Back pay for government-shut-down workers might not happen, Trump stated

[Seymour Flops]

BS reply

Why are you posting here, when you should be emailing Democratic Senators and telling them to fund the nation?

 

[Mac1958]

Agreed...

Trump is trying to play the hard guy... I am tough guy...

But what he is effectively doing is putting a bullet in the head of random hostages... Then saying fear me....

Give him a few days and he will be asking why the media is painting him as the bad guy... 'Why is my press coverage so bad?'
No ******* clue.

He really has to believe that other Americans really, literally are his enemy.

Just like the useful idiots here.

And this isn't just him. It's the enablers around him, like Stephen Miller.

 

[Lesh]

I'm guessing those most affected here in Arizona are Border Patrol personnel.

Looking at the law Trump signed in 2019, it appears to me it still applies.

Shown Here:​

Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019

This bill requires employees of the federal government or a District of Columbia public employer who are furloughed or required to work during a lapse in appropriations beginning on or after December 22, 2018, to be compensated for the period of the lapse. The employees must be compensated on the earliest date possible after the lapse ends, regardless of scheduled pay dates. Employees required to work during the lapse in appropriations may use leave.

Sounds like Trump has no leeway here.

 

[CowboyTed]

Blah blah blah... everything Trump does is "illegal" according to your side. The "laws" as they are today have helped get us into the cesspool we are in!

There is a lot of Judges that consider his actions illegal...

And please stop criticising Judges, they are reading the law... If Trump wants to do those things, change the law or try and get the Constitution amended.

 

[CrazyTrader55]

There is a lot of Judges that consider his actions illegal...

And please stop criticising Judges, they are reading the law... If Trump wants to do those things, change the law or try and get the Constitution amended.

Blah blah blah. Judges do not override the will of the people. "Change the law" is impossible and so is amending the constitution at this stage, which is why you are stuck with the electoral college - forever.

 

[CowboyTed]

He really has to believe that other Americans really, literally are his enemy.

Just like the useful idiots here.

And this isn't just him. It's the enablers around him, like Stephen Miller.

Yea... It his transactional approach to life... If you are not with him you have to be against him... We can see that with MAGA, you are either fully into it and agree with everything or you are the enemy... This is how cults work...
Agree with the leader and every thing he says or face retribution, demeaning and/or excommunication from the group. This means shunning from all activities with the group and possibly their members. MAGA is a way of life for a lot of these people, it is in there community, church, business interests... They could go broke going against the tribe...
Charlie Kirk knew that, he was threatened for having independent views on Isreal that didn't conform with some other MAGA members views.

Charlie Kirk show responds to leaked text messages

"What is the truth about the way Charlie felt about Israel? Well, it’s complicated," Andrew Kolvet of Turning Point USA said.

www.newsweek.com

This shows how they run discipline internally... Watch how they have been heavily rewriting history since his death.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/charlie-kirk-and-israel-the-record-his-critics-cant-rewrite/&ved=2ahUKEwj2lqWf1pSQAxUka0EAHUgBEEEQFnoECCgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1aEBZ7j59RLV4RENPZeIy6

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I agree there are enablers and they are probably the most dangerous but Stephen Miller is not an enabler...
He is an opportunist... Miller is the one who want a white only America and is using Trump to get his own wishes...
Miller isn't working for trump, Trump is working for Miller... Miller is the one who is the organ grinder and Trump is the dancing monkey.
Miller wouldn't win a a race to be a dog catcher... He is using Trump to defend his ideas and actions... Trump wouldn't have sent in ICE to farms topic up labours... Trump knows that farmers vote for him. This is a transactional relationship, they support him and he looks after them, stop supporting him and he will turn on you... That is Trump's game.
Miller is about purifying America. He doesn't want brown, black or asians..

