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[Modbert]

I said socially liberal, learn to read. He is socially liberal, even if he does not agree with you about everything.

Except he's not socially Liberal. Just because he supports gun control laws and is not going to get rid of Abortion despite being pro-life does not make him socially Liberal either. One issue does not make someone a Liberal or Conservative. Otherwise just about every other politician would be both a Liberal and Conservative.

 

[Modbert]

Do you understand what the words Socially Liberal mean? That would be the other end of the spectrum from socially conservative.

How does your prediction about their poll numbers change the fact that they are both running for for the Republican nomination?

Except now the goal posts have been moved from "Liberal Republicans" to "Socially Liberal."

Furthermore, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul simply do not support legislation that would ban things like marijuana or prostitution at the federal level. They have no problem with it being banned by a state. That's being what we call a states right proponent, and not Socially Liberal.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I named one without thinking.

If you want others, there is Scott Brown and Chris Christie.

My guess is your head will explode over me including Christie, but he supports gun control and abortion, that makes him socially liberal.

What? Chris Christie a Liberal?

The guy is personally pro-life, however he doesn't support using his office as Governor to make it illegal.

Just because he decides to be aggressive about gun control laws or not outright ban Abortion does not make him a Liberal.

Actually, I think that balancing liberty with safety is what makes you a liberal. Or rather, the kind of liberal I grew up reading about.

I mean, you call Obama a liberal, right? But he says he's uh, 'still thinking' about same-sex marriage but doesn't support government discrimination. What does that tell you?

Liberal, to me, is about how you act - not your lip service.

Balancing liberty and safety makes you a idiot who thinks that safety is more important than liberty, which makes you pretty much the exact opposite of liberal. Why do you think liberals started calling themselves progressive? They could not live with the hypocrisy of calling themselves liberal anymore.

I call Obama a politician. That is not a compliment.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How do you know what I hear, or how often I hear it?

The reason you do not hear the term DINO is that you do not pay attention to anything other than a few people who agree with your worldview. That is why you end up looking stupid when you post and then claim to be moderate. you don't pay enough attention to the real world to actually know what a moderate is.

Personally, I hear the term DINO just as often as I hear the term RINO, and I do not claim to be a moderate.

I don't supposedly pay attention to anything other than a few people who agree with my worldview and yet I've been reading Conservative posts on USMB three years this September.

You do realize that makes absolutely no sense, right?

Furthermore, now that you've run out of evidence (though what you had in the first place wasn't that great), you've now gone on the attack for personal shots.

Typical really and not surprising whatsoever.

I've been on USMB almost three years and not once can I recall that I have seen the word DINO used to describe any Democrat. I've seen RINO being used numerous times. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you hearing DINO as often as RINO is pure bullshit.

If you paid more attention to different things you would have heard the term DINO a lot more than you say you did. That makes you either a liar, or someone who really doesn't pay attention to anything that contradicts his worldview.

 

[Trajan]

I mean, you call Obama a liberal, right?

No.

is Giuliani a social liberal?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I never said that no one uses the term DINO about Democrats. Let's reread what I said, shall we?

I said almost, I didn't say never. That's you putting words in my mouth. You're 0 for 2.

Furthermore, a blog, the NYT and yahoo answers doesn't nearly come close to 1/10th of the amount that RINO is thrown around. I also don't see where these source equal "the people" saying that he was a DINO.

Though I fail to see where NYT calls him a DINO.

Let's face the facts though QW. The fact you had to reach as far as a no-name blog and yahoo answers to find where the term DINO is used only goes to prove my point. Ideological purity is not a factor in the Democratic Party.

How do you know what I hear, or how often I hear it?

The reason you do not hear the term DINO is that you do not pay attention to anything other than a few people who agree with your worldview. That is why you end up looking stupid when you post and then claim to be moderate. you don't pay enough attention to the real world to actually know what a moderate is.

Personally, I hear the term DINO just as often as I hear the term RINO, and I do not claim to be a moderate.

Unfortunately, 'liberal' has become a bad word, so 'moderate' is someone's way of begging the media to not label them as 'liberal'.

