Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[Jarhead]

I think you're wrong about that. I don't know about Santorum. But if Bachmann says that wasn't on the copy of the pledge she signed, I have no reason to disbelieve her. And I am not (yet) really a Bachmann fan as I haven't picked anybody to support yet. I wonder why some are so eager to believe they are racist? I can truthfully say I have never heard even close to a racist comment from either.

There's no common sense there Fox, they're delusional in their irrational hatred for the woman, and they've been directed to attack by their superiors, so they're on auto-pilot. Obviously they lack the ability to reason and think for themselves or they would see how ridiculously foolish and partisan they look by persisting in this.

I have the utmost respect for Jillian and for many other of our USMB friends who tilt left of center. And I can respect that they support their ideological beliefs as strongly as I support my own.

But I do think you're right that it sometimes goes on autopilot when people that I believe to be basically honest people of integrity say such outrageously hateful things about a person or organixzation when it is obvious they can't support those things with any shred of evidence. It's like it is something in the water they drink or something that makes it impossible to allow anybody in a position of power any thought or ideal that doesn't conform with their own. Not only can't they allow it, but they seem compelled to destroy such person as much as they legally can.

And I don't understand where that comes from at all.

Fear.

Sure...they will say "I am not afraid"...

But it comes from fear. When you fear something you do all you can to discredit it.

Those that fear roller coasters? They say "I dont see what the thrill is"

Those that fear technology say "Why spend the money. I get along without it fine"

Those that fear Obama's policies? Call him a marxist and an illegal immigrant.

Those that fear Backmann? Call her a kook, a nutbar and a racist.

 

[Seawytch]

You know I really pray Palin runs now. She will split the mamma grizzley vote with Bachmann and then a STRONG economic candidate like Cain, Romney or Perry will emerge from it. I fear Bachmann representing the GOP. I couldn't vote for her (or Obama for that matter). I don't think I could vote for the lesser of two evils on that one either!

How are any of those you mentioned " strong economic candidates"?

Cain has proven to be a fiscally responsible leader.
Perry has done an outstanding job in Texas as it pertains to the economy
Romney......I dont pot him in the same class.

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

 

[Jarhead]

How are any of those you mentioned " strong economic candidates"?

Cain has proven to be a fiscally responsible leader.
Perry has done an outstanding job in Texas as it pertains to the economy
Romney......I dont pot him in the same class.

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

Perry balanced the budget and lowered unemployment.
Cain ran a company that generated a profit and employed hundreds.

Adding your opinion to these facts does not change the facts.

It just speaks volumes of your partisanship.

 

[rightwinger]

There's no common sense there Fox, they're delusional in their irrational hatred for the woman, and they've been directed to attack by their superiors, so they're on auto-pilot. Obviously they lack the ability to reason and think for themselves or they would see how ridiculously foolish and partisan they look by persisting in this.

I have the utmost respect for Jillian and for many other of our USMB friends who tilt left of center. And I can respect that they support their ideological beliefs as strongly as I support my own.

But I do think you're right that it sometimes goes on autopilot when people that I believe to be basically honest people of integrity say such outrageously hateful things about a person or organixzation when it is obvious they can't support those things with any shred of evidence. It's like it is something in the water they drink or something that makes it impossible to allow anybody in a position of power any thought or ideal that doesn't conform with their own. Not only can't they allow it, but they seem compelled to destroy such person as much as they legally can.

And I don't understand where that comes from at all.

Fear.

Sure...they will say "I am not afraid"...

But it comes from fear. When you fear something you do all you can to discredit it.

Those that fear roller coasters? They say "I dont see what the thrill is"

Those that fear technology say "Why spend the money. I get along without it fine"

Those that fear Obama's policies? Call him a marxist and an illegal immigrant.

Those that fear Backmann? Call her a kook, a nutbar and a racist.

Do you honestly think that anyone on the left "fears" Bachmann or Palin for that matter?

It is the right that should fear someone like that representing their views

 

[Seawytch]

Cain has proven to be a fiscally responsible leader.
Perry has done an outstanding job in Texas as it pertains to the economy
Romney......I dont pot him in the same class.

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

Perry balanced the budget and lowered unemployment.
Cain ran a company that generated a profit and employed hundreds.