Leaked emails reveal Trump aide Stephen Miller's white nationalist views

Exclusive: Miller’s messages with then Breitbart writer Katie McHugh attempted to steer the website’s coverage

www.theguardian.com

Even Mike Pence saw this when trying to give safe haven to US Friendlies in Afghanistan... He stopped that, these were the guys like interpreters who were fighting side by side with American Soliders..
He is not transactional like Trump, he has a vision, he wants something and what he wants I don't think a vast majority of Americans would agree too... Miller is smart and has justified his actions as necessary to achieving his overall vision (White only America)...
You just have to look at his attitude to European immigrants compared to other countries... Remember the Norwegians v Shithole countries.. Miller might have stuck hand up Trump's ass an told him to move his mouth...

Why does Trump accept Miller?
Same reason he likes Putin or any other dictator... Trump equates cruelty with strength... If you can be cruel and get away with it, you must be strong.. Trump can't see that Miller is the source of his power.

 

[Mac1958]

Why does Trump accept Miller?
Same reason he likes Putin or any other dictator... Trump equates cruelty with strength... If you can be cruel and get away with it, you must be strong.. Trump can't see that Miller is the source of his power.

Yep. Miller's rage, documented as far back as his high school days, is a perfect fit with Trump's pathological victimhood. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the flock's rage is a perfect match with Miller.

We (across the political spectrum, including former Trump staffers, generals and cabinet members) had a deep sense of foreboding about his second season. But I don't know if anyone expected the cruelty to increase like it has.

 

[my2¢]

Sounds like Trump has no leeway here.

Now that Trump has raised the issue, it adds another obstacle for a funding bill to be passed. Since the Democrats should want to avoid any loophole and a delay of going through the court to enforce the legislation Trump signed in 2019, they'll likely want that back pay included in any appropriation bill.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Now that Trump has raised the issue, it adds another obstacle for a funding bill to be passed. Since the Democrats should want to avoid any loophole and a delay of going through the court to enforce the legislation Trump signed in 2019, they'll likely want that back pay included in any appropriation bill.

To get what they'll "likely want," they need to win some more seats. That appears unlikely with Democrats supporting policies that mist voters find absurd and wrong. Then those Democrats face threatened primary challenges from people who support even more absurd policies.

But maybe i'm wrong. What policies and candidates do you see increasing the number of the democrats in congress?

 

[my2¢]

To get what they'll "likely want," they need to win some more seats. That appears unlikely with Democrats supporting policies that mist voters find absurd and wrong. Then those Democrats face threatened primary challenges from people who support even more absurd policies.

But maybe i'm wrong. What policies and candidates do you see increasing the number of the democrats in congress?

The issue at hand is back pay. What the Democrats want is all federal workers to receive the pay they're owed. They have legislation signed by Trump himself as means to help achieve that and appropriations of the funds would guarantee that Trump's hands are tied on the matter.

Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019
This bill requires employees of the federal government or a District of Columbia public employer who are furloughed or required to work during a lapse in appropriations beginning on or after December 22, 2018, to be compensated for the period of the lapse. The employees must be compensated on the earliest date possible after the lapse ends, regardless of scheduled pay dates. Employees required to work during the lapse in appropriations may use leave.

Now as far as future elections go, the Democrats have no chance based on their political positions. But bring down the economy, and it's the party in power that suffers regardless of the finger pointing by the partisans.

 

[80zephyr]

They shouldn't get back pay. They are eligible for unemployment. Why do federal workers get full pay when they are laid off when the rest of us don't?

BTW, I know of what I speak. My wife was a federal worker and she went thru a couple government shutdowns.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The issue at hand is back pay. What the Democrats want is all federal workers to receive the pay they're owed. They have legislation signed by Trump himself as means to help achieve that and appropriations of the funds would guarantee that Trump's hands are tied on the matter.

Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019
This bill requires employees of the federal government or a District of Columbia public employer who are furloughed or required to work during a lapse in appropriations beginning on or after December 22, 2018, to be compensated for the period of the lapse. The employees must be compensated on the earliest date possible after the lapse ends, regardless of scheduled pay dates. Employees required to work during the lapse in appropriations may use leave.

