AZ Gov Jan Brewer says her Father died fighting Nazis. Problem? He Didn't

[del]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

Thanks for a great post that was insightful and was without spiteful remarks. Though not surprised it came from you at this point.

i'm getting old

 

[random3434]

I always give myself a little test in these situations. What would the looney right's reaction be if we swapped the Gov's name with that of Obama's and he had said it. Anybody care to guess?

yes i can tell you exactly what would happen Doc.....the positions here would be reversed....all the far leftist would be taking the exact position that all the hard righties are taking here and vise-versa....and all the more moderate folks would be about the same......

So you would still be making fun of the left wingers, but not the right wingers, right?

 

[WillowTree]

Damn I'm glad I put together a thoughtful response to the OP.

Did you see my response to your post Samson? And thank you for putting together a thoughtful post.

too damn bad you can't ever manage to be thoughtful innit?

 

[Samson]

Damn I'm glad I put together a thoughtful response to the OP.

Did you see my response to your post Samson? And thank you for putting together a thoughtful post.

too damn bad you can't ever manage to be thoughtful innit?

<<<<sigh>>>>


here we go.

[unsubscribe]

 

[Modbert]

But YET? You haven't JOINED. WHY? Why NOT?

Because you're a smarmy loud mouth *PUNK* that lets *HIS* words overload *HIS* ASS.

And it's so fuckin' cool to let other FIGHT YOUR BATTLES overseas to keep YOUR ass safe...so YOU can be a MODERATOR...isn't it?

Get OUT of your mother's BASEMENT and Join the Military and DEFEND your country for once? Or in YOUR estimation would YOU lose favour with your Liberal Brothers/Sisters for WEARING the Uniform?

I don't need to join the Military to respect the people who are in it. If this country ever gets invaded, I'll gladly help defend it. I don't see what your obsession is with telling others to join the military.

Are you another one who thinks no Liberals join the Military?

 

[geauxtohell]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

I don't loathe the military at all. I respect anyone who has the courage to join, and serve honorably. I have said this many times. I have shown through my words and actions here on USMB, that I respect our military for fighting overseas which allows people like myself and you to post on these message boards.

M'eh. Don't waste your breath (or bandwidth). It goes without saying and no matter what you say, Tank Engine is going to bash you about the head and neck with whatever the hell he did in the military 15 years ago.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I play the veteran card on here shamelessly, but in reality, "what the hell does that have to do with anything, Walter?"

 

[Harry Dresden]

im sure people like Rdean and Zona called her worse for the Immigration bill....

And I'm not doubting that she has been called names for it. However, I do question whether she was called Hitler's daughter. I'd be more than willing to go "Hey, that's wrong" if someone showed me somebody said it.

come on Bert....you dont think someone called her Hitlers Daughter or Mom for this bill?.....everything said in life is not linked or recorded....im willing to bet if the Gov was a black lady and did something stupid you would have no problems believing the KKK called her a ******,even though no one can verify it with a "link"....

 

[The T]

I always give myself a little test in these situations. What would the looney right's reaction be if we swapped the Gov's name with that of Obama's and he had said it. Anybody care to guess?

yes i can tell you exactly what would happen Doc.....the positions here would be reversed....all the far leftist would be taking the exact position that all the hard righties are taking here and vise-versa....and all the more moderate folks would be about the same......

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

The inference was made that Jan brewer's DAD wasn't fighting the NAZI's...as the Liberal PRESS would have YOU belive...

In fact? This entire damned Country was IN THE FIGHT no matter the capacity.

FLAW...OP's Premise.

 

[del]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

I don't loathe the military at all. I respect anyone who has the courage to join, and serve honorably. I have said this many times. I have shown through my words and actions here on USMB, that I respect our military for fighting overseas which allows people like myself and you to post on these message boards.

But YET? You haven't JOINED. WHY? Why NOT?

Because you're a smarmy loud mouth *PUNK* that lets *HIS* words overload *HIS* ASS.

And it's so fuckin' cool to let other FIGHT YOUR BATTLES overseas to keep YOUR ass safe...so YOU can be a MODERATOR...isn't it?

Get OUT of your mother's BASEMENT and Join the Military and DEFEND your country for once? Or in YOUR estimation would YOU lose favour with your Liberal Brothers/Sisters for WEARING the Uniform?

chill out, dude. this is way, way, way out of line. for starters, he's only been old enough to enlist for about six months, and it's none of your concern if he does or doesn't.

he has just as much right to express his opinions as someone with hashmarks from elbow to wrist and a chest full of campaign ribbons, and i, for one, have never seen him post anything derogatory about anyone's service, left or right. your rant is completely out of line, and completely uncalled for.

smarten up or log off.

