Barbara Boxer-ACLU pick for 2008

[archangel]

Barbara Boxer's profile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer

Side note: Her daughter Nicole Boxer married Hillary Rodham Clintons brother Tony Rodham in the Whitehouse 1994 divorced 2000

Barbara Boxer is also a member in high standing in the ACLU and is their draft pick for President 2008...sorry Hillary! Then again this was probably the case all along parading Hillary as a front runner then walla when the day of recconing comes..."Heres Barbara"

must see:

http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/icujp-news/2005-August/000745.html

note: I have no idea why this url doesn't work...so google barbara boxer aclu garden party sept 2005 then click on works fine there...a must see take the time to enter the google!

 

[Annie]

Barbara Boxer's profile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer

Side note: Her daughter Nicole Boxer married Hillary Rodham Clintons brother Tony Rodham in the Whitehouse 1994 divorced 2000

Barbara Boxer is also a member in high standing in the ACLU and is their draft pick for President 2008...sorry Hillary! Then again this was probably the case all along parading Hillary as a front runner then walla when the day of recconing comes..."Heres Barbara"

must see: http://.list.meer.net/pipermail/icujp-news/2005-August/000745.html

note: I have no idea why this url doesn't work...so google barbara boxer aclu garden party sept 2005 then click on works fine there...a must see take the time to enter the google!

So why post a link that doesn't work? I'll try your suggestion...

 

[archangel]

So why post a link that doesn't work? I'll try your suggestion...

when you hit the same url link in the google it works just fine...after I posted.. it shows a problem...dunno the google link will show it!

 

[Annie]

Barbara Boxer's profile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer

Side note: Her daughter Nicole Boxer married Hillary Rodham Clintons brother Tony Rodham in the Whitehouse 1994 divorced 2000

Barbara Boxer is also a member in high standing in the ACLU and is their draft pick for President 2008...sorry Hillary! Then again this was probably the case all along parading Hillary as a front runner then walla when the day of recconing comes..."Heres Barbara"

must see:

http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/icujp-news/2005-August/000745.html

note: I have no idea why this url doesn't work...so google barbara boxer aclu garden party sept 2005 then click on works fine there...a must see take the time to enter the google!

I ran through the hoops, what is the point?

The ACLU of Southern California's
42nd Annual Garden Party ~

Sunday
September 18, 2005
2pm - 5pm

You are invited to pay tribute to civil liberties champions

2nd Annual Stanley K. Sheinbaum Award
Senator Barbara Boxer, United States Senator

Lifetime Achievement Award
Miguel Contreras, Labor Leader (accepted by Maria Elena Durazo)

Community Leader of the Year Award
Maria Elena Durazo, Labor Leader

Activist of the Year Award
Alexandra Paul, Actor/Activist

Chapter Activist of the Year Award
Birdie Reed, Orange County ACLU Chapter President

Live and Silent Auction of Remarkable One-of-A-Kind Items

At the home of Stanley & Betty Sheinbaum
345 North Rockingham
Brentwood, CA 90049


Tickets $40
Includes 1 ticket for current members
OR 1 ticket and an annual membership for new members
(Contributions to the ACLU which support our vital lobbying efforts are not
tax deductible.)


Please contact Sarah Ellis to purchase tickets, volunteer
or for sponsorship and tribute journal information at:
_sarah at aclu-sc.org_ (mailto:sarah at aclu-sc.org)
phone: (213) 977-5212/fax: (213) 250-3919
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Maybe I missed something?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Barbara Boxer's profile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer

Side note: Her daughter Nicole Boxer married Hillary Rodham Clintons brother Tony Rodham in the Whitehouse 1994 divorced 2000

Barbara Boxer is also a member in high standing in the ACLU and is their draft pick for President 2008...sorry Hillary! Then again this was probably the case all along parading Hillary as a front runner then walla when the day of recconing comes..."Heres Barbara"

must see: http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/icujp-news/2005-August/000745.html

note: I have no idea why this url doesn't work...so google barbara boxer aclu garden party sept 2005 then click on works fine there...a must see take the time to enter the google!

http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/icujp-news/2005-August/000745.html

Try typing the link in correctly. You have a period after the double slashes and the http that shouldn't be there.