Adding your opinion to these facts does not change the facts.

It just speaks volumes of your partisanship.

It isn't my opinion that he used tricks and the stimulus money he panned... Those are FACTS.

And making money selling crap doesn't thrill.

 

[Si modo]

You threw so many straw men and non sequiturs into your response on this one that you would have lost a formal debate on this one in your very first sentence. Individual or personal prejudices about ANYTHING (Italians, women, Republicans, Michelle Bachmann, accordian players etc. etc. etc.) are constitutionally protected in this country and yes, it will remain a fact of life. And it has zero to do with anything in Point One.

We have broken down all laws and almost all barriers to full equality and opportunities for all groups in this country and the non racists are now focusing on encouraging all people to take advantage of that. One form of racist continues to keep people marginalized and victimized because it is politically and economically advantageous to do so.



There is definitely a move to stop marginalizing and victimizing certain groups as study after study has now shown well intentioned but poorly thought out programs to 'help' certain groups have had more negative than positive effect. I refer you to Thomas Sowell's Black Rednecks andWhite Liberals as an excellent starting point to fully undestand that.



More straw men and non sequiturs and not one shred of evidence for your point of view. While I see racists who would diminish somebody because of his/her race to be seriously wrong and sometimes hateful--there are more than one variety of these--and while I see white supremacy groups as usually disgusting, none of that is an endorsement of slavery. I have gone toe to toe with both racists and white supremacists--usually successfully I might add--but I have never known one of them who condoned slavery.



Your opinion which is again unsupported. Which is not to diminish how deplorable and damaging slavery was or racial discrimination has been. But there is no more slavery or Jim Crow laws and therefore nobody has responsibility for those.

Your comment is so vague and could be accused of so much prejudice and bigotry on your part that it speaks for itself.

and there ya go.

Go what? She starts spouting nonsense about non-sequiturs, strawmen and 'debating points' which was as..if not more dismissive then my "ridiculous' comment and what? I'm suppose to take that seriously? Then goes on to dismiss that white power groups "endorse" slavery? They did. They do. Not to long ago there was a book out about how slavery "helped" Africa. Rubbish.

Then she points me to a book. Gosh.

Dismissive and half assed attempts to address (which she really doesn't) some very salient points is really no way to get anything meaningful communicated. "Study after study" doesn't cut it.

So I found it funny.

Well, I take logic seriously because, well, it's logical.

 

[Si modo]

Not only that, but I believe the slavery comment was quickly removed from the pledge due to so many people reading things into it that were not intended? And Michelle Bachmann, I think last night, said that wasn't in the pledge she signed.

Of course we can't expect ThinkProgress to demonstrate integrity about any of that. They have their own agenda.

why would you think they weren't intended? or that anything was "read into" them?
you know, other than wishful thinking...

it was removed b/c bachmann and santorum were raked over the coals, and rightfully so, for the racists they are.

Have you no shame for tossing around accusations of racist just to express your distaste for someone?

Do you have such a low regard for the iussue of racism that it is ok to apply it for your own personal gain even though it compromises the integrtiy and the importance of true racism?

I am surprised at you Jillian. I did not realize you were that type of person.

You're racist!

 

[Foxfyre]

There's no common sense there Fox, they're delusional in their irrational hatred for the woman, and they've been directed to attack by their superiors, so they're on auto-pilot. Obviously they lack the ability to reason and think for themselves or they would see how ridiculously foolish and partisan they look by persisting in this.

I have the utmost respect for Jillian and for many other of our USMB friends who tilt left of center. And I can respect that they support their ideological beliefs as strongly as I support my own.

But I do think you're right that it sometimes goes on autopilot when people that I believe to be basically honest people of integrity say such outrageously hateful things about a person or organixzation when it is obvious they can't support those things with any shred of evidence. It's like it is something in the water they drink or something that makes it impossible to allow anybody in a position of power any thought or ideal that doesn't conform with their own. Not only can't they allow it, but they seem compelled to destroy such person as much as they legally can.

And I don't understand where that comes from at all.

Fear.

Sure...they will say "I am not afraid"...

But it comes from fear. When you fear something you do all you can to discredit it.

