AZ Gov Jan Brewer says her Father died fighting Nazis. Problem? He Didn't

[JakeStarkey]

Jan did, Jarhead, say it in a way that dishonored her father's effort and the effort of all those who died during the war.

Yes, that is exactly how she meant it: for political purposes.

 

[WillowTree]

Lying libturds and the lies they tell.. calling her hitler's daughter is just a damn libturd thing.. liars all.

 

[Jarhead]

Jan did, Jarhead, say it in a way that dishonored her father's effort and the effort of all those who died during the war.

Yes, that is exactly how she meant it: for political purposes.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I see those that wish to take it the way you took it as those that would do the same for the same political reasons.

Every person I know that was alive back in the 40's said they took it exactly as she meant it. Why? Becuase that is exactly what they felt back then.

 

[WillowTree]

Jan did, Jarhead, say it in a way that dishonored her father's effort and the effort of all those who died during the war.

Yes, that is exactly how she meant it: for political purposes.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I see those that wish to take it the way you took it as those that would do the same for the same political reasons.

Every person I know that was alive back in the 40's said they took it exactly as she meant it. Why? Becuase that is exactly what they felt back then.

but libturds lie.. it's just that simple.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jan did, Jarhead, say it in a way that dishonored her father's effort and the effort of all those who died during the war.

Yes, that is exactly how she meant it: for political purposes.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I see those that wish to take it the way you took it as those that would do the same for the same political reasons.

Every person I know that was alive back in the 40's said they took it exactly as she meant it. Why? Becuase that is exactly what they felt back then.

but libturds lie.. it's just that simple.

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

 

[bodecea]

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I see those that wish to take it the way you took it as those that would do the same for the same political reasons.

Every person I know that was alive back in the 40's said they took it exactly as she meant it. Why? Becuase that is exactly what they felt back then.

but libturds lie.. it's just that simple.

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

Yes we all know that. And yet, she does give us some comic relief....

 

[Jarhead]

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I see those that wish to take it the way you took it as those that would do the same for the same political reasons.

Every person I know that was alive back in the 40's said they took it exactly as she meant it. Why? Becuase that is exactly what they felt back then.

but libturds lie.. it's just that simple.

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

 

[AllieBaba]

You find that exact quote from Obamam, Cali-crumbs. You won't find it, even though you just used that quote.


Context is too difficult for some folks, 'specially Cali-crumbs. snopes.com: Say What, Barack?

Do you duck so the point goes over your head? Genuine question.

Even ******* snopes excuses his claims by saying it's the context of the words, not the words. My point - this is the exact same thing as you are doing with Brewer.

In his speech.... and I have a copy of the whole speech - as delivered and as originally written - he clearly connects his birth with the Selma marches etc. BUT - any intelligent person knows the dates don't work.

So, if you can argue about what Obama meant and what he actually said.... then, surely to God, you can see the same shit with Brewer's remarks? If yes, you have a brain. If no, you are a partisan hack. Simple.

...Said the hack.

Did Obama use some poetic license here?

"What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, "You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites." So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child.

There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

I'm here because somebody marched. I'm here because you all sacrificed for me. I stand on the shoulders of giants. I thank the Moses generation; but we've got to remember, now, that Joshua still had a job to do. As great as Moses was, despite all that he did, leading a people out of bondage, he didn't cross over the river to see the Promised Land. God told him your job is done. You'll see it. You'll be at the mountain top and you can see what I've promised. What I've promised to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. You will see that I've fulfilled that promise but you won't go there."

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Yes. The "I am here today" refers pretty obviously to his presence as a candidate for President, not his birth. He didn't say "Selma Got Me Born" either, that's YOUR license.

Did he pander some? Yes. He did.

If you want to compare that to Brewer turning her father into some WWII Nazi fighting War Hero, and her fetid pandering, fine.

Obama took shit for his comments. She has to take shit for hers.

When he said he stood on the shoulders of giants, was he mayhap referring to his boot on the neck of BP?

Obama's a lying jackass.

 

[AllieBaba]

but libturds lie.. it's just that simple.

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

While Obama spins elaborate lies with backstory and music, this woman said (truthfully) her father died thanks to his contribution to the war effort.

One sentence. She didn't lie or elaborate. The lies and elaboration come, per usual, from the dishonest, honorless yahoos.

 

[American Horse]

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

While Obama spins elaborate lies with backstory and music, this woman said (truthfully) her father died thanks to his contribution to the war effort.

One sentence. She didn't lie or elaborate. The lies and elaboration come, per usual, from the dishonest, honorless yahoos.

What she said was ...her “father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany.”

She did not say her father died in Germany fighting the Nazi Regime.