 

[archangel]

I ran through the hoops, what is the point?



Maybe I missed something?

she will be the front runner for 2008 supported by the aclu which she is a member...I suppose if you wrote it it would be more understandable...
:huh:

 

[archangel]

http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/icujp-news/2005-August/000745.html

Try typing the link in correctly. You have a period after the double slashes and the http that shouldn't be there.

my bad!

 

[The ClayTaurus]

my bad!

You're welcome.

 

[Annie]

she will be the front runner for 2008 supported by the aclu which she is a member...I suppose if you wrote it it would be more understandable...
:huh:

I couldn't write on that, I don't understand your point. Is it that the ACLU gave her an award?

 

[archangel]

I couldn't write on that, I don't understand your point. Is it that the ACLU gave her an award?

I'm not going to get into a argument...so I will just leave it at that...take from it what you want!

 

[Annie]

So who the hell is Stanley K. Sheinbaum?
http://www.digitalnpq.org/about/sheinbaum.html

Stanley K. Sheinbaum

Stanley K. Sheinbaum is the publisher of New Perspectives Quarterly. He was a Senior Fellow at the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, Chairman of the American Civil Liberties Foundation of Southern California, and Regent of the University of California from 1977-89. He helped found the People for the American Way, and in 1971, he organized the Pentagon Papers-Daniel Ellsberg Defense Team. He has also been active in the Middle East peace process. Between 1991 and 1993 he was President of the Los Angeles Police Commission.

Stanley K. Sheinbaum, 81, did his doctoral work in economics at Stanford University and taught there and at Michigan State University (1955-1960). While at Michigan State, he was the campus director of a 54-man technical assistance group under contract to the State Department in Vietnam. Discovering that the group comprised a CIA component and by exposing such publicly, he succeeded in keeping universities apart from such clandestine activities.

From 1960 to 1970 he was a Senior Fellow at the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara. From 1971 to 1973 Mr. Sheinbaum organized the defense in the Pentagon Papers trial. From 1973 to 1982 he was Chairman of the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Southern California. From 1977 to 1989 he was a Regent of the University of California. From 1982 to the present he has been a board member of the International Center for Peace in the Middle East in Tel Aviv. Similarly, he has been on the board of Americans for Peace Now since 1988. In 1988 he led a delegation of five American Jews who succeeded in getting Yasser Arafat to recognize Israel and to disavow terrorism. For the last ten years he has been the publisher of New Perspectives Quarterly. In 1989 he founded the west coast affiliate of the Human Rights Watch. From 1991 to 1993 he was President of the Los Angeles Board of Police Commissioners following upon the beating of Rodney King.

People for the American Way are whom? Arch is probably gut right on this, not a good guy and Boxer's award is indicative of what she is:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...e+for+the+American+Way&hl=en&client=firefox-a

People Against the American Way
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 13, 2003

You’ve got to admire the tenacity of leftists. The same people who were colossally wrong about the war on terror (in both Afghanistan and Iraq); who clamored for America to sheathe its sword when America itself was under attack; who defamed America and its supporters as enemies of freedom even after the wars that led to liberation -- these same people, now that history has thoroughly embarrassed them and refuted their claims, are … on the attack!

They have not taken a moment to reflect on their treacherous antics, which would have kept the Iraqi oppressors in power and anti-American terrorists on the loose; they have not reserved a second for regrets about blackening America’s image or weakening her citizens’ resolve in resisting the forces that would bring this nation down. But having attacked – in time of war -- their President as a “Nazi” and their country as “the real axis of evil,” the left is now complaining because others have called them to account.