Those that fear roller coasters? They say "I dont see what the thrill is"

Those that fear technology say "Why spend the money. I get along without it fine"

Those that fear Obama's policies? Call him a marxist and an illegal immigrant.

Those that fear Backmann? Call her a kook, a nutbar and a racist.

I fear roller coasters because it is as close to experiencing what I think imminent death feels like as anything I have experienced. So however uncommon the sensation I get is, the fear is rational. (And I don't dis roller coasters and very much enjoy watching other people enjoy them.)

I fear Obama because he is in a position of power that enables him to push certain policies, and I have lived long enough to see how destructive certain policies have been and/or are. I don't have to attempt to destroy him or say disrespectful things about him to oppose those policies. I don't accuse him of being evil because he promotes policies that I fear and oppose. I can describe him as a Marxist at heart because of the things he has written and said, because of the policies he has promoted, because of what he has supported in what we know of his life, and because of some of the people he surrounds himself with. It is not intended to disrespect him as most American Marxists really believe they are well intended. It is intended to describe the perspective I believe he is coming from and why I oppose him. It is not an irrational fear.

Can't relate to the technology as I'm very pro technology though my perspective will probably differ from some in who should be spending whose money on technology and what restrictions are appropriate controlling it.

Those who fear Bachmann? You have to put it into perspective to know whether it is a rational fear or not. She is pro family. Pro life. As many, probably most, of our Presidents have been. And not one has pushed for legislation to outlaw abortion. Would she push for legislation to outlaw abortion? I see no indication that she would. Would she sign legislation that outlaws abortion? I don't know since she has never said. Would she sign legislation that supported the basic intent of Roe v Wade? Yep. I think she has made it clear that she would along with the restrictions that Roe v Wade intended to allow.

And as for the charges that she is racist. That is way over the top as I see it. That is nothing more than hate speech directed at a person that does not deserve that accusation.

Do they fear strong, competent, opinionated, conservative women to the extent it justifies saying ANYTHING about them to take them down? That's a good question, no?

 

[Baron]

To ban pornography is an excellent idea, it is necessary to stop the moral degradation of people and to increase the low birth rates.

 

[Seawytch]

To ban pornography is an excellent idea, it is necessary to stop the moral degradation of people and to increase the low birth rates.

Just stop watching it if it "bothers" you so much.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Here's a direct link to the PDF of the pledge:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/The-Family-Leader-Presidential-Pledge.pdf

I just read the entire thing.

Interesting stuff.

PEOPLE, do not give this smear site, thinkprogress ANY TRAFFIC.
Boycott them like they have the plague.

I just visited 5X Steph.....it's only a link to the document.

I visited 10 times, and cost them money, because they do not get any ad revenue off of my visits.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How are any of those you mentioned " strong economic candidates"?

Cain has proven to be a fiscally responsible leader.
Perry has done an outstanding job in Texas as it pertains to the economy
Romney......I dont pot him in the same class.

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

The stimulus was supposed to help states balance the budgets, just as Krugman. Everyone uses accounting tricks, why are you only whinging about Perry?

As for Godfather's, it has consistently won awards for the best chain pizza.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I have the utmost respect for Jillian and for many other of our USMB friends who tilt left of center. And I can respect that they support their ideological beliefs as strongly as I support my own.

But I do think you're right that it sometimes goes on autopilot when people that I believe to be basically honest people of integrity say such outrageously hateful things about a person or organixzation when it is obvious they can't support those things with any shred of evidence. It's like it is something in the water they drink or something that makes it impossible to allow anybody in a position of power any thought or ideal that doesn't conform with their own. Not only can't they allow it, but they seem compelled to destroy such person as much as they legally can.

And I don't understand where that comes from at all.

Fear.

Sure...they will say "I am not afraid"...

But it comes from fear. When you fear something you do all you can to discredit it.

Those that fear roller coasters? They say "I dont see what the thrill is"

Those that fear technology say "Why spend the money. I get along without it fine"

Those that fear Obama's policies? Call him a marxist and an illegal immigrant.

Those that fear Backmann? Call her a kook, a nutbar and a racist.

Do you honestly think that anyone on the left "fears" Bachmann or Palin for that matter?