Liberal has a negative connotation (eg, to be excessive with something), while Conservative has a positive one (eg, making conservative choices or thinking before you act). While 'liberal' is supposed to come from 'liberty', it's opposition to 'conservative' has changed the meaning.

Personally, I prefer the term Progressive or Populist. Can't have Progressive without progress!

Ah, political linguistics.

Moderates are people who really don't care about something. I know that because the only things I am moderate about are the things I do not care enough about to pick a side.

 

[Trajan]

Do you understand what the words Socially Liberal mean? That would be the other end of the spectrum from socially conservative.

How does your prediction about their poll numbers change the fact that they are both running for for the Republican nomination?

Except now the goal posts have been moved from "Liberal Republicans" to "Socially Liberal."

Furthermore, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul simply do not support legislation that would ban things like marijuana or prostitution at the federal level. They have no problem with it being banned by a state. That's being what we call a states right proponent, and not Socially Liberal.

what is a liberal republican?

 

[CitizenPained]

Chris Christie:

1. Abortion.
- We covered that.

2. Health care.
- Unsure. Anyone know?

3. Same-sex marriage.
- Supports Civil Unions. (Not really that far off from most Democrats, including a certain Senator from Illinois we elected in 2008.)

4. Welfare.
- Seems to be a mixed bag.

5. MMJ.
- Limited (eg, with regulation OMFG NOOOOOEZ!! GOVERMENTZ!)

6. Guns
No surprise a NJ governor supports gun control.


I'd say he's cautiously liberal on social issues. He's not that labor-friendly and he is definitely Big Business, but that's not the only thing that can make someone appear 'liberal'.

My .02.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I said socially liberal, learn to read. He is socially liberal, even if he does not agree with you about everything.

Except he's not socially Liberal. Just because he supports gun control laws and is not going to get rid of Abortion despite being pro-life does not make him socially Liberal either. One issue does not make someone a Liberal or Conservative. Otherwise just about every other politician would be both a Liberal and Conservative.

That is exactly what makes him socially liberal. Socially conservative people want to force people to agree with their point of view, and legislate it into existence.

Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors.

Social conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so stuck in a rut that you cannot admit the truth that is right in front of you.

 

[CitizenPained]

What? Chris Christie a Liberal?

The guy is personally pro-life, however he doesn't support using his office as Governor to make it illegal.

Just because he decides to be aggressive about gun control laws or not outright ban Abortion does not make him a Liberal.

Actually, I think that balancing liberty with safety is what makes you a liberal. Or rather, the kind of liberal I grew up reading about.

I mean, you call Obama a liberal, right? But he says he's uh, 'still thinking' about same-sex marriage but doesn't support government discrimination. What does that tell you?

Liberal, to me, is about how you act - not your lip service.

Balancing liberty and safety makes you a idiot who thinks that safety is more important than liberty, which makes you pretty much the exact opposite of liberal. Why do you think liberals started calling themselves progressive? They could not live with the hypocrisy of calling themselves liberal anymore.

I call Obama a politician. That is not a compliment.

Balancing liberty and safety makes me an idiot?



I don't want guns on my streets or parents putting their kids in the car without seatbelts. Damn. I sure do need to expand my narrow-minded world view, eh.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Do you understand what the words Socially Liberal mean? That would be the other end of the spectrum from socially conservative.

How does your prediction about their poll numbers change the fact that they are both running for for the Republican nomination?

Except now the goal posts have been moved from "Liberal Republicans" to "Socially Liberal."

Furthermore, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul simply do not support legislation that would ban things like marijuana or prostitution at the federal level. They have no problem with it being banned by a state. That's being what we call a states right proponent, and not Socially Liberal.

No it hasn't. I used the term socially liberal from the beginning. You are the one trying to move the goal, I am just keeping them in the same place.

 

[Sallow]

Do you understand what the words Socially Liberal mean? That would be the other end of the spectrum from socially conservative.

How does your prediction about their poll numbers change the fact that they are both running for for the Republican nomination?

Except now the goal posts have been moved from "Liberal Republicans" to "Socially Liberal."

