Bashar al-Assad is still the problem

[irosie91]

What is wrong being an alawite?

Alawites are the biggest minority in Syria.

12% of the population controlling the country. This was the problem in Iraq, shiites trying to rule the majority sunni population. You cannot cut the majority of the country out of their share of government or representation. You cannot have a minority oppressing the majority with expecting them to protest, speak out or even lead to violent uprisings.

I agree. So what is the solution? We should let muslim brotherhood and ihwan to take over the control and oppress the minorities with the power of the majority?

One should realize; democracy, human rights, secularism, liberties,.. these dont come from within. People of the west take these granted, but they are not. A society has to go through processes to achieve such levels. You can't expect these out of the box from a middle east society with all its sectarian conflicts and problems.

Their are free syrians and political parties that have been kept off ballots that are democratic and secular.

it seems to me that the Iranian partyline is-------nothing could be better than
BAATHIST for sunnis. Russia feels the same way. The US went from
subjects of the British king to democracy in one day ------July 4 1776

Until you realize that about 20% of the population were slaves.

about 20% of what population? There is nothing in the term "democracy"
or "republic" that precludes the practice of slavery------ask Plato

 

[irosie91]

I agree. So what is the solution? We should let muslim brotherhood and ihwan to take over the control and oppress the minorities with the power of the majority?

One should realize; democracy, human rights, secularism, liberties,.. these dont come from within. People of the west take these granted, but they are not. A society has to go through processes to achieve such levels. You can't expect these out of the box from a middle east society with all its sectarian conflicts and problems.

Their are free syrians and political parties that have been kept off ballots that are democratic and secular.

it seems to me that the Iranian partyline is-------nothing could be better than
BAATHIST for sunnis. Russia feels the same way. The US went from
subjects of the British king to democracy in one day ------July 4 1776

Hahaha, if this is your history knowledge, then it is no surprise your ignorant comments are popping out from left and right.

Do you know what magna carta is? Briton is the first country on the face of this planet to be able draft anything close to a democracy. USA raise on top of this heritage and set of ideas grown to a perfect mixture which did take hundreds of years.....

You are a fool.....

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

 

[alpine]

Their are free syrians and political parties that have been kept off ballots that are democratic and secular.

it seems to me that the Iranian partyline is-------nothing could be better than
BAATHIST for sunnis. Russia feels the same way. The US went from
subjects of the British king to democracy in one day ------July 4 1776

Hahaha, if this is your history knowledge, then it is no surprise your ignorant comments are popping out from left and right.

Do you know what magna carta is? Briton is the first country on the face of this planet to be able draft anything close to a democracy. USA raise on top of this heritage and set of ideas grown to a perfect mixture which did take hundreds of years.....

You are a fool.....

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

 

[aris2chat]

Alevis are not awaites

Alevism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>>practices of the Alevis are based on Sufi elements of the Bektashi<<
What’s in a name? Anatolia’s Alevis, Syria’s Alawites

are you that ignorant or just trying to spread disinformation?

I am fucking Turkish, you wikipedia professor....
Turkish Alevis and Syrian Alawites are the same thing. Bektasi is one of the influences on Anatolian alawites.
As I said, sufizm is not a sect or a religion.

Anybody who can type wikipedia.com think they know everything nowadays.
But in fact; you have NO FUCKING idea what you are talking about.........

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم Sufi News and Sufism World Report: Turkish Alevis and Sufism

You dont need all these links. Just ask me, I will educate you.

The first picture, on the wall, left side it is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, right side it is Ali. Middle you see one of the 12 imams alawites see as a representation of 12 different aspects of their religion.
Last picture, again Ali, in the middle, and on his 2 sides again 2 of the 12 imams. And it says ya allah, ya muhammed, ya ali. Meaning first allah, then muhammed, then ali.

Alawites in Turkey and Alawites in Syria are the same sect, just like how orthodox in US and orthodox in Russia are the same. There is no W character in Turkish alphabet, so it is written as ALEVI in Turkish, meaning "the followers of Ali".

When it was the ottoman empire, there was no borders between anatolia and syria, so these people were much more volatile. But after the war, the border was mined, and these 2 societies are not that close anymore. But Turkish ALEVIS are in full dupport of their brothers in Syria for sure........

I know, around 500,000 Alwaites in Turkey, and 10 million Alevis

they are not the same

where are you from?
please explain yourself

Where I am from is relevant to my knowledge of the Middle east or Islam? Trying to find a chink in my back ground to attack is going to make me less right or you less wrong? You are not debating the facts but trying to make this about me. Poor tactic. You did not like Wiki but you can not refute the other sites or information on them.
How did I know what sites to look for or what they would say before finding them? Maybe because I know what to look for and where to look. So why were you and great grape ape so sure I would was wrong?