From Greenwich Village to Hollywood the American left is crying victim -- “McCarthyism,” “persecution” -- because Americans are revolted by what they said and did. And of course the left is once again -- in the same hypocritical breath -- presenting itself as a defender of the American liberties it refused to defend. And of course the left is yet again “defending” them not against the fascist threat from Iran and other terrorist states still at large, but from America itself. “A chill wind is blowing in this nation,” is how actor and anti-war leftist Tim Robbins characterizes his triumphant country while complaining about his “persecution” and “silencing” on national TV.

Yet there is nothing new, even in this brazen reversal of the facts. As far as the left is concerned it is so familiar as to be, well, boring. Fifty years ago America was also engaged in a global war – at that time with the most oppressive empire the world had ever seen, and the left took an identical stance. American Communists who were organized and funded by Moscow created the Progressive Party to oppose America’s defense of freedom, and marched to undermine America’s defenses. They even formed the “Progressive Party” to attack America’s “Cold War agendas” and push for the United States to unilaterally disarm. And they did so for the entire duration of the conflict.

Yet when called to account they presented themselves as victims of a “witch-hunt,” and defenders of the Bill of Rights and other American freedoms. And they were successful. They gave the word “McCarthyism” its unending currency, ready for use any time they came under attack. Properly identified, of course, the era of the Fifties should be referred to as the era of the “Red Threat,” when hundreds of thousands of Americans sided with the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin and hundreds became actual spies for the Soviet Union. But thanks to the left’s hegemony in the media and the academy this treasonous epoch is today known as the era of the “Red Scare” instead.

Leading the leftist juggernaut in its current attack on America’s defenders is the largest and most influential hate group in America, misnamed “People for the American Way.” People for the American Way is a permanent campaign of fear and hate aimed principally at Christian conservatives but at every group that attempts to defend America against the assaults of the left.

People for the American Way conducts a permanent witch-hunt at “Rightwing Watch Online.”[1] No sooner was the war in Iraq successfully concluded than this site published a special “report” called “Talking Out of Turn: The Right’s Campaign Against Dissent.” A sister leftist site, TomPaine.com (funded by Bill Moyers among others) also posted the report. Echoes of its claims can be heard among leftwing Democrats in the chambers of the House.

Among the chapters of the report: “Demonizing Dissent,” “Protesters Are Communists,” “Protesters Hate America,” and “Protest Is Treason.” Needless to say, the conclusion of the complaint claims the “First Amendment As A Model” for the protesters. Of course, nothing in the report sustains the charges it makes in its chapter heads, just as nothing in the First Amendment guarantees a right to slander those who disagree, even when the slander is aimed at the political right.

People for the American Way begins its indictment with this piece of Alice-in-Wonderland logic (characteristic of the document as a whole): “While most people see President Bush's post-9/11 assertion—‘Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists’--as a call for the world community to join America in defeating terrorism, right-wing activists have taken a narrower view. To them, what the President is really saying is ‘Either you toe the administration’s line, or you’re in league with terrorists.’ They see Bush's policies toward Iraq as indistinguishable from America’s interests…. To them, President Bush is the state and, therefore, dissent is treason.”

Earth to People for the American Way: President Bush is the elected President and the war powers he used were given to him by a vote of the United States Congress, including the majorities of both political parties. It was, in fact, the second such majority vote calling for a “regime change” by force if necessary in the last four years. The other war resolution was submitted by President Clinton and passed by overwhelming majorities in both political parties. So yes opposition to the war on Iraq is opposition to the policy of the elected government of the United States in its entirety, and whose sovereign is the American people.

While this does not make dissent treason (more on this in a moment) it certainly does make opposition to America’s war in Iraq opposition to America’s war. Second, “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists” is a very narrow formulation by any standard. It does not mean you can be with the government of France or Iran and be with us at the same time. It means there is a war and a war has only two sides and everyone must choose which side they are on. BTW: What is this “world community” anyway, kemo sabe?

