Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[Quantum Windbag]

So Modbert is kind of like the Obama platform?

What? Mind clarifying because you're not making much sense.

Full of shit, and does exactly what Bush did.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Michele "One Who Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" Bachmann and her ilk has never seen a far rightwing pledge that they didn't want to sign.

The pledge is clearly advocating and/or suggesting the banning of pornography.

Good luck with THAT!

The idiot speaks.

Guess what, I can site lawyers who think that that the last thing that pledge is talking about is banning pornography. Don't let reality get in the way of your delusions though.

The Volokh Conspiracy » Did Bachmann Pledge to Ban Pornography?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Is it wrong if Obama has religious reasons for being against same sex marriage or are religious views and liberalism not compatible?

Like I said. It's about how you act. I mean, I'm Jewish (an atheist one, but whatever) and I vote Democrat along with 75 per cent of my fellow Jews. A Republican Jew just sounds weird when I say it aloud. Israel is really secular (and has plenty of social programs to make a Republican suicidal) and it's 70 per cent Jewish.

You can be religious and liberal.

Can you be liberal and against same sex marriage?

Yes. You can even be gay and against it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Again.

I am talking about social liberals, not classical liberals, or even the type of liberal you think you are, which is not a liberal at all. I have made that plain from the start, and you keep trying to mix in progressive ideals and try to force me to accept your parameters for the discussion. I have been doing this a lot longer than you, and am not going to be distracted by your constant attempts to derail the discussion into something else.

The only one trying to derail the discussion is yourself. Someone who votes with the Republicans 62.9% of the time is not far left, simple as that.

The issue here is you think you have a monopoly on how to define terms.

It is pretty easy to pick one session and claim that proves something. Unfortunately, it doesn't prove what you think it does. Why don't you go look at her voting record the entire time she has been in Congress and tell me what her voting record over that time is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I gave a name of a far left Republican and your response was that the Republicans want Snowe out of the party. Since then you have been accusing me of moving the goalpost, even though the post you just quoted shows that I have been using the term socially liberal from the beginning.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Snowe isn't far left. I said she was a Liberal Republican at best.

Snowe is not a lefty at all, she is not a socialist, she is a liberal Republican in the Ford tradition, who has no trouble calling a cranky far righty a cranky far righty.

QWB is a Far Righty Extremist Fascist, for sure, with those kind of statements.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He does keep trying. Unfortunately for him, most of the world is older than he is, and has seen it before.

It's pretty sad you have to keep resorting to attacking me personally when you have no argument. You did it earlier when I kept proving you wrong about the usage of DINO and ended up saying "I see it more in my personal life" when you couldn't come up with any definitive proof outside of yahoo answers of all things.

Stop winging. If I ever attack you personally you will know it. All I am doing is commenting on your pathetic attempts to force me to accept your definitions when I am using a term I chose specifically in order to make a specific point about the difference between classical liberals and modern liberals/progressives who think that the only way to fix things is to involve the government.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I gave a name of a far left Republican and your response was that the Republicans want Snowe out of the party. Since then you have been accusing me of moving the goalpost, even though the post you just quoted shows that I have been using the term socially liberal from the beginning.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Snowe isn't far left. I said she was a Liberal Republican at best.

Snowe is not a lefty at all, she is not a socialist, she is a liberal Republican in the Ford tradition, who has no trouble calling a cranky far righty a cranky far righty.

QWB is a Far Righty Extremist Fascist, for sure, with those kind of statements.

Coming from a guy that thinks I am a statist when most of the people on this board think I am an anarchist, I take that as a compliment. If you are against anything I can be pretty sure it is the right thing to do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You don't even know what you are, QWB, but I do: you write as if you are a Far Righty Extremist Fascist, for sure, with those kind of statements. If you are proud to be identified as a fascist, go for it. I support you in your contention that must be what you are politically and culturally.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You don't even know what you are, QWB, but I do: you write as if you are a Far Righty Extremist Fascist, for sure, with those kind of statements. If you are proud to be identified as a fascist, go for it. I support you in your contention that must be what you are politically and culturally.