To me it seems to be a statement made out of emotion, not intentional dishonesty.

I can speak as one from that era. I was born 7 months before the attack on Pearl Harbor. As I said in a earlier post, the fear and anxiety people felt was palpable and parents transmitted those feelings to their children, even those who were very young. Anyone working in manufacturing had joined the "HOME-FRONT" against the enemy felt at war. Jan Brewer'comment s recognized that connection; even after the war had ended it was still the same, because we went directly into a Cold War, a difference which was not entirely distinguishable to a child of her age. I'm a few years older and I still have strong feelings about those days, so I can appreciate her, except to some, really innocuous statement.

The knives come out once again to assassinate a public figure who takes a stand against the status quo. This is an indication of how much certain of us truly want no change in the way we deal with our illegal immigrant issue. Even her state, being besieged by drug cartel and illegal immigration that makes living within 60 miles of the border as dangerous as living in Iraq, by passing a law that enforces existing federal law (but only in a diluted form), too clearly identifies the real problem: ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

A lot of people in Arizona, not least of all Jan Brewer, must have a feeling of being at war, reminiscent of the early 40’s.

And now the Feds move in against Arizona to prevent them from enforcing the existing law going after US businesses who employ illegal immigrants; what everyone says they want, not, mind you, going after the illegals themselves.

As Jan Brewer asked "why doesn't the (federal) government just do its job?"

 

[AllieBaba]

When I was poor, Bird's Nests were the shizzle, also.

Put 1/2 " of butter in a fry pan, put a half-dollar sized hole in a slice of bread....cook an egg in the hole in the bread.....(also cook the cut-out middle...soaks the butter so yummy).....and Ba'am. You are Emeril.

Kick it up a notch: try fitting in a quicky while the egg cooks, but do NOT nut in the kitchen. ewwey.

Toad in the Hole. My daughter loved me making those when she was young.

We called it something else...Sun in a window? egg in a basket?

Use olive oil, fresh eggs and french bread if you want it even more tasty....also cook a couple of tomato slices and slap that and a slice of mozzarella on the top after you turn it.

YUM.

I used to serve it with Italian sausage for breakfast when I was married to and Italian.

 

[AllieBaba]

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

While Obama spins elaborate lies with backstory and music, this woman said (truthfully) her father died thanks to his contribution to the war effort.

One sentence. She didn't lie or elaborate. The lies and elaboration come, per usual, from the dishonest, honorless yahoos.

What she said was ...her “father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany.”

She did not say her father died in Germany fighting the Nazi Regime.

To me it seems to be a statement made out of emotion, not intentional dishonesty.

I can speak as one from that era. I was born 7 months before the attack on Pearl Harbor. As I said in a earlier post, the fear and anxiety people felt was palpable and parents transmitted those feelings to their children, even those who were very young. Anyone working in manufacturing had joined the "HOME-FRONT" against the enemy felt at war. Jan Brewer'comment s recognized that connection; even after the war had ended it was still the same, because we went directly into a Cold War, a difference which was not entirely distinguishable to a child of her age. I'm a few years older and I still have strong feelings about those days, so I can appreciate her, except to some, really innocuous statement.

The knives come out once again to assassinate a public figure who takes a stand against the status quo. This is an indication of how much certain of us truly want no change in the way we deal with our illegal immigrant issue. Even her state, being besieged by drug cartel and illegal immigration that makes living within 60 miles of the border as dangerous as living in Iraq, by passing a law that enforces existing federal law (but only in a diluted form), too clearly identifies the real problem: ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

A lot of people in Arizona, not least of all Jan Brewer, must have a feeling of being at war, reminiscent of the early 40’s.

And now the Feds move in against Arizona to prevent them from enforcing the existing law going after US businesses who employ illegal immigrants; what everyone says they want, not, mind you, going after the illegals themselves.

As Jan Brewer asked "why doesn't the (federal) government just do its job?"

Because the current regime thinks we exist to support them. Not the other way around.

 

[JakeStarkey]

but libturds lie.. it's just that simple.

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

Jarhead, I truly believe that you believe wrongly on this issue. Jan's dad died from factory-related issues. He did not die from fighting Nazis or the Nazi regime. I served a long time on active duty, and I and my compadres don't interpret as you do, and most of the veterans of the DAV and VFW here who fought in WWII don't think she should have said it.

No upside exists for Jan. However, as stupid (or bad as some here portray it) as she was, Blumenthal was worse.

Both have to resign.

 

[Jarhead]

willow, quit lying, please. I have asked those alive in the forties and most say the opposite of what you are saying, jarhead. So we have a failure to communicate here.

You probably believe what you write.

Willow simply lies, we all know that.