Furthermore, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul simply do not support legislation that would ban things like marijuana or prostitution at the federal level. They have no problem with it being banned by a state. That's being what we call a states right proponent, and not Socially Liberal.

what is a liberal republican?

Extinct?

 

[Modbert]

That is exactly what makes him socially liberal. Socially conservative people want to force people to agree with their point of view, and legislate it into existence.

Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors.

Social conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so stuck in a rut that you cannot admit the truth that is right in front of you.

Except by your definition then due to his position on gun control that makes him a Social Conservative. Like I said before, one issue doesn't make him a social Liberal. He's not going to attempt to ban Abortion in a state like New Jersey. That's political smarts on the part of Christie.

 

[CitizenPained]

I said socially liberal, learn to read. He is socially liberal, even if he does not agree with you about everything.

Except he's not socially Liberal. Just because he supports gun control laws and is not going to get rid of Abortion despite being pro-life does not make him socially Liberal either. One issue does not make someone a Liberal or Conservative. Otherwise just about every other politician would be both a Liberal and Conservative.

That is exactly what makes him socially liberal. Socially conservative people want to force people to agree with their point of view, and legislate it into existence.

Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors.

Social conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so stuck in a rut that you cannot admit the truth that is right in front of you.

Well, if we're going to Wiki Academy here, I'd like to offer some food for thought.

1. I believe that a two parent household is better than a single parent one (most of the time).

2. I believe that people should realize their full potential and be contributing members of society.

3. I cringe when people say they don't vote or try to eschew jury duty.

4. I think Pride Parades are more about sex and costumes and less about political jurisprudence. I ******* hate them.


I also vote Democrat, support a right to a good public education, think that teachers are underpaid, would like to see the playing field evened a bit for the poor, and feel that same sex marriage is not detrimental to society. I recycle, I donate to charity, I'm a member of the Junior League, and was a card-carrying member of SEIU.

Social conservative? Depends on which way you're peering at the bell jar.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Actually, I think that balancing liberty with safety is what makes you a liberal. Or rather, the kind of liberal I grew up reading about.

I mean, you call Obama a liberal, right? But he says he's uh, 'still thinking' about same-sex marriage but doesn't support government discrimination. What does that tell you?

Liberal, to me, is about how you act - not your lip service.

Balancing liberty and safety makes you a idiot who thinks that safety is more important than liberty, which makes you pretty much the exact opposite of liberal. Why do you think liberals started calling themselves progressive? They could not live with the hypocrisy of calling themselves liberal anymore.

I call Obama a politician. That is not a compliment.

Balancing liberty and safety makes me an idiot?



I don't want guns on my streets or parents putting their kids in the car without seatbelts. Damn. I sure do need to expand my narrow-minded world view, eh.

It certainly does not make you a liberal, no matter how lofty you make your motives sound.

 

[Modbert]

No it hasn't. I used the term socially liberal from the beginning. You are the one trying to move the goal, I am just keeping them in the same place.

Not the exact term you used looking back.

Where the **** do you people get this bullshit from?

Take a look at the states the Blue dogs represent sometime, then compare them to Republicans from liberal states. You will see that the truth is that Republicans are just as broad spectrum as Democrats. There are far right, socially conservative Democrats, and far left, socially liberal Republicans.

Still waiting for the names of those far left Republicans.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That is exactly what makes him socially liberal. Socially conservative people want to force people to agree with their point of view, and legislate it into existence.

Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider traditional values or behaviors.

Social conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so stuck in a rut that you cannot admit the truth that is right in front of you.

Except by your definition then due to his position on gun control that makes him a Social Conservative. Like I said before, one issue doesn't make him a social Liberal. He's not going to attempt to ban Abortion in a state like New Jersey. That's political smarts on the part of Christie.

He is, like most people, flexible about some things. It doesn't change the fact that he opposes government interference in most issues that social conservatives support.

 

[Modbert]

He is, like most people, flexible about some things. It doesn't change the fact that he opposes government interference in most issues that social conservatives support.

What else? You say most issues but are only naming Abortion.

 

[Trajan]

any far right democrats?

 

[Trajan]

is Giuliani a social liberal?