Right.

I am a fascist that thinks the first thing we should do is cut the government in half, and then pare it down to the bare bones. I guess that makes me a small government fascist.

As for being right wing, I support SSM, have a better record on civil rights than you, and believe that individual freedom rumps government power.

I know exactly what I am, you are the one that is confused because I do not fit into any of your boxes.

 

[Modbert]

It is pretty easy to pick one session and claim that proves something.

Certainly more evidence than you have.

Unfortunately, it doesn't prove what you think it does. Why don't you go look at her voting record the entire time she has been in Congress and tell me what her voting record over that time is.

I've already given you numerous examples which you have decided to ignore. Snowe is definitely not far left. It's up to you to prove how she is far left.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are a fascist who believes that business should control government. No, you do not have a better right on civil rights than me, I guarantee it. You have no idea what you are, but yes you fit the fascist box.

 

[elvis]

You are a fascist who believes that business should control government. No, you do not have a better right on civil rights than me, I guarantee it. You have no idea what you are, but yes you fit the fascist box.

Do we live in a fascist society?

 

[JakeStarkey]

It is pretty easy to pick one session and claim that proves something.

Certainly more evidence than you have.

Unfortunately, it doesn't prove what you think it does. Why don't you go look at her voting record the entire time she has been in Congress and tell me what her voting record over that time is.

I've already given you numerous examples which you have decided to ignore. Snowe is definitely not far left. It's up to you to prove how she is far left.

Shoot, quantum can't even prove he is not fascist, much less prove that Snowe is some far left liberal. You know,Mod, I bet that would come as a real surprise to her.

 

[Si modo]

You are a fascist who believes that business should control government.

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Clearly, to those who read, he does not.

.... No, you do not have a better right on civil rights than me, I guarantee it.
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He didn't say he did.

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You have no idea what you are, but yes you fit the fascist box.

Actually, he is far from that box.

But you are an idiot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are a fascist who believes that business should control government. No, you do not have a better right on civil rights than me, I guarantee it. You have no idea what you are, but yes you fit the fascist box.

Do we live in a fascist society?

Your questions is misframed, I think, but wherever we let the corporatist fascists use business to control government (remember Cheney allowing businesses to write legislation in his supposedly secret meetings?), we approach fascist polity.

And I noticed Si Modo fell on her keister again. Girl, read more carefully, please.

 

[elvis]

You are a fascist who believes that business should control government. No, you do not have a better right on civil rights than me, I guarantee it. You have no idea what you are, but yes you fit the fascist box.

Do we live in a fascist society?

Your questions is misframed, I think, but wherever we let the corporatist fascists use business to control government (remember Cheney allowing businesses to write legislation in his supposedly secret meetings?), we approach fascist polity.

reason I ask is because it can be argued that corporations have a tremendous amount of pull on government: lobbyists.

 

[JakeStarkey]

On business lobbyists who lobby politicians and civil servants? Yes, I agree.

 

[CitizenPained]

How the **** does a fascist support big corporations? ! Fascism is a nationalistic single-party movement whose economic elements are aimed at total government control.

Cheney isn't a fascist. He's an asshole.

 

[elvis]

How the **** does a fascist support big corporations? ! Fascism is a nationalistic single-party movement whose economic elements are aimed at total government control.

Cheney isn't a fascist. He's an asshole.

There seems to be more than one definition of fascist. and I'm not just talking about this board.

 

[Si modo]

How the **** does a fascist support big corporations? ! Fascism is a nationalistic single-party movement whose economic elements are aimed at total government control.

Cheney isn't a fascist. He's an asshole.

There seems to be more than one definition of fascist. and I'm not just talking about this board.

All of the ones I have heard involve single-party states and totalitarian government.