AZ Gov Jan Brewer says her Father died fighting Nazis. Problem? He Didn't

[random3434]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

I don't loathe the military at all. I respect anyone who has the courage to join, and serve honorably. I have said this many times. I have shown through my words and actions here on USMB, that I respect our military for fighting overseas which allows people like myself and you to post on these message boards.

We all know you do. That's why I asked him to show proof of saying that. It's just another defection by a crack pot, he has nothing else but

 

[del]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

 

[Samson]

I think its a far cry between people lying about THEIR military record, and people lying about their father's military record.

Well I'm not saying it's the same thing. I'm saying in 2010, I'm wondering how people think they can get away with not telling the whole truth or even lying when it can be checked in a matter of minutes. Makes no sense to me.

If her father died when she was 11, then she was probably told that he, "Died Fighting Nazis."

When I was about 2, my dad was wounded in Vietnam. I was TOLD this, and have never had any reason to dispute it, or confirm it. So, naturally, I would repeat this to the press, if I was Gov. of Arizona. Then some guy could either confirm my story or not.

If he found out my father had never been to Vietnam, does that make me a liar?

 

[random3434]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

My sensible del.

Thank you.

 

[Dr Grump]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

And it sounds like you got some shrapnel in your melon that needs taking out....

 

[Yurt]

i would bet pesos to dollars that all the libs whining about this defended obama's comment about when he was concieved....selma march....

some hacktactular stuff here

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well, she is a republican.

and you are a stupid ****.

she must be Rdeans and "Truthmatters" love child....

 

[elvis]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

care to point out to us why you think Modbert hates the military? you'll have a rough time convincing anyone who knows him. but hey, take a shot.

 

[Modbert]

If her father died when she was 11, then she was probably told that he, "Died Fighting Nazis."

When I was about 2, my dad was wounded in Vietnam. I was TOLD this, and have never had any reason to dispute it, or confirm it. So, naturally, I would repeat this to the press, if I was Gov. of Arizona. Then some guy could either confirm my story or not.

If he found out my father had never been to Vietnam, does that make me a liar?

Course not, though the question is whether her situation was similar. Like I said way earlier this thread, she definitely misrepresented the facts. Whether she did it intentionally or unintentionally is up to debate.

 

[random3434]

i would bet pesos to dollars that all the libs whining about this defended obama's comment about when he was concieved....selma march....

some hacktactular stuff here

Really? Go find my comments for me Yurt!

Just like all the other claims on here by the right of how I think, I want proof please.

 

[Dr Grump]

I think its a far cry between people lying about THEIR military record, and people lying about their father's military record.

Well I'm not saying it's the same thing. I'm saying in 2010, I'm wondering how people think they can get away with not telling the whole truth or even lying when it can be checked in a matter of minutes. Makes no sense to me.

If her father died when she was 11, then she was probably told that he, "Died Fighting Nazis."

When I was about 2, my dad was wounded in Vietnam. I was TOLD this, and have never had any reason to dispute it, or confirm it. So, naturally, I would repeat this to the press, if I was Gov. of Arizona. Then some guy could either confirm my story or not.

If he found out my father had never been to Vietnam, does that make me a liar?

Bad analogy...if you said your father was wounded fighting in Viet Nam you would be right.

That aside, Mod's analogy is the one that matters. What she was trying for was sympathy to deflect attention away from her...or at least make her look sympathetic.

"My father died fighting against the Nazi's" certainly sounds better than
"My father worked in a factory during WWII that had asbestos, which eventually led to his death 11 years after the war."

 

[Modbert]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

Thanks for a great post that was insightful and was without spiteful remarks. Though not surprised it came from you at this point.

 

[The T]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

I don't loathe the military at all. I respect anyone who has the courage to join, and serve honorably. I have said this many times. I have shown through my words and actions here on USMB, that I respect our military for fighting overseas which allows people like myself and you to post on these message boards.

But YET? You haven't JOINED. WHY? Why NOT?

Because you're a smarmy loud mouth *PUNK* that lets *HIS* words overload *HIS* ASS.

And it's so fuckin' cool to let other FIGHT YOUR BATTLES overseas to keep YOUR ass safe...so YOU can be a MODERATOR...isn't it?

