Banning Abortion- A fool's errand

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's about what's right and what's moral.

No, it’s not.

It’s about the state not dictating what is ‘right’ or ‘moral.’

Individuals alone determine what's right and what's moral, not government, safeguarded by the right to privacy limiting government authority to interfere in private, personal matters.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This is a massive red herring

No, the red herring is trying to conflate two completely unrelated issues: personal beliefs and perceptions concerning abortion and government excess and overreach at the expense of individual liberty.

It’s perfectly appropriate and consistent to both oppose abortion while recognizing and defending a woman’s right to privacy and the limit that right places on government authority.

Those opposed to abortion need to seek out a solution consistent with the Constitution; more government in violation of citizens’ rights is not a ‘solution.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The legislature in TX passed the law as it is following the will of its constituents.

The legislature in New York passed the Safe Act as it is following the will of its constituents.

Yet conservatives have sought to have that law overturned as un-Constitutional contrary to the will of the people of New York.

So which is paramount – the will of the people or the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The legislature in New York passed the Safe Act as it is following the will of its constituents.

Yet conservatives have sought to have that law overturned as un-Constitutional contrary to the will of the people of New York.

So which is paramount – the will of the people or the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

OK. So you want to have one way conversations I see. That law remains in place. You are a parasite

 

[JoeB131]

Cant stop murder, rape or kidnapping.
Might as well legalize it

No, we can't stop it, but we can punish it.

Even when abortion was illegal, no one was ever charged with having one, and few people were convicted of performing them, unless they seriously maimed a woman.

Here's the problem... no one is ever going to get CONVICTED of doing an illegal abortion.

I tell you what, you ever put me on an abortion jury, I wouldn't care if you had film of the provider tossing the bloody fetus across the room for a three-pointer into the Medical Waste Container, I'd still vote to acquit. So will a lot of other people.

 

[Mr Natural]

It’s all about making the pro lifers feel better about living in a country that prohibits abortion.

They could give a shit less about the fetus or the woman.

 

[harmonica]

JoeB131 hahhahahahahh--MORE babble shit from you
..your analogy of drugs and alcohol is ridiculous = ANYONE can drink alcohol and take drugs.....not many people can perform an abortion ---DUH

 

[Aletheia4u]

Well if they don't want a living being that produces green house gases inside of them. That there is away to prevent that. and that is by getting their tubes cut or an hysterectomy.
And if they decide sometime in the future to start a family. All they have to do is get a vagina transplant or get a artificial womb and grow their own green house gases problem, that looks like a plant aquarium or a chicken incubator, so that they will not have to be embarrassed about the doctor delivery their child from a funky womb that smell like death. . .

One moment, please...

 

[JoeB131]

@JoeB131 hahhahahahahh--MORE babble shit from you
..your analogy of drugs and alcohol is ridiculous = ANYONE can drink alcohol and take drugs.....not many people can perform an abortion ---DUH

not many people can own a distillery or a brewery or a meth lab... So you kind of miss the point.

If you want to go there, let's look at Prohibition, and why it didn't work.

 

[Meister]

So the Supreme Court just overturned Roe v. Wade in the most cowardly way possible.

Of course, Roe was always based on some legal jiggery-pokery, in that it found a "right to privacy" that never really existed without addressing the issue of when life begins.

The reason why the court did this was because they knew the laws on the books in most states in 1973 were unworkable and had to go, because no one was following them. But like all failed ideas, this time will be different, the advocates say.

Okay, let's get real here.

For the anti-abortion crowd, what is your real solution? Are you going to put pregnant women under house arrest to make sure they don't get abortions? Or are you just going to overturn Roe v. Wade and pretend you accomplished something.

How about prostitution? Prostitution is illegal in 49 states. Yet it is believed that there are 1 million working prostitutes in the United States today, and you can find massage parlors, strip joints and escort services pretty easily.

Okay, how about alcohol? Remember prohibition? (Well, even I'm not *that* old.) Well guess what, that didn't stop people from drinking. People found all sorts of imaginative ways to get around that law, Al Capone was pretty much openly smuggling alcohol into the country or making it illegally and the only way the government actually got him was on income tax evasion.