People for the American Way’s indictment continues: “From the beginning, the Right has sought to portray anti-war protesters as radicals. This does not gibe with the facts. A New York Times piece on dissenters emphasizes the diversity of the peace movement. While it is true that one group involved in the peace protests, International ANSWER, has socialist ties, most major anti-war organizations have mainstream connections to groups like the NAACP and the National Council of Churches. These mainstream peace coalitions have gone out of their way to distance themselves from more radical elements and to disavow their tactics.”

People for the American Way is of course itself a radical organization (although obviously not by its own standards). The New York Times story was conveniently written to serve the interests of People for the American way, which (as the Times reported) held a meeting in its offices of more “moderate” elements of the antiwar movement to discuss the counter-productive tactics of the antiwar movement to date.[2] Up to then (March 2003), all the large demonstrations (Washington, San Francisco etc.) had been held under the auspices of a self-proclaimed Communist Party[3] in the name of International ANSWER – an organization that has “socialist ties” -- as People for the American Way delicately puts it -- to the terrorist regime in North Korea. A second organizer of the antiwar demonstrations (not mentioned) was Not In Our Name – a group organized by leaders of the Revolutionary Communist Party. The meeting in the People for the American Way Offices created a new coalition organization, “United for Peace and Justice,” which held its first demonstration in New York in March 2003. The organizer and head of the new organization was Leslie Cagan, a pro-Castro Sixties radical who was still a member of the Communist Party USA after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Cagan called on protesters to “disrupt normal life” once the war started. So much for the “moderates.”

Now to declare a personal interest. As a former antiwar leftist, I have tried to sound the alarm over the internal threat to the security of this country presented by organizations like International ANSWER, Not In Our Name, United for Peace and Justice and other neo-communist groups.[4] I have done this through many articles documenting their activities published in www.frontpagemag.com and The War Room. People for the American Way is well aware of this and responds as follows: “David Horowitz of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture is perhaps the most rabid advocate of the view that dissent equals treason. Each weekday, Horowitz and his colleagues at FrontPage Magazine offer new articles on the evils of dissent, liberally sprinkled with such key phrases as “aid and comfort,” “clear and present danger”, “blame America first,” “hate America Left,” and “fifth column.” In fact, FrontPage has an entire “Fifth Column” section containing 380 articles to date.”

This is the typical Big Lie approach of the radical left. I have never equated dissent with treason nor given any indication I thought dissent as such was “evil.” Nor have any of the other conservative groups indicted in the People for the American Way hate sheet. Instead, I have asserted the right of critics to dissent from government policies both explicitly and by example – as when I published an article on the war[5] by Professor Todd Gitlin -- an antiwar dissenter who was even part of the Columbia teach-in at which the infamous “million Mogadishus” rant was given. I published Gitlin because despite his dissent on the war, he denounced the anti-Americanism of the antiwar protests, something that People for the American Way has failed to do, confining their idea of “distance” to creating an organization which is also radical in its agendas but careful in its “tactics” not to expose those agendas).

The one admirable aspect of the People for the American Way document is that it provides quotes from the conservatives it defames that disprove its own accusations (the true test of a radical evidently is that being so far in left field that one reads plain English with entirely different meanings from ordinary people):

“A January 21st piece entitled ‘The 'Peace' Movement Isn’t about Peace,’ demonstrates Horowitz’s standard modus operandi: link dissenters with Communists and dissent with treason. ‘When your country is attacked, when the enemy has targeted every American regardless of race, gender or age for death, there can be no “peace” movement. There can only be a movement that divides Americans and gives aid and comfort to our enemies….The so-called “peace movement” today is led by the same radicals who supported America’s totalitarian enemies during the Cold War. They marched in support of the Vietcong, the Sandinista Marxists and the Communist guerrillas in El Salvador.”

And so they did. The organizers and board members of People for the American Way among them.

