Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[Quantum Windbag]

Except he's not socially Liberal. Just because he supports gun control laws and is not going to get rid of Abortion despite being pro-life does not make him socially Liberal either. One issue does not make someone a Liberal or Conservative. Otherwise just about every other politician would be both a Liberal and Conservative.

That is exactly what makes him socially liberal. Socially conservative people want to force people to agree with their point of view, and legislate it into existence.

Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors.

Social conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so stuck in a rut that you cannot admit the truth that is right in front of you.

Well, if we're going to Wiki Academy here, I'd like to offer some food for thought.

1. I believe that a two parent household is better than a single parent one (most of the time).

2. I believe that people should realize their full potential and be contributing members of society.

3. I cringe when people say they don't vote or try to eschew jury duty.

4. I think Pride Parades are more about sex and costumes and less about political jurisprudence. I ******* hate them.


I also vote Democrat, support a right to a good public education, think that teachers are underpaid, would like to see the playing field evened a bit for the poor, and feel that same sex marriage is not detrimental to society. I recycle, I donate to charity, I'm a member of the Junior League, and was a card-carrying member of SEIU.

Social conservative? Depends on which way you're peering at the bell jar.

Do you believe the government should regulate any of that?

Involving the government is the difference between a liberal and a conservative.

 

[Modbert]

is Giuliani a social liberal?

He's probably on par with Obama.

Both support Abortion, Death Penalty, Patriot Act, Wars overseas, Gun Control, and both are against Gay Marriage.

He's socially moderate.

His positions on the Death Penalty, Patriot Act, War in Iraq, Gay Marriage, War on Drugs, Waterboarding, Universal Health Care prevent him from being a Social Liberal.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No it hasn't. I used the term socially liberal from the beginning. You are the one trying to move the goal, I am just keeping them in the same place.

Not the exact term you used looking back.

Where the **** do you people get this bullshit from?

Take a look at the states the Blue dogs represent sometime, then compare them to Republicans from liberal states. You will see that the truth is that Republicans are just as broad spectrum as Democrats. There are far right, socially conservative Democrats, and

Still waiting for the names of those far left Republicans.

Want to try again?

far left, socially liberal Republicans.

I gave a name of a far left Republican and your response was that the Republicans want Snowe out of the party. Since then you have been accusing me of moving the goalpost, even though the post you just quoted shows that I have been using the term socially liberal from the beginning.

You are making a fool of yourself.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

is Giuliani a social liberal?

Yes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He is, like most people, flexible about some things. It doesn't change the fact that he opposes government interference in most issues that social conservatives support.

What else? You say most issues but are only naming Abortion.

Look it up yourself.

 

[Modbert]

I gave a name of a far left Republican and your response was that the Republicans want Snowe out of the party. Since then you have been accusing me of moving the goalpost, even though the post you just quoted shows that I have been using the term socially liberal from the beginning.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Snowe isn't far left. I said she was a Liberal Republican at best.

 

[Modbert]

Look it up yourself.

Except, you're the one making the claim he's a Social Liberal. Yet are only naming his position on Abortion despite saying he opposes government interference in "most issues".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I gave a name of a far left Republican and your response was that the Republicans want Snowe out of the party. Since then you have been accusing me of moving the goalpost, even though the post you just quoted shows that I have been using the term socially liberal from the beginning.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Snowe isn't far left. I said she was a Liberal Republican at best.

She is far left.

Your problem is that you have no idea where the center is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Look it up yourself.

Except, you're the one making the claim he's a Social Liberal. Yet are only naming his position on Abortion despite saying he opposes government interference in "most issues".

And I defined my terms. You are trying to insist that your definition is applicable, so feel free to actually spell it out in a way that someone outside your head can actually see what it is. You seem to want to lump social and legal issues together, and define it like that, and then claim that everyone who doesn't agree with you is something else.

 

[CitizenPained]

That is exactly what makes him socially liberal. Socially conservative people want to force people to agree with their point of view, and legislate it into existence.

Social conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so stuck in a rut that you cannot admit the truth that is right in front of you.

Well, if we're going to Wiki Academy here, I'd like to offer some food for thought.

1. I believe that a two parent household is better than a single parent one (most of the time).

2. I believe that people should realize their full potential and be contributing members of society.

3. I cringe when people say they don't vote or try to eschew jury duty.

4. I think Pride Parades are more about sex and costumes and less about political jurisprudence. I ******* hate them.


I also vote Democrat, support a right to a good public education, think that teachers are underpaid, would like to see the playing field evened a bit for the poor, and feel that same sex marriage is not detrimental to society. I recycle, I donate to charity, I'm a member of the Junior League, and was a card-carrying member of SEIU.

Social conservative? Depends on which way you're peering at the bell jar.

Do you believe the government should regulate any of that?

Involving the government is the difference between a liberal and a conservative.

Uh, I just said public education, teacher pay, gay marriage...?

What you said is not true. The government has an interest in promoting certain social values.

 

[Trajan]

is Giuliani a social liberal?

He's probably on par with Obama.

Both support Abortion, Death Penalty, Patriot Act, Wars overseas, Gun Control, and both are against Gay Marriage.

He's socially moderate.

His positions on the Death Penalty, Patriot Act, War in Iraq, Gay Marriage, War on Drugs, Waterboarding, Universal Health Care prevent him from being a Social Liberal.

you do know he signed a domestic partnership bill for NYC in 1997, right? but thats not far enough? I see.


what is a social liberal, please define that for me.....thx.



and, you do realize that the litany you posted above was pretty much the dem. party post 1968, right?

 

[CitizenPained]

Your problem is that you have no idea where the center is.

Because everything fell apart.