Get OUT of your mother's BASEMENT and Join the Military and DEFEND your country for once? Or in YOUR estimation would YOU lose favour with your Liberal Brothers/Sisters for WEARING the Uniform?

 

[random3434]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

care to point out to us why you think Modbert hates the military? you'll have a rough time convincing anyone who knows him. but hey, take a shot.

I asked Tommy to do that too.


Seems the "right" love to make claims about the "left" that they can't back up.

Yet we are the liars.

 

[Samson]

If her father died when she was 11, then she was probably told that he, "Died Fighting Nazis."

When I was about 2, my dad was wounded in Vietnam. I was TOLD this, and have never had any reason to dispute it, or confirm it. So, naturally, I would repeat this to the press, if I was Gov. of Arizona. Then some guy could either confirm my story or not.

If he found out my father had never been to Vietnam, does that make me a liar?

Course not, though the question is whether her situation was similar. Like I said way earlier this thread, she definitely misrepresented the facts. Whether she did it intentionally or unintentionally is up to debate.

Sure, it is debateable.

However if she had claimed to have been fighting Nazis in Germany, then there would be no debate about whether or not she was lying.

 

[GWV5903]

Signing Arizona immigration law was never a question for governor

She also opened herself up to what she says were unanticipated personal attacks.

"The Nazi comments . . . they are awful," she said, her voice dropping. "Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that . . . and then to have them call me Hitler's daughter. It hurts. It's ugliness beyond anything I've ever experienced."

A sad story indeed, except:

Brewer tells conflicting stories about dad's war effort

Thoughts USMB? Considering the recent events with people lying about their military record, what made Governor Brewer think nobody would check this?

There is not enough space or time to express my thoughts of how desperate you and your kind are when it comes to your attempts to discredit someone when they do the right thing, you have not one ounce of understanding what my parents generation did to protect the future your dumb ass has the privilege of enjoying.....

Her father probably did more by 7 in the morning than you accomplish all day.....

Doggy, your nothing more than a piss ant moderator on a message board.....

 

[random3434]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

I don't loathe the military at all. I respect anyone who has the courage to join, and serve honorably. I have said this many times. I have shown through my words and actions here on USMB, that I respect our military for fighting overseas which allows people like myself and you to post on these message boards.

But YET? You haven't JOINED. WHY? Why NOT?

Because you're a smarmy loud mouth *PUNK* that lets *HIS* words overload *HIS* ASS.

And it's so fuckin' cool to let other FIGHT YOUR BATTLES overseas to keep YOUR ass safe...so YOU can be a MODERATOR...isn't it?

Get OUT of your mother's BASEMENT and Join the Military and DEFEND your country for once? Or in YOUR estimation would YOU lose favour with your Liberal Brothers/Sisters for WEARING the Uniform?

You are on a THIN LINE here Tommy. If I were you I'd back away NOW. This is your only warning you'll get.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I always give myself a little test in these situations. What would the looney right's reaction be if we swapped the Gov's name with that of Obama's and he had said it. Anybody care to guess?

yes i can tell you exactly what would happen Doc.....the positions here would be reversed....all the far leftist would be taking the exact position that all the hard righties are taking here and vise-versa....and all the more moderate folks would be about the same......

 

[Samson]

Well I'm not saying it's the same thing. I'm saying in 2010, I'm wondering how people think they can get away with not telling the whole truth or even lying when it can be checked in a matter of minutes. Makes no sense to me.

If her father died when she was 11, then she was probably told that he, "Died Fighting Nazis."

When I was about 2, my dad was wounded in Vietnam. I was TOLD this, and have never had any reason to dispute it, or confirm it. So, naturally, I would repeat this to the press, if I was Gov. of Arizona. Then some guy could either confirm my story or not.

If he found out my father had never been to Vietnam, does that make me a liar?

Bad analogy...if you said your father was wounded fighting in Viet Nam you would be right.

I would be right?

How do you know? Were you there?

 

[jillian]

I always give myself a little test in these situations. What would the looney right's reaction be if we swapped the Gov's name with that of Obama's and he had said it. Anybody care to guess?

yes i can tell you exactly what would happen Doc.....the positions here would be reversed....all the far leftist would be taking the exact position that all the hard righties are taking here and vise-versa....and all the more moderate folks would be about the same......

really? you saw people defending blumentahal for lying about his military record, H.D.? I know i didn't defend him.