How's that war on drugs working out for you? Well, not so well. According to estimates, 19.1 million Americans over the age of 12 have used drugs within the last 30 days. "Just Say No (not today)" We spend billions on it, lock up more people than any country in the world. Hey, how many drug users are you going to want to cut loose to make room for the abortion patients?


Now, taking all of these factors into account- Exactly what mechanism are you guys going to use to ban abortion? Because none of these other prohibitions seem to work terribly well, especially when law enforcement is already stretched pretty thin.

Personally, I feel this is, and always should have been a state issue. Just like it was prior to Roe vs Wade.

 

[JoeB131]

Personally, I feel this is, and always should have been a state issue. Just like it was prior to Roe vs Wade.

No, it shouldn't be a state issue.

The only people involved should be the woman and her doctor. Period. Full stop.

 

[Meister]

No, it shouldn't be a state issue.

The only people involved should be the woman and her doctor. Period. Full stop.

Thank you for your opinion, joe. I'll keep my own opinion

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for your opinion, joe. I'll keep my own opinion

Okay... Maybe you should read up on what abortion was like before Roe v. Wade....

Shady operators, badly enforced laws, women getting maimed.

The funny thing. The birth rate didn't drop in 1973. So no babies were actually saved by these laws.

 

[Meister]

Okay... Maybe you should read up on what abortion was like before Roe v. Wade....

Shady operators, badly enforced laws, women getting maimed.

The funny thing. The birth rate didn't drop in 1973. So no babies were actually saved by these laws.

Could have gone to Nevada where it was legal.

 

[Meister]

Okay... Maybe you should read up on what abortion was like before Roe v. Wade....

Shady operators, badly enforced laws, women getting maimed.

The funny thing. The birth rate didn't drop in 1973. So no babies were actually saved by these laws.

Today there would be several states open to the idea of murdering unborn babies. Not the same as the 60's

 

[Lesh]

Abortion was legal in several states back then but that doesn't do much for poor folks.

Of course for wealthier ones...yea a vacation was in order

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I tell you what, you ever put me on an abortion jury, I wouldn't care if you had film of the provider tossing the bloody fetus across the room for a three-pointer into the Medical Waste Container, I'd still vote to acquit. So will a lot of other people.

See that's the problem,
you have been forced to show your true colors on the matter but the vast majority of the pro-choice crowd [like the ones you claim feel the way you do] are hiding behind "the welfare of the mother" claims when all they really care about is what you describe above, being able to throw it in the garbage for convenience sake...
KUDOS to you for coming clean joe and shame on those who still pretend that for them it is anything else but what joe said it is

 

[Rogue AI]

How is this not in conspiracy theories forum? Abortion has not been banned by the Supreme Court.

 

[g5000]

None of them have ever given a moment's thought to the aftermath of an abortion ban.

I most certainly have. Stop making shit up.

This is a subject I have studied extensively. In fact, I have pointed out that prior to Roe v. Wade, there were about as many legal abortions back then as there are today. And that would be the case were Roe v. Wade overturned. It would have almost no impact on the number of legal abortions.

But as a matter of moral and constitutional principle, Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the decision to legalize or outlaw abortion (and to what degree) should be left to the individual states.

 

[g5000]

How about prostitution? Prostitution is illegal in 49 states. Yet it is believed that there are 1 million working prostitutes in the United States today, and you can find massage parlors, strip joints and escort services pretty easily.

Okay, how about alcohol? Remember prohibition? (Well, even I'm not *that* old.) Well guess what, that didn't stop people from drinking. People found all sorts of imaginative ways to get around that law, Al Capone was pretty much openly smuggling alcohol into the country or making it illegally and the only way the government actually got him was on income tax evasion.

How's that war on drugs working out for you? Well, not so well. According to estimates, 19.1 million Americans over the age of 12 have used drugs within the last 30 days. "Just Say No (not today)" We spend billions on it, lock up more people than any country in the world. Hey, how many drug users are you going to want to cut loose to make room for the abortion patients?

Horrible flawed logic.

Since I consider abortion to be murder, let's take another ban.

We outlaw murder and yet there are still murders. Should we allow murder to be a matter of personal choice on demand?