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

Jarhead, I truly believe that you believe wrongly on this issue. Jan's dad died from factory-related issues. He did not die from fighting Nazis or the Nazi regime. I served a long time on active duty, and I and my compadres don't interpret as you do, and most of the veterans of the DAV and VFW here who fought in WWII don't think she should have said it.

No upside exists for Jan. However, as stupid (or bad as some here portray it) as she was, Blumenthal was worse.

Both have to resign.

I too spend much time at the VFW. ANd I disagree with the sentiment of the 40's. All that died during the war, at home or abroad were consider casualaites of war if they were involved in any type of military manufacturing, etc...assuming the death was untimely and a result of the job itself.

If you review some of her many speeches, she never embellished his role in the war. This was one time where it could be taken that way if one wanted to, but if you read or listen to the many other times she talked about her dad's death, she did not give off the wrong impression.

It may have been a poor choice of words, yes, but by a woman who always talked about her dad's death. It is not like she was not on the record saying the exact truth with the exact correct words many times already.

Why are others allowed to mispeak and not her? She has a track re3cord of honesty regarding the situation. So why could she not have simply chosen the wrong words?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It would make more sense to say he died as a result of his part in the struggle against the Nazi regime
How far that is away from "died fighting the Nazi regime in germany "

Or "Died in the jihad against Hitler" .

I dont think it crosses in to stolen valor.

I think the point is that this is just a story meant to tarnish Jan Brewer's image right when she's in the middle of a struggle against Obama to merely PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF HER STATE.

They couldn't get her by lying about her bill and instilling hatred against her.....so now they slander her.

How many times have we seen this tactic in the news? Is this the fate of anyone who stands up to this thuggish and corrupt White House?

The reason I suspect it's a fabrication is because there is no other evidence that it even took place other then the word of a journalist or two in so-called respected newspapers. Most of them never witnessed the gaff first hand. Of course they would never lie....would they????

This story has been blogged to the hilt but not one word of it has surfaced in the news elsewhere....even while she was talking and shaking hands with the President in the White House. Not one mention of it.

For the record, the Republic didn't get this from the AP or Reuters. She made the remark while being interviewed by the Republic reporter, so the reporter DID actually hear Brewer say it firsthand. And MSNBC had a story on it, if THAT means anything to you. Doesn't to me, but . . .

 

[Cecilie1200]

Brewer did not say that he FAUGHT the nazis - she said he 'faught' them by working in a munitions factory! In a way, THAT IS fighting the nazis just as those who worked building planes to fight them, etc.! Nobody is better at embellishment than is 'the great one'!! Bar none.

Citizens of that great generation are well aware that just about every American at that time was fighting the Nazi's in some way shape or form.

Sadly, the selfish generations that followed can not comprehend such "patriotism". Only those raping, killing army people of today fight wars. And they should be dammed to hell for doing it.

And it is those selfish generations who can not comprehend true patriotism that decided to use her fathers death as a political tool against a political party..

Pathetic.

Sadly, the selfish generations that followed can not comprehend such "patriotism". Only those raping, killing army people of today fight wars. And they should be dammed to hell for doing it.

You just called everyone that's ever served in the military since WW2 Pussies.

Shame on you!

You are insane.

Way to deliberately misunderstand English. I am speechless with awe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I beleive what I write as it is the truth. I find it hard to believe that you have found a majority from the forties that did not feel as I say. It does no jibe with the sentiment of the forties.

All Americans were at war at the time and most Americans were involved with the war effort. And most Americans considered any death in America that was caused by doing something related to the war effort as a war related death.

Whether it be a military individual or a civilian loading munitions on a C-47, if they died doing so, it was a war related death.

She never ONCE siad it was a combat related death. Many Americans died during the war becuase of the war, but at home when it happened.

Sorry, I just dont believe you spoke to too many people from that time.

Jarhead, I truly believe that you believe wrongly on this issue. Jan's dad died from factory-related issues. He did not die from fighting Nazis or the Nazi regime. I served a long time on active duty, and I and my compadres don't interpret as you do, and most of the veterans of the DAV and VFW here who fought in WWII don't think she should have said it.

No upside exists for Jan. However, as stupid (or bad as some here portray it) as she was, Blumenthal was worse.

Both have to resign.

I too spend much time at the VFW. ANd I disagree with the sentiment of the 40's. All that died during the war, at home or abroad were consider casualaites of war if they were involved in any type of military manufacturing, etc...assuming the death was untimely and a result of the job itself.

If you review some of her many speeches, she never embellished his role in the war. This was one time where it could be taken that way if one wanted to, but if you read or listen to the many other times she talked about her dad's death, she did not give off the wrong impression.