 

[Annie]

a bit more after a tad of research:

and Soros contributes:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...e+for+the+American+Way&hl=en&client=firefox-a

News

Wednesday, August 24, 2005

PFAW’s Predictable Smear Campaign

“The fact that far left groups like NARAL and People for the American Way (PFAW) would smear Judge Roberts with outlandish inaccuracies to advance their political agenda, is hardly newsworthy. Ralph Neas and Company have been railing against the President's nominee before one was even nominated. The only group that should be truly concerned with PFAW’s report is the Sierra Club, given how much paper was wasted to print this dishonest and disingenuous report.”

-- Tracey Schmitt, Press Secretary

PFAW Attacked Roberts Selection Five Minutes Before President George W. Bush’s Official Announcement:

People For The American Way Issued A Press Release Denouncing The Nomination Of John Roberts, Five Minutes Before The President’s Official Announcement. (People For The American Way, “Bush Nominates John Roberts For Supreme Court,” Press Release, 7/19/05)

• “People For The American Way Is Extremely Disappointed That The President Did Not Choose A Consensus Nominee In The Mold Of Sandra Day O’Connor.” (People For The American Way, “Bush Nominates John Roberts For Supreme Court,” Press Release, 7/19/05)

• “John Roberts’ Record Raises Serious Concerns As Well As Questions About Where He Stands On Crucial Legal And Constitutional Issues * It Will Be Extremely Important For Senators And The American People To Get Answers To Those Questions.” (People For The American Way, “Bush Nominates John Roberts For Supreme Court,” Press Release, 7/19/05)

• “Replacing O’Connor With Someone Who Is Not Committed To Upholding Americans’ Rights, Liberties, And Legal Protections Would Be A Constitutional Catastrophe.” (People For The American Way, “Bush Nominates John Roberts For Supreme Court,” Press Release, 7/19/05)

PFAW’s Daily Assault On Roberts Continues:

“The Press Is Beginning To Uncover How Supreme Court Nominee John Roberts Began His Career: As One Of The Right-Wing Activists And Political Operatives Reagan Brought To Washington Who Set Out To Reverse A Generation Of Civil Rights Protections.” (People For The American Way Email, “Press Cuts Roberts’ Honeymoon Short,” 7/29/05)

• Ralph Neas: “It Is Clearer Than Ever That The Confirmation Of John Roberts Would Mean Replacing Sandra Day O’Connor With Someone Who Has Viewed Her As An Impediment To The Ultraconservative Legal Movement He Helped Lead As A Political Appointee During The Reagan And First Bush Administrations.” (People For The American Way, “Roberts Called Rehnquist Court ‘Not Very Conservative,’” Press Release, 8/7/05)

• Neas: “Without Question, [Roberts] Was A Charter Member Of The Policy Team That Attempted To Dismantle The Civil Rights Regime That Had Been Enforced By Democratic And Republican Administrations For Decades.” (Rick Klein and Charlie Savage, “Leading Liberal Groups Likely To Fight Roberts,” The Boston Globe, 8/18/05)

• Neas: Roberts Led “Efforts To Turn Back The Clock, Especially With Respect To Protections For Women, For People With Disabilities, Older Americans, Racial Minorities, Indeed The Rights Too, Of All Ordinary Americans Across The Country.” (C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal,” 8/23/05)

PFAW Routinely Teams Up With Liberal Groups Such As MoveOn And NARAL:

“On The Left, Not Long After Bush Was Elected, People For The American Way Banded Together With Other Prominent Progressive And Liberal Groups -- Including The Alliance For Justice, The Leadership Conference On Civil Rights, And The Abortion Rights Group NARAL -- To Form The Coalition For A Fair And Independent Judiciary.” (Maeve Reston, “Lobbyists Can’t Wait To Push Justice Favorites,” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 6/27/05)