Stick to points made and facts.

as for the Ottoman empire.... it has always been in a state of flux and sanjuks in part were border lines when the empire fell

 

[aris2chat]

it seems to me that the Iranian partyline is-------nothing could be better than
BAATHIST for sunnis. Russia feels the same way. The US went from
subjects of the British king to democracy in one day ------July 4 1776

Hahaha, if this is your history knowledge, then it is no surprise your ignorant comments are popping out from left and right.

Do you know what magna carta is? Briton is the first country on the face of this planet to be able draft anything close to a democracy. USA raise on top of this heritage and set of ideas grown to a perfect mixture which did take hundreds of years.....

You are a fool.....

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

I don't know if Latin is even taught in school or that the history goes into detail of the Magna Carta outside of England
It should be

Featured Document: The Magna Carta

 

[irosie91]

it seems to me that the Iranian partyline is-------nothing could be better than
BAATHIST for sunnis. Russia feels the same way. The US went from
subjects of the British king to democracy in one day ------July 4 1776

Hahaha, if this is your history knowledge, then it is no surprise your ignorant comments are popping out from left and right.

Do you know what magna carta is? Briton is the first country on the face of this planet to be able draft anything close to a democracy. USA raise on top of this heritage and set of ideas grown to a perfect mixture which did take hundreds of years.....

You are a fool.....

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

I didn't know about the Magna carta? I was educated in US public schools---
we learn about the magna carta in the fourth grade------not that it was such a big
deal. The whole country INCLUDING lots of people was owned by the
"UPPER CLASS"-------- like Downton Abbey ------serfs had did not get any
rights------the situation was no different than it was in the times of Robin Hood
except the "Lords and Ladies" had a bit more control over their own lives.

 

[alpine]

I am fucking Turkish, you wikipedia professor....
Turkish Alevis and Syrian Alawites are the same thing. Bektasi is one of the influences on Anatolian alawites.
As I said, sufizm is not a sect or a religion.

Anybody who can type wikipedia.com think they know everything nowadays.
But in fact; you have NO FUCKING idea what you are talking about.........

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم Sufi News and Sufism World Report: Turkish Alevis and Sufism

You dont need all these links. Just ask me, I will educate you.

The first picture, on the wall, left side it is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, right side it is Ali. Middle you see one of the 12 imams alawites see as a representation of 12 different aspects of their religion.
Last picture, again Ali, in the middle, and on his 2 sides again 2 of the 12 imams. And it says ya allah, ya muhammed, ya ali. Meaning first allah, then muhammed, then ali.

Alawites in Turkey and Alawites in Syria are the same sect, just like how orthodox in US and orthodox in Russia are the same. There is no W character in Turkish alphabet, so it is written as ALEVI in Turkish, meaning "the followers of Ali".

When it was the ottoman empire, there was no borders between anatolia and syria, so these people were much more volatile. But after the war, the border was mined, and these 2 societies are not that close anymore. But Turkish ALEVIS are in full dupport of their brothers in Syria for sure........

I know, around 500,000 Alwaites in Turkey, and 10 million Alevis

they are not the same

where are you from?
please explain yourself

Where I am from is relevant to my knowledge of the Middle east or Islam? Trying to find a chink in my back ground to attack is going to make me less right or you less wrong? You are not debating the facts but trying to make this about me. Poor tactic. You did not like Wiki but you can not refute the other sites or information on them.
How did I know what sites to look for or what they would say before finding them? Maybe because I know what to look for and where to look. So why were you and great grape ape so sure I would was wrong?

Stick to points made and facts.

as for the Ottoman empire.... it has always been in a state of flux and sanjuks in part were border lines when the empire fell

And where are those sancaks in this map? You dont even know what you are looking at. Sancaks have nothing to do what came out of the 1st world war. The border between Syria and Turkey changed after the Greek-Turkish war, the war of Independence for Turkish people fought by the leadership of Mustafa Kemal. And the border changed again in 1938 and Hatay joined Turkish borders, which Syria had a hard time accepting. Turks were planning to take mousul and kirkuk as well, but British refused due to the oil reserves in these areas.

Syria-Iraq border was drawn by British and have again nothing to do with sancaks. The border was agreed in Sykes–Picot Agreement.

Ottoman empire was a highly central government when it was powerful. So sancaks meant close to nothing.

This whole post of yours have literally NOTHING to do with the subject. You are just trying to show us you know the word "sanjuk", but you even got that wrong. The correct word is "sancak", meaning "the banner".

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask...

 

[irosie91]

Hahaha, if this is your history knowledge, then it is no surprise your ignorant comments are popping out from left and right.

Do you know what magna carta is? Briton is the first country on the face of this planet to be able draft anything close to a democracy. USA raise on top of this heritage and set of ideas grown to a perfect mixture which did take hundreds of years.....

You are a fool.....