 

[WillowTree]

i would bet pesos to dollars that all the libs whining about this defended obama's comment about when he was concieved....selma march....

some hacktactular stuff here

why honey bunny.. I can remember their exact response.. "what politician doesn't lie"??

 

[txlonghorn]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

kinda hard to disagree with a well thought out and objective response. well done

My dad passed away 12 years ago from mesothelioma, which it has been determined he contracted from the asbestos used in the ship's hulls while serving in the Navy during the Korean War. He didn't die in Korea fighting Koreans, but he did die as a result of that war. I agree with you...Governor Brewer definitely didn't phrase it right, but what he was doing was serving his country as a factory worker that provided military staples during WW2.

Regardless, the only reason this story is even out there, is due to a harsh, unnecessary attack by people who, for the most part, haven't even read the bill they are so pissed off about....see Eric Holder's admission here...AG Eric Holder Admits He Hasn't Read Arizona's Immigration Law - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

 

[geauxtohell]

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

Thank God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

 

[del]

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

Thank, God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

well that explains why i never heard back from NASA.

damn, i was good at it, too.

 

[random3434]

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

Thank, God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

well that explains why i never heard back from NASA.

damn, i was good at it, too.

Did you make fried frog legs when you were done?

 

[The Rabbi]

Signing Arizona immigration law was never a question for governor

She also opened herself up to what she says were unanticipated personal attacks.

"The Nazi comments . . . they are awful," she said, her voice dropping. "Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that . . . and then to have them call me Hitler's daughter. It hurts. It's ugliness beyond anything I've ever experienced."

A sad story indeed, except:

Brewer tells conflicting stories about dad's war effort

Thoughts USMB? Considering the recent events with people lying about their military record, what made Governor Brewer think nobody would check this?

LBJ used to say that his grandfather died fighting Indians, or some such bullshit. Actually he died peacefully in bed.
Big Freakin deal.

 

[Modbert]

well that explains why i never heard back from nasa.

Damn, i was good at it, too.

 

[Toro]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

I would not wish her father's fate on anyone, and I feel bad for her and for him.

However, I'm going to disagree.

If you say that one died "fighting the Nazis," it implies that one knowingly and deliberately put oneself in harm's way. If you were to tell someone today that you were "fighting the war in Iraq," people would have a far different impression if you were actually a line assemblyman at a Northrop Grumman plant in California. If someone died on the line during peacetime at Northrop, would we say that the person died fighting some enemy of the US? Probably not.

Now, maybe he knew he was going into an extremely dangerous plant, I don't know. But many, many people worked in dangerous situations in peacetime, including in chemical plants. How is her father's job any different? Couldn't you say that most people who died in on-the-job accidents from 1941 to 1945 died due to "fighting the Nazis" since most industry was re-directed either directly or indirectly for the war effort? Doesn't that diminish the soldiers who put themselves in the line of fire?

Words and context matters. When you say that someone died "fighting the Nazis," it invokes a specific imagery that usually does not preclude working in a plant. Of course, there will be specific instances when this isn't the case, but usually the term "fighting" has a specific context.

In the 1990s, there was a very loud debate over political correctness and what it meant to be sexually harassed. At the time, liberals and feminists were greatly expanding what it meant to be "sexually harassed." I remember reading some stupid thing that said if a guy was out at dinner with a girl and he looked at the waitress as she walked by, he was "sexually harassing" his date. At the time, conservatives stood up against this stupidity as the language was being shaped to conform to a political agenda. Words and their context have meaning.

I am going to assume that the governor did not mean to mislead people, and maybe her father did do something dangerous that most people weren't exposed to in the war effort. But to most people, "fighting Nazis" means something quite different than working in a plant in the United States.

 

[Modbert]

LBJ used to say that his grandfather died fighting Indians, or some such bullshit. Actually he died peacefully in bed.
Big Freakin deal.

LBJ has what to do with this thread? Oh right, nothing.

 

[Zona]

im sure people like Rdean and Zona called her worse for the Immigration bill....

And I'm not doubting that she has been called names for it. However, I do question whether she was called Hitler's daughter. I'd be more than willing to go "Hey, that's wrong" if someone showed me somebody said it.

come on Bert....you dont think someone called her Hitlers Daughter or Mom for this bill?.....everything said in life is not linked or recorded....im willing to bet if the Gov was a black lady and did something stupid you would have no problems believing the KKK called her a ******,even though no one can verify it with a "link"....

So when that gentleman was called that and spit on, and the righty's were demanding a link to see it.....it wasn't needed after all?

This woman is a liar, who implied/said her father died fighting the nazi regime and I as a vet am disappointed but not surprised by her.

 

[The T]

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

Thank God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

Statist attempt at comedy.

Epic FAIL.