I hope you're not sincerely concerned that fedemps wont get their backpay? Trump is blustering. Just like his threat of mass layoffs.

Now as far as future elections go, the Democrats have no chance based on their political positions. But bring down the economy, and it's the party in power that suffers regardless of the finger pointing by the partisans.

Which is why Dems and their media will do everything they can to bring the economy down in the next three years.

 

[hadit]

This is Trump saying he will hurt innocent people if Democrats don't give him his way...

Democrats have to be clear, this is federal workers as hostages in a negotiation... HE is clearly saying that if he doesn't get his way he is going to hurt them.

I seen this in a movie, this is where the criminal blames the cops for getting the hostages hurt...

Interesting that the democrats handed TRUMP! the loaded gun in the first place.

 

[Mac-7]

White House memo says furloughed workers might not get back pay

Trump is using the threat of federal workforce cuts to force them to back the GOP’s clean continuing resolution. Furloughed federal workers may not be eligible for back pay after the government shutdown, according to a memo circulated by the White House, another escalation in its pressure campaign against Senate Democrats.

When asked about it at the Oval Office Tuesday, President Donald Trump said that while the administration has a keen interest in taking “care of our people, “there are some people that really don’t deserve to be taken care of, and we’ll take care of them in a different way.”

That is a scary statement because it suggests that if you (as a citizen) support the Democrats wanting to ensure that Medicaid and Medicare don't get cut (which is why the Democrats did not try to prevent a government shutdown), that you will not get paid what you are due (as a government worker).

Here is what our country has always represented for its citizens: ‘The livelihoods of the patriotic Americans serving their country in the federal government are not bargaining chips in a political game,’ the American Federation of Government Employees national president said.

The irony of this Trump statement is that he totally supported the opposite of this in 2019, when the government shut down that year:

Trump signs law guaranteeing back pay for federal workers​

President Trump on Wednesday signed a bill guaranteeing back-pay to federal workers furloughed during the partial government shutdown that began in December.

The White House announced that Trump has signed the bill in a brief statement Wednesday afternoon as the partial shutdown dragged into its 26th day.

He has done a total about-face from 2019, because in 2019, it helped him politically, but in 2025 it is hurting him. This shows that Trump is not a man that cares about you (as a citizen) but only cares about his own political wins. You are just a pawn in his game.

You like/enjoy being a pawn/puppet?

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I have been calling for no back pay and I hope trump goes through with it

 

[Mac-7]

No, Trump is used to being a dick...making dick moves as he laughs at their misfortune. Christ loves him the mostest.

If they dont work they dont deserve to be paid

 

[WorldWatcher]

If they dont work they dont deserve to be paid

They don't deserve to work either.

If the government is going to shut down, shut it down. Send 100% of federal employees home, no work, no pay. That includes the military.

(And I've been saying the same thing since the 90's, so this is not party dependent.)

WW

 

[hadit]

They don't deserve to work either.

If the government is going to shut down, shut it down. Send 100% of federal employees home, no work, no pay. That includes the military.

(And I've been saying the same thing since the 90's, so this is not party dependent.)

WW

Send Congress home unpaid as well. All of a sudden, shutdowns disappear.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Send Congress home unpaid as well. All of a sudden, shutdowns disappear.

#1 Congress persons (not their staff) are required to vote on the budget/CR.

#2 Congress pay can't be impacted per the Constitution.

NOTE: Nor can the Presidents.

WW

 

[hadit]

#1 Congress persons (not their staff) are required to vote on the budget/CR.

#2 Congress pay can't be impacted per the Constitution.

NOTE: Nor can the Presidents.

WW

One can wish, no?

 

[Mac-7]

They don't deserve to work either.

If the government is going to shut down, shut it down. Send 100% of federal employees home, no work, no pay. That includes the military.

(And I've been saying the same thing since the 90's, so this is not party dependent.)

WW

Thats too radical to take seriously

The shutdown enables a much needed reduction in force within the bloated federal government and we should tske advantage of it

But we dont want to throw the baby out with the bathwater