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

I don't know if Latin is even taught in school or that the history goes into detail of the Magna Carta outside of England
It should be

Featured Document: The Magna Carta

generally Latin is no longer taught in USA public schools When I was in
high school there was one latin class-----but it had only one student------so ----
the next year it was dropped. My dad did latin in high school-----but that was in
the 1920s The Magna carta is a big issue in the baby history books-----always
featuring a drawing of a whole bunch of people dressed like robin hood----talking
to the king who AGREES to sign the document-------the way I got it ----he was
"DELIGHTED"

 

[alpine]

Hahaha, if this is your history knowledge, then it is no surprise your ignorant comments are popping out from left and right.

Do you know what magna carta is? Briton is the first country on the face of this planet to be able draft anything close to a democracy. USA raise on top of this heritage and set of ideas grown to a perfect mixture which did take hundreds of years.....

You are a fool.....

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

I didn't know about the Magna carta? I was educated in US public schools---
we learn about the magna carta in the fourth grade------not that it was such a big
deal. The whole country INCLUDING lots of people was owned by the
"UPPER CLASS"-------- like Downton Abbey ------serfs had did not get any
rights------the situation was no different than it was in the times of Robin Hood
except the "Lords and Ladies" had a bit more control over their own lives.

No wonder.....

"Magna Carta exercised a strong influence both on the United States Constitution and on the constitutions of the various states."

Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution - Magna Carta: Muse and Mentor | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

 

[irosie91]

what is a sancak?

 

[skye]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

 

[alpine]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

Yes yes, you already post this on the first page. Dont need to keep repeating... We are not stupid...

 

[irosie91]

your rebuttal is idiotic. the magna carta is just as available to Syrians as it
was to Thomas Jefferson. The Magna Carta was no big deal and really did very
little to change anything

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

I didn't know about the Magna carta? I was educated in US public schools---
we learn about the magna carta in the fourth grade------not that it was such a big
deal. The whole country INCLUDING lots of people was owned by the
"UPPER CLASS"-------- like Downton Abbey ------serfs had did not get any
rights------the situation was no different than it was in the times of Robin Hood
except the "Lords and Ladies" had a bit more control over their own lives.

No wonder.....

"Magna Carta exercised a strong influence both on the United States Constitution and on the constitutions of the various states."

Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution - Magna Carta: Muse and Mentor | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

no it didn't ------------the idea is just a simplistic view of history. ------which is how
history is presented in the USA public schools along with pictures of happy pilgrims having thanksgiving dinner with happy Indians

 

[irosie91]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

be patient----one more year

 

[skye]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

Yes yes, you already post this on the first page. Dont need to keep repeating... We are not stupid...

I don't know about that...........................you not being stupid and stuff....

 

[alpine]

Having a KING to give up any power is a BIG thing for 13th century. The US constitution is based on Magna Carta.

As for the Syrians, I agree it was available to them. But a sunni ignorant majority is enough of a set back to put your society hundreds of years behind any of the progress...

regarding LITERACY------I have no doubt that a higher percentage of the population of Syrians ----now----are literate than was the percentage of americans in 1776. The US constitution is not BASED on the Magna Carta

You didnt even know about magna carta, now you are an expert ha
You thought US became what it is in one night

I didn't know about the Magna carta? I was educated in US public schools---
we learn about the magna carta in the fourth grade------not that it was such a big
deal. The whole country INCLUDING lots of people was owned by the
"UPPER CLASS"-------- like Downton Abbey ------serfs had did not get any
rights------the situation was no different than it was in the times of Robin Hood
except the "Lords and Ladies" had a bit more control over their own lives.

No wonder.....

"Magna Carta exercised a strong influence both on the United States Constitution and on the constitutions of the various states."

Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution - Magna Carta: Muse and Mentor | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

no it didn't ------------the idea is just a simplistic view of history. ------which is how
history is presented in the USA public schools along with pictures of happy pilgrims having thanksgiving dinner with happy Indians

Yes yes, people who wrote the constitution say they were influenced by the magna carta but what do they know.....

 

[skye]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

be patient----one more year

Only GOD knows how much damage he will inflict .....one year is a long time....

 

[alpine]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

Yes yes, you already post this on the first page. Dont need to keep repeating... We are not stupid...

I don't know about that...........................you not being stupid and stuff....

Well, we will become stupid if you keep repeating like a broken record...

 

[skye]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

Yes yes, you already post this on the first page. Dont need to keep repeating... We are not stupid...

I don't know about that...........................you not being stupid and stuff....

Well, we will become stupid if you keep repeating like a broken record...

Ok baboon. I heard you.

 

[alpine]

Assad is not the problem....Gadaffi was not the problem...Egypt is not the problem!

The only problem here is Hussein Obama...the Wahhabi in the White House !

Yes yes, you already post this on the first page. Dont need to keep repeating... We are not stupid...

I don't know about that...........................you not being stupid and stuff....

Well, we will become stupid if you keep repeating like a broken record...

Ok baboon. I heard you.

You dont need me to repeat it? awwwww

and i am not a baboon...