//badda-bing

 

[Trajan]

Oh and a question Modbert- what do you classify yourself as?

 

[Modbert]

She is far left.

Your problem is that you have no idea where the center is.

That's your problem, not mine.

She supports the Death Penalty and is a huge proponent of The War on Drugs. She also supports the U.S embargo on Cuba. She supported the War on Iraq invasion.

She voted for the Bush Tax Cut extensions in 2011. She backed McCain in 2008.

Olympia Snowe on the Issues

She opposed the Health Care Reform bill. She's voted yes several times on proposals to constitutionally ban burning the flag. She voted in 1996 to ban Gay Marriage. In October of 2001 she voted to loosen restrictions on cell phone wiretapping.

She voted no for background checks at gun shows.

She voted with Republican Party 62.9% of the time including 326 votes. (Sep 2007) but that somehow makes her far left? You're out of your tree.

 

[Modbert]

and, you do realize that the litany you posted above was pretty much the dem. party post 1968, right?

The Democratic Party for the most part is not Liberal today.

 

[Trajan]

and, you do realize that the litany you posted above was pretty much the dem. party post 1968, right?

The Democratic Party for the most part is not Liberal today.

ah so we are going to now get into definitions of liberal in the 50s/60's and now?

what I THINK you really mean is after 68 the dem. party started dumping many of their platforms.

 

[Sallow]

She is far left.

Your problem is that you have no idea where the center is.

That's your problem, not mine.

She supports the Death Penalty and is a huge proponent of The War on Drugs. She also supports the U.S embargo on Cuba. She supported the War on Iraq invasion.

She voted for the Bush Tax Cut extensions in 2011. She backed McCain in 2008.

Olympia Snowe on the Issues

She opposed the Health Care Reform bill. She's voted yes several times on proposals to constitutionally ban burning the flag. She voted in 1996 to ban Gay Marriage. In October of 2001 she voted to loosen restrictions on cell phone wiretapping.

She voted no for background checks at gun shows.

She voted with Republican Party 62.9% of the time including 326 votes. (Sep 2007) but that somehow makes her far left? You're out of your tree.

She's "far left" for conservatives because they are now so far right that the Birchers are now considered "moderates" in their camp.

 

[CitizenPained]

Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to remind you that for safety purposes, we ask that you please keep your hands inside the bus at all times while Modbert moves goalposts. Thank you.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

She supports the Death Penalty and is a huge proponent of The War on Drugs. She also supports the U.S embargo on Cuba. She supported the War on Iraq invasion.

She voted for the Bush Tax Cut extensions in 2011. She backed McCain in 2008.

Olympia Snowe on the Issues

She opposed the Health Care Reform bill. She's voted yes several times on proposals to constitutionally ban burning the flag. She voted in 1996 to ban Gay Marriage. In October of 2001 she voted to loosen restrictions on cell phone wiretapping.

She voted no for background checks at gun shows.

She voted with Republican Party 62.9% of the time including 326 votes. (Sep 2007) but that somehow makes her far left? You're out of your tree.

Yet she’s supposed to be conservative?

She wants the government involved in and restricting free speech, she wants the government involved in and restricting privacy rights, and she wants the government violating due process rights and listening in on our private conversations of Americans.

That’s an awful lot of government involvement and lack of government restriction in Americans’ lives. Don’t conservatives advocate government restrictions and respect of individual liberty? Snowe certainly doesn’t sound like a ‘conservative.’

 

[Modbert]

Oh and a question Modbert- what do you classify yourself as?

I'd probably be considered a Liberal, both fiscally and socially.

I'll give you a run down of some of my positions and you let me know what you think.

I'm in favor of Abortion (Roe v Wade) and would consider myself pro-choice. I'm also in favor of Gay Marriage.

I'm opposed to the Death Penalty. I'm in favor of Stem Cell Research.

As for guns, I'm not opposed to concealed carry in most places. I would call myself a sensible supporter of gun rights. I don't believe violent felons should be allowed to own a firearm for example or those who are convicted of domestic abuse.

I'm totally against the War on Drugs. I'm for the legalization of marijuana. I'm for the decriminalization of other drugs (Portugal) and rather we treat addicts as human beings instead of criminals. Statistics show that drugs are just as easy to get in prison, just many times the street value. It does nothing to prevent the cycle.

Speaking of prisons, I'm totally against privatized prisons and I think that it is insane for anyone to support them.

I'm not opposed to the legalization of prostitution, long as those participating are both legal age (18 or over) and both are doing so willingly. I don't think throwing prostitutes in jail is going to solve the problem.

I think the Federal Government needs to do a lot more in terms of veteran healthcare. I think both parties have failed our veterans in the past on this issue, though Gates has made strides in recent years. Especially on the issue of PTSD.

I'm against the Patriot Act, Real ID act.

I'm all in favor of legalizing gambling and online gambling.

I'm against any amendment that would make it illegal to burn a flag.

I'm for lowering the corporate tax rate but at the same time I would want to see loopholes be closed. The number one reason why many corporations don't pay anything on taxes is because they are able to take advantage of the loopholes.

I'm for bringing our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq, I would say immediately. Afghanistan, I am more unsure about since I'm not fully informed of all the intel. However, I would say it is reasonable at the very least to have them home by 2014 at the latest.

If I were in Congress, I would have been in favor of TARP and the Stimulus package.

I'd end trade restrictions on Cuba. The Cold War is over.

I'd close a good deal of military bases that we have over the world. I think it is totally unnecessary to have bases in over 150 countries. It is also astounding how many troops we still have in Germany after all these years.

I'm in favor of alternative energy. I think Ethanol is wasteful and more harmful however. I'm a huge proponent of Nuclear energy however.

I think that about covers it, though you can tell me if I missed anything.