“Third-Party Groups, Such As The Liberal Moveon.Org And People For The American Way Š Have Taken The Lead In Running Ads In Targeted States.” (“Partisans Study ‘06 Implications Of Senate Filibuster Battle,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 5/20/05)

• “[H]undreds Of MoveOn Members Joined Senator Byrd And Seven Other Leading Senators To Rally For Fair Judges In Washington DC. ... Senator Byrd Was Joined By ... Our Friends From ... People For The American Way.” (MoveOn.Org Email, “Save The Courts With A New TV Ad,” 3/17/05)

PFAW’s Message Echoes Other Out Of The Mainstream Groups’ Disingenuous Attacks:

NARAL Announcer: “Supreme Court Nominee John Roberts Filed Court Briefs Supporting Violent Fringe Groups And A Convicted Clinic Bomber.” (NARAL, Television Ad, 8/8/05)

The Non Partisan Group, Factcheck.Org On NARAL Ad: “The Ad Is False.” (FactCheck.Org Website, “NARAL Falsely Accuses Supreme Court Nominee Roberts,” www.factcheck.org, 8/9/05, Accessed 8/9/05)

• Factcheck.Org’s Brooks Jackson: “That’s Right. And We Don’t Characterize Things As False Very Often. More Often Ads Are Misleading Or Twisted Or Distorted Or Out Of Context, But This One Is Absolutely False.” (CNN’s “Live From ...” 8/11/05)

• ABC’s Jake Tapper: “Walter Dellinger, A Former Solicitor General For President Clinton And A Supporter Of Abortion Rights, Says The [NARAL] Ad Is Misleading.” (ABC’s “World News Tonight,” 8/10/05)

• The Tampa Tribune: “NARAL Pro-Choice America Š Was Forced To Pull A Vile Advertisement Recently. Even Supporters Of The Group Denounced Its Suggestion That Roberts Had Supported Bombing Abortion Clinics.” (Editorial, “Court Nominee Unfairly Smeared,” The Tampa Tribune, 8/18/05)

NARAL Sent Out Email Less Than Twenty Minutes After President Bush Made Supreme Court Announcement Attacking Judge John Roberts’ Nomination. “With Bush in the White House and Congress in the grip of anti-choice leadership -- a woman’s right to choose cannot afford to have John Roberts on the Supreme Court. The worst news, John Roberts has actually argued before the Supreme Court that Roe v. Wade should be overruled.” (NARAL Email, “Bush Picks Anti-Choice Activist For Supreme Court,” 7/19/05)

MoveOn Political Action: “Instead Of A Mainstream Jurist ... Bush Chose Another Right-Wing Crony.” (William Schneider, “De-Escalation,” The National Journal, 7/30/05)

• MoveOn.Org: “In Nominating John Roberts, The President Has Turned To A Right Wing Corporate Lawyer And Ideologue For The Nation’s Highest Court.” (MoveOn PAC, “MoveOn Opposes Right Wing Corporate Lawyer Roberts For Supreme Court,” Press Release, 7/19/05)

• Top Donors To MoveOn.Org Voter Fund Were Herbert And Marion Sandler ($2,505,014), Peter B. Lewis ($2,500,000), George Soros ($2,500,000) And Stephen Bing ($971,427). (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 3/18/05)

PFAW Is Out Of The Mainstream:

The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, And The Washington Post, All Describe People For The American Way As “Liberal.” (Hilary Roxe, “Critics Say Frist Connecting With Religious Groups For Political Ends,” The Associated Press, 4/23/05; David D. Kirkpatrick and Sheryl Gay Stolberg, “Frist Is Drawing Criticism From Some Church Leaders,” The New York Times, 4/22/05; Charlie Savage, “Ad Wars Mount As Republicans Rea dy Ban On Senate Filibusters,” The Boston Globe, 4/21/05; Michael A. Fletcher, “Anti-’Activist’ Activism,” The Washington Post, 4/15/05)

