Bakers fined for not working homosexual "wedding" continue fighting for their freedoms

[bodecea]

So you are against PA laws?

Be more specific.

What are you actively doing to get them repealed in your state since you believe them wrong?

I do keep my legislators up to date and if they fail to hear then I become will become as active as possible to see that they will not be voted into office again. Concerning the courts here they have already proven they are liars and cheats and we documented that; not much more one can do than that.

And "god given constitutional rights"?

Yes the same rights that allow you the liberty to seek your own happiness as long as it is not treading on another persons freedoms and liberties.

Which god?

Jehovah, who is the same God that the founders of this great nation sought favor with when this county's Constitution was written to help form this nation.

Not everyone is required to believe in or follow your "jehovah" guy. You know that, right?

No one says that you have to but the fact is as a believer I do have that right and you do not have the right to infringe upon my rights.

And you cannot infringe upon my rights either. Are you not getting that part?

 

[dblack]

When you say.....bake this cake in violation of your religious beliefs....you are violating the 1st Amendment of the Constitution....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

Bake this cake in violation of your religious beliefs...or you will not be allowed to own a business...is a clear violation of the First Amendment...

Baking a cake for money is not an expression of your First Amendment rights.

But refusing to do so can be.

Personally, I don't think this is limited to the first amendment. It's a much deeper violation of the fundamental freedom of conscience, the freedom to decide who to serve and who to shun.

So, you don't like PA laws. What have you actively done to get them repealed in your state?

Lots of things. You always ask this. Why?

How successful have you been?

Again, why do you ask? What is the relevance of my personal political activities?

 

[bodecea]

There's nothing insane about it. It's common sense. Even Jesus knew that making a buck wasn't serving God and that was 2,000 years ago.

No, it's quite insane. Working for a living shouldn't mean giving up your rights.

Well, dummy, it does. You don't get to tell the Muslims they are going to hell while taking their money. It annoys the owners of the company.

If you want all your rights, stand on a soapbox and live in it.

???

Rights are not universal. You can jerk off to porn at home while naked but not in a shopping mall. Say whatever you like, on your own time not on that of the man who pays you. He makes the rules, not you.

Nope. I'm not owned, certainly not by my employer(s).

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

 

[bodecea]

Baking a cake for money is not an expression of your First Amendment rights.

But refusing to do so can be.

Personally, I don't think this is limited to the first amendment. It's a much deeper violation of the fundamental freedom of conscience, the freedom to decide who to serve and who to shun.

So, you don't like PA laws. What have you actively done to get them repealed in your state?

Lots of things. You always ask this. Why?

How successful have you been?

Again, why do you ask? What is the relevance of my personal political activities?

I will get there...how successful have you been?

 

[JumpingPete]

There's nothing insane about it. It's common sense. Even Jesus knew that making a buck wasn't serving God and that was 2,000 years ago.

No, it's quite insane. Working for a living shouldn't mean giving up your rights.

Well, dummy, it does. You don't get to tell the Muslims they are going to hell while taking their money. It annoys the owners of the company.

If you want all your rights, stand on a soapbox and live in it.

???

Rights are not universal. You can jerk off to porn at home while naked but not in a shopping mall. Say whatever you like, on your own time not on that of the man who pays you. He makes the rules, not you.

Nope. I'm not owned, certainly not by my employer(s).

Try preaching to your coworkers at lunch then? Say goodbye to your job, freedom boy. Your ass is owned.

 

[Silhouette]

^^ Passive refusal to participate based on faith is not the same as evangelizing where it is not wanted, or it is bothering others.

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

What if gay graphic designers are forced as a matter of law to print highway billboard signs that say "homosexuality is wrong" or "Homosexuality is a sin unto God", or other similar themes? You OK with that?

 

[RodISHI]

So you are against PA laws?

Be more specific.

What are you actively doing to get them repealed in your state since you believe them wrong?

I do keep my legislators up to date and if they fail to hear then I become will become as active as possible to see that they will not be voted into office again. Concerning the courts here they have already proven they are liars and cheats and we documented that; not much more one can do than that.

And "god given constitutional rights"?

Yes the same rights that allow you the liberty to seek your own happiness as long as it is not treading on another persons freedoms and liberties.

Which god?

Jehovah, who is the same God that the founders of this great nation sought favor with when this county's Constitution was written to help form this nation.

Not everyone is required to believe in or follow your "jehovah" guy. You know that, right?

No one says that you have to but the fact is as a believer I do have that right and you do not have the right to infringe upon my rights.

And you cannot infringe upon my rights either. Are you not getting that part?

Refusing to do something for you for your money would not be infringing on your rights.

 

[JumpingPete]

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

What if gay graphic designers are forced as a matter of law to print highway billboard signs that say "homosexuality is wrong" or "Homosexuality is a sin unto God", or other similar themes? You OK with that?

Fine. That's their job. What the content is, as long as it's legal, is none of their ******* business.

 

[RodISHI]

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

What if gay graphic designers are forced as a matter of law to print highway billboard signs that say "homosexuality is wrong" or "Homosexuality is a sin unto God", or other similar themes? You OK with that?