It may have been a poor choice of words, yes, but by a woman who always talked about her dad's death. It is not like she was not on the record saying the exact truth with the exact correct words many times already.

Why are others allowed to mispeak and not her? She has a track re3cord of honesty regarding the situation. So why could she not have simply chosen the wrong words?

Why? I don't have to read CC's nonsense above to point out both sides do it. Neither side is right when they do it and need to be called on it. At the very best it was a poor choice of words, and if that is the case she needs to stop defending them and plead mea culpa, a mind blip.

What the hardcore right and left here don't understand is that the body politic is fed up with politics as usual, and those like Blumenthal and Brewer (is she does not apologize) are in for rough times. Blumenthal should resign immediately, and Brewer should apologize publicly and profusely.

 

[bodecea]

When I was poor, Bird's Nests were the shizzle, also.

Put 1/2 " of butter in a fry pan, put a half-dollar sized hole in a slice of bread....cook an egg in the hole in the bread.....(also cook the cut-out middle...soaks the butter so yummy).....and Ba'am. You are Emeril.

Kick it up a notch: try fitting in a quicky while the egg cooks, but do NOT nut in the kitchen. ewwey.

Toad in the Hole. My daughter loved me making those when she was young.

We called it something else...Sun in a window? egg in a basket?

Use olive oil, fresh eggs and french bread if you want it even more tasty....also cook a couple of tomato slices and slap that and a slice of mozzarella on the top after you turn it.

YUM.

I used to serve it with Italian sausage for breakfast when I was married to and Italian.

I will have to try that. While not Italian myself, I have Italian relatives via marriage and come from an area of Western NY with LOTS of Italians. Yum Yum.

 

[Jarhead]

Jarhead, I truly believe that you believe wrongly on this issue. Jan's dad died from factory-related issues. He did not die from fighting Nazis or the Nazi regime. I served a long time on active duty, and I and my compadres don't interpret as you do, and most of the veterans of the DAV and VFW here who fought in WWII don't think she should have said it.

No upside exists for Jan. However, as stupid (or bad as some here portray it) as she was, Blumenthal was worse.

Both have to resign.

I too spend much time at the VFW. ANd I disagree with the sentiment of the 40's. All that died during the war, at home or abroad were consider casualaites of war if they were involved in any type of military manufacturing, etc...assuming the death was untimely and a result of the job itself.

If you review some of her many speeches, she never embellished his role in the war. This was one time where it could be taken that way if one wanted to, but if you read or listen to the many other times she talked about her dad's death, she did not give off the wrong impression.

It may have been a poor choice of words, yes, but by a woman who always talked about her dad's death. It is not like she was not on the record saying the exact truth with the exact correct words many times already.

Why are others allowed to mispeak and not her? She has a track re3cord of honesty regarding the situation. So why could she not have simply chosen the wrong words?

Why? I don't have to read CC's nonsense above to point out both sides do it. Neither side is right when they do it and need to be called on it. At the very best it was a poor choice of words, and if that is the case she needs to stop defending them and plead mea culpa, a mind blip.

What the hardcore right and left here don't understand is that the body politic is fed up with politics as usual, and those like Blumenthal and Brewer (is she does not apologize) are in for rough times. Blumenthal should resign immediately, and Brewer should apologize publicly and profusely.

I dont disagree. Last night I said to my wife as we watched the story on the news that it would be best for her to say "My record on the story about my dad shows that I was not intentionally trying to embellish his participation in the war, but I regret using words that may have given off the wrong impression this time around".
Instead, she used the opportunity to bash those that opted to bash her......leaving no winner and the people as the losers.

As for those that intentionally embellish their military history? Shame in itself is enough punishment in my eyes. How could anyone live with themselves after getting caught in making themself come across as Superman when in fact they are nothing but a wannabe?

 

[Jarhead]

Citizens of that great generation are well aware that just about every American at that time was fighting the Nazi's in some way shape or form.

Sadly, the selfish generations that followed can not comprehend such "patriotism". Only those raping, killing army people of today fight wars. And they should be dammed to hell for doing it.

And it is those selfish generations who can not comprehend true patriotism that decided to use her fathers death as a political tool against a political party..

Pathetic.

Sadly, the selfish generations that followed can not comprehend such "patriotism". Only those raping, killing army people of today fight wars. And they should be dammed to hell for doing it.

You just called everyone that's ever served in the military since WW2 Pussies.

Shame on you!

You are insane.

Way to deliberately misunderstand English. I am speechless with awe.

She did not deliberately misunderstand. To the contrary, I can see how she may have misunderstood. She apologized and we both moved on.
However, I apopreciate your defense. Thanks.