• “PFAW Founder Norman Lear, The Liberal Philanthropist And TV Producer Š”(George Rush and Joanna Malloy, “Jacko-And-Chimp Tale,” [New York] Daily News, 3/3/05)

• Lear Has Given $529,655 To Democrats And Democrat-Aligned Groups Since 1989. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 4/5/05

• Founder Of PFAW Norman Lear: School Prayer Is A “Joke.” “I grew up with prayer in schools. It was a joke. We also pledged allegiance to the flag. But when you are six or seven, you cannot do anything by rote without finding funny ways to change it. It grows less meaningful each time. Unless you’re living in an entirely different culture with somebody behind you banging a drum at you. But that’s not America. So prayer in school was a joke.” (Thomas M. Landy, “What’s Missing From This Picture? Television Producer Norman Lear; Interview,” Commonweal, 10/9/92)

• Billionaire Financier George Soros’ Open Society Institute Contributed At Least $450,000 To People For The American Way Since 1999. (Open Society Institute Website, www.soros.org, Accessed 4/5/05; Capital Research Center Website, www.capitalresearch.org, Accessed 4/5/05)

 

[archangel]

I had a gut feeling you would come through...I hate to write long analogies...more short,sweet and to the point...good thing people out there have the patience to write long... :usa:

 

[Annie]

I had a gut feeling you would come through...I hate to write long analogies...more short,sweet and to the point...good thing people out there have the patience to write long... :usa:

If I had to write all that it would take a day or so. Luckily I know how to search to back up my points. :usa:

 

[archangel]

If I had to write all that it would take a day or so. Luckily I know how to search to back up my points. :usa:

and now it should be apparent why I wrote the ACLU vs Christians thread...to stimulate research..I gave just enough info to stir the soul...however some souls got lost in the message!

 

[Annie]

and now it should be apparent why I wrote the ACLU vs Christians thread...to stimulate research..I gave just enough info to stir the soul...however some souls got lost in the message!

so glad I fell into your grand scheme of things. Great planning, Arch. You wow me with your foresight.

 

[manu1959]

so glad I fell into your grand scheme of things. Great planning, Arch. You wow me with your foresight.

so you were simply a puppet in proving that the backers of the aclu (jews mostly) are all opposed to celebrating Christ’s birthday with; a German pagan symbol, a mass consumer orgy, strands of lights causing mass power consumption requiring more drilling for oil, gluttony on a roman toga party scale....to what end.....to put an end to it thus bankrupting the very financial system the "jews" control? :spank3: .....not sure this has been thought all the way through

 

[archangel]

so you were simply a puppet in proving that the backers of the aclu (jews mostly) are all opposed to celebrating Christ’s birthday with; a German pagan symbol, a mass consumer orgy, strands of lights causing mass power consumption requiring more drilling for oil, gluttony on a roman toga party scale....to what end.....to put an end to it thus bankrupting the very financial system the "jews" control? :spank3: .....not sure this has been thought all the way through

Kathianne is far from a puppet...however I have a new name for you.."Ostrich"
your head is so far in the sand it would take massive amounts of energy to pull it out! and the thought process on this issue has just begun.."The truth is out there" :moon4:

 

[Annie]

so you were simply a puppet in proving that the backers of the aclu (jews mostly) are all opposed to celebrating Christ’s birthday with; a German pagan symbol, a mass consumer orgy, strands of lights causing mass power consumption requiring more drilling for oil, gluttony on a roman toga party scale....to what end.....to put an end to it thus bankrupting the very financial system the "jews" control? :spank3: .....not sure this has been thought all the way through

You thought me serious? I didn't think so, until Arch posted.

 

[manu1959]

Kathianne is far from a puppet...however I have a new name for you.."Ostrich"
your head is so far in the sand it would take massive amounts of energy to pull it out! and the thought process on this issue has just begun.."The truth is out there" :moon4:

so tell me then oh wise one....what is their plan?