That has come up in some artwork jobs and according to this fascist as artist we should bend to their will.

 

[Silhouette]

^^ It is fascist, isn't it?

 

[Silhouette]

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

What if gay graphic designers are forced as a matter of law to print highway billboard signs that say "homosexuality is wrong" or "Homosexuality is a sin unto God", or other similar themes? You OK with that?

Fine. That's their job. What the content is, as long as it's legal, is none of their ******* business.

But in the real world where most of us live, you would find gay graphic designers flatly denying to do it....based on....personal beliefs and boundaries.

 

[JumpingPete]

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

What if gay graphic designers are forced as a matter of law to print highway billboard signs that say "homosexuality is wrong" or "Homosexuality is a sin unto God", or other similar themes? You OK with that?

That has come up in some artwork jobs and according to this fascist as artist we should bend to their will.

You work for money. If you want to work for religion go to divinity school.

 

[dblack]

Refusing to do something for you for your money would not be infringing on your rights.

I think the real problem here is the convoluted misconceptions that many people have regarding rights. So many people, in society and on the board here, don't really have a grasp of the concept.

 

[JumpingPete]

So what if you refuse to do something your employer tells you to do?

What if gay graphic designers are forced as a matter of law to print highway billboard signs that say "homosexuality is wrong" or "Homosexuality is a sin unto God", or other similar themes? You OK with that?

Fine. That's their job. What the content is, as long as it's legal, is none of their ******* business.

But in the real world where most of us live, you would find gay graphic designers flatly denying to do it.

If they do, fire their gay asses.

 

[dblack]

Try preaching to your coworkers at lunch then? Say goodbye to your job, freedom boy. Your ass is owned.

Nope. Employing someone isn't owning them. Neither is patronizing their business. It's simply a financial agreement. An employer pays me if I do what they ask. A customer does likewise. But I'm under no obligation to serve either against my will, other than via these fucked up laws.

 

[JumpingPete]

Refusing to do something for you for your money would not be infringing on your rights.

I think the real problem here is the convoluted misconceptions that many people have regarding rights. So many people, in society and on the board here, don't really have a grasp of the concept.

You have the right to burn a flag. Don't do it at work and expect to have a job the next day? Even in your off time you are likely out of a job like shit through a goose.

You have rights on paper and rights in the real world. They ain't the same thing.

 

[RodISHI]

Nope. Employing someone isn't owning them. Neither is patronizing their business. It's simply a financial agreement. And employer pays me if I do what they ask. A customer does likewise. But I'm under no obligation to server either against my will, other than via these fucked up laws.

You have a valid point here and this believing in ownership of employees by corporate thugs and dysfunctional leadership has brought us to the point we are at today in more ways than just this shitty cake issue.

 

[JumpingPete]

Try preaching to your coworkers at lunch then? Say goodbye to your job, freedom boy. Your ass is owned.

Nope. Employing someone isn't owning them. Neither is patronizing their business. It's simply a financial agreement. An employer pays me if I do what they ask. A customer does likewise. But I'm under no obligation to serve either against my will, other than via these fucked up laws.

You made a deal. If you don't obey that deal you are gone, gone, gone, put out of business like Sweet Cakes by Melissa. She broke the deal and is no more.

And the boss says I need you at your desk by six AM tomorrow? And you obey, of course. Welcome to your ass is owned. To be more free at work you have to be the boss, and he ain't nothing like free.

 

[dblack]

Try preaching to your coworkers at lunch then? Say goodbye to your job, freedom boy. Your ass is owned.

Nope. Employing someone isn't owning them. Neither is patronizing their business. It's simply a financial agreement. An employer pays me if I do what they ask. A customer does likewise. But I'm under no obligation to serve either against my will, other than via these fucked up laws.

You made a deal. If you don't obey that deal you are gone, gone, gone, put out of business like Sweet Cakes by Melissa. She broke the deal and is no more.

And the boss says I need you at your desk by six AM tomorrow? And you obey, of course. Welcome to your ass is owned.

I choose whether to obey or not. You don't get the difference between slavery and employment???

 

[bodecea]

So you are against PA laws?

Be more specific.

What are you actively doing to get them repealed in your state since you believe them wrong?

I do keep my legislators up to date and if they fail to hear then I become will become as active as possible to see that they will not be voted into office again. Concerning the courts here they have already proven they are liars and cheats and we documented that; not much more one can do than that.

And "god given constitutional rights"?

Yes the same rights that allow you the liberty to seek your own happiness as long as it is not treading on another persons freedoms and liberties.

Which god?

Jehovah, who is the same God that the founders of this great nation sought favor with when this county's Constitution was written to help form this nation.

Not everyone is required to believe in or follow your "jehovah" guy. You know that, right?

No one says that you have to but the fact is as a believer I do have that right and you do not have the right to infringe upon my rights.

And you cannot infringe upon my rights either. Are you not getting that part?

Refusing to do something for you for your money would not be infringing on your rights.

If you clearly refuse based on my race, my religion, my gender or any other listed category of that state's PA laws, you would be wrong.