100,000 items of small arms and ammunition were lost by the Ukrainian armed forces
- More than 35,000 weapons were captured by the Wagner PMC during the battles for Soledar and Bakhmut

 

[skye]

Wagner taken control of Bakhmut.

It was inevitable.

We told you so.

 

[para bellum]

We told you so.

Yeah, you told us so 10 weeks ago when Bakhmut was 95% encircled, lol. I bet you think the Russians will launch an offensive out of Bakhmut now.

The AFU spent 5 months slowly withdrawing, and extracted maximum cost from Russia in the process. Much of Wagner has been finished off inside the city, and the Russian regforce has been clobbered on the outskirts, both north and south.

Bakhmut is a mousetrap. If the AFU continues to advance on the flanks, the Russians will have no option but to withdraw. There are few places to hide inside a flattened city, and they know they can't advance- which is why they have been targeting the bridges out of Bakhmut- they are afraid of an AFU counteroffensive.

10 months for the mighty Russian army to take one midlin-size city, that will have zero effect on the course of the war, other than they spent an inordinate amount of resources for what they gained.

The reality:

The way you act:

 

[skye]

Yeah, you told us so 10 weeks ago when Bakhmut was 95% encircled, lol. I bet you think the Russians will launch an offensive out of Bakhmut now.

The AFU spent 5 months slowly withdrawing, and extracted maximum cost from Russia in the process. Much of Wagner has been finished off inside the city, and the Russian regforce has been clobbered on the outskirts, both north and south.

Bakhmut is a mousetrap. If the AFU continues to advance on the flanks, the Russians will have no option but to withdraw. There are few places to hide inside a flattened city, and they know they can't advance- which is why they have been targeting the bridges out of Bakhmut- they are afraid of an AFU counteroffensive.

10 months for the mighty Russian army to take one midlin-size city, that will have zero effect on the course of the war, other than they spent an inordinate amount of resources for what they gained.

The reality:

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The way you act:

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I know it must be difficult for you, but at some point you must face reality.

You have lost this war, go find another one to fight LOL!

 

[Silver Cat]

Chronicles of the Bakhmut military conglomerate in numbers.

- 21 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated
- 10 AFU brigades completely lost combat effectiveness
- 57,000 AFU personnel killed and more than 85,000 wounded
- more than 10,000 AFU vehicles and armaments destroyed
- More than 50 aircraft and helicopters of the AFU were shot down in the sky over Bakhmut
- More than 6,500 foreign mercenaries were destroyed
- over 100,000 items of small arms and ammunition were lost by the Ukrainian armed forces
- More than 35,000 weapons were captured by the Wagner PMC during the battles for Soledar and Bakhmut

My congratulations, bro. But there is a plenty of porkchop to be done.

 

[JWBooth]

 

[Oddball]

Chronicles of the Bakhmut military conglomerate in numbers.

- 21 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated
- 10 AFU brigades completely lost combat effectiveness
- 57,000 AFU personnel killed and more than 85,000 wounded
- more than 10,000 AFU vehicles and armaments destroyed
- More than 50 aircraft and helicopters of the AFU were shot down in the sky over Bakhmut
- More than 6,500 foreign mercenaries were destroyed
- over 100,000 items of small arms and ammunition were lost by the Ukrainian armed forces
- More than 35,000 weapons were captured by the Wagner PMC during the battles for Soledar and Bakhmut

Exactly why Murica and the west should stay the hell out.....The Ukrainians lost in one battle nearly as many troops the the US lost in all of the Vietnam war....This is the savagery and horrifying attrition that caused this region of Eurasia to become known as "the bloodlands".

 

[para bellum]

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"The loss of Izium and the northern supply routes makes all that irrelevant. Bakhmut no longer has any strategic significance. It makes no military sense to continue frontal assaults at Bakhmut while Ukraine is making advances to the north."

-Me, last September...

i've re-considered the entire Ukraine case.. enter *your* opinions please..

"This war will go down in history as ..." What's not right with that, dimwit? It's exactly what will come of this anti NATO compagne.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Calypso Jones]

No, its not....

Bakmut isn't of major strategic importance...

The main strategic purpose is to use the battle to weaken Russia's army. One Western official put it bluntly: "Bakhmut, because of the Russian tactics, is giving Ukraine a unique opportunity to kill a lot of Russians."
Nato sources estimate five Russians are dying for every one Ukrainian in Bakhmut.

Ukraine war: Why Bakhmut matters for Russia and Ukraine

Tens of thousands have died fighting for a city with little strategic value. Why?

www.bbc.com

Truth is the battle for Bakmut has severely weakened Russia and cost a lot of resources...

The main fighting will start in about a month... That is when the war really kicks off again...
The next fight will be over Mariupol, Ukraine will attempt to cut off Russians land bridge to Crimea.

LOLOLOL

The main fighting will start in about a month... That is when the war really kicks off again...

oh this so reminds me of Fauci's...'oh, the worst isn't the last two weeks, it's the COMING two weeks...and he did that how many times?? LOOLOLOLOLOLOL

Bahkmud has fallen. period. But you keep on pitching those talking points. LOL