It is the right that should fear someone like that representing their views

They act like they do.

 

[Seawytch]

Cain has proven to be a fiscally responsible leader.
Perry has done an outstanding job in Texas as it pertains to the economy
Romney......I dont pot him in the same class.

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

The stimulus was supposed to help states balance the budgets, just as Krugman. Everyone uses accounting tricks, why are you only whinging about Perry?

As for Godfather's, it has consistently won awards for the best chain pizza.

Well thanks, Captain Obvious...I guess you missed the part where Perry slammed the stimulus at every turn. Big hypocrite still took the loot he slammed. Perry used dirty accounting tricks to "balance" his budget on top of taking the $ he panned. Oh, and running a business selling crappy pizza doesn't mean you can run a country.

 

[Spoonman]

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

The stimulus was supposed to help states balance the budgets, just as Krugman. Everyone uses accounting tricks, why are you only whinging about Perry?

As for Godfather's, it has consistently won awards for the best chain pizza.

Well thanks, Captain Obvious...I guess you missed the part where Perry slammed the stimulus at every turn. Big hypocrite still took the loot he slammed. Perry used dirty accounting tricks to "balance" his budget on top of taking the $ he panned. Oh, and running a business selling crappy pizza doesn't mean you can run a country.

neither does being a community organizer

 

[Sallow]

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

The stimulus was supposed to help states balance the budgets, just as Krugman. Everyone uses accounting tricks, why are you only whinging about Perry?

As for Godfather's, it has consistently won awards for the best chain pizza.

Well thanks, Captain Obvious...I guess you missed the part where Perry slammed the stimulus at every turn. Big hypocrite still took the loot he slammed. Perry used dirty accounting tricks to "balance" his budget on top of taking the $ he panned. Oh, and running a business selling crappy pizza doesn't mean you can run a country.

And he's actually said, Secession was an option.

Great.

 

[Sallow]

Cain has proven to be a fiscally responsible leader.
Perry has done an outstanding job in Texas as it pertains to the economy
Romney......I dont pot him in the same class.

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

Perry balanced the budget and lowered unemployment.Cain ran a company that generated a profit and employed hundreds.

Adding your opinion to these facts does not change the facts.

It just speaks volumes of your partisanship.

What bullshit.

Perry used stimulus money to plug budget holes and accounting tricks. He's also sold state roads to private interests. Great idea..

That..and the energy industry is responsible for the low unemployment. Which is also heavily subsidized the government.

Partisanship my eye..that's the reality.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Perry balanced his budget with stimulus money and accounting tricks... Cain sold crappy pizza. This is who should run the country?

The stimulus was supposed to help states balance the budgets, just as Krugman. Everyone uses accounting tricks, why are you only whinging about Perry?

As for Godfather's, it has consistently won awards for the best chain pizza.

Well thanks, Captain Obvious...I guess you missed the part where Perry slammed the stimulus at every turn. Big hypocrite still took the loot he slammed. Perry used dirty accounting tricks to "balance" his budget on top of taking the $ he panned. Oh, and running a business selling crappy pizza doesn't mean you can run a country.

No.

Did you miss the part where he actually rejected parts of it?

If the government is handing out checks it makes sense to take them. Perry slammed spending long before the stimulus, and long after it. Even Politifact doesn't think he is a hypocrite for doing so.

PolitiFact Texas | President Obama says Gov. Perry used stimulus fund to help balance budget, then started 'blaming' federal lawmakers who voted for legislation

 

[Seawytch]

And why are we even having a conversation about Perry who isn't running and Cain who might as well not be?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Fact is, there is more violence against women in the present day than there was in 1918, before women could vote.

In your mind, my saying that means that I think women were better off when they couldn't vote.

Are you crazy?

There was massive violence against women.

It just wasn't reported.

Or even really recorded...with any sort of precision.

Assume it's true or at least assume that I believe it to be true (and I do). So, that's what I obviously mean, right? That women should no longer have the vote.

This is completely confusing.

it becomes a little less confusing if you accept that for si modo a fact is what she believes to be true.

just like bachmann

Quick question........Bachmann believes in women not being allowed to vote.

So, why is she running for President?