AZ Gov Jan Brewer says her Father died fighting Nazis. Problem? He Didn't

[The T]

And I'm not doubting that she has been called names for it. However, I do question whether she was called Hitler's daughter. I'd be more than willing to go "Hey, that's wrong" if someone showed me somebody said it.

come on Bert....you dont think someone called her Hitlers Daughter or Mom for this bill?.....everything said in life is not linked or recorded....im willing to bet if the Gov was a black lady and did something stupid you would have no problems believing the KKK called her a ******,even though no one can verify it with a "link"....

So when that gentleman was called that and spit on, and the righty's were demanding a link to see it.....it wasn't needed after all?

This woman is a liar, who implied/said her father died fighting the nazi regime and I as a vet am disappointed but not surprised by her.

What the **** are you bantering of?

 

[Modbert]

I am going to assume that the governor did not mean to mislead people, and maybe her father did do something dangerous that most people weren't exposed to in the war effort. But to most people, "fighting Nazis" means something quite different than working in a plant in the United States.

Especially when one says they died fighting the Nazi regime. It was definitely a poor choice of words on her part either way you look at it.

 

[WillowTree]

If you lazy back slapping lying ass fools had bothered to use you google finger instead of calling everyone drunks and morons and liars all the time you could have saved yourselves a little stamped with stupid..



jan brewer is hitler's daughter - Bing






but because she is a Republican Gov. you will continue to call her a liar and "hitler's daughter" it fits your mold.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Fact is *P* Boy? I served right in the thick of it WITH THEM. You have yet to serve. You won't. You Loathe the Military, this Republic like many of the politicians YOU support.

T....Bert has defended the Military in a few threads that i have seen.....i have yet to see him bad mouth them ....even the guys up on charges in Iraq...sorry Dude...

 

[random3434]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

I would not wish her father's fate on anyone, and I feel bad for her and for him.

However, I'm going to disagree.

If you say that one died "fighting the Nazis," it implies that one knowingly and deliberately put oneself in harm's way. If you were to tell someone today that you were "fighting the war in Iraq," people would have a far different impression if you were actually a line assemblyman at a Northrop Grumman plant in California. If someone died on the line during peacetime at Northrop, would we say that the person died fighting some enemy of the US? Probably not.

Now, maybe he knew he was going into an extremely dangerous plant, I don't know. But many, many people worked in dangerous situations in peacetime, including in chemical plants. How is her father's job any different? Couldn't you say that most people who died in on-the-job accidents from 1941 to 1945 died due to "fighting the Nazis" since most industry was re-directed either directly or indirectly for the war effort? Doesn't that diminish the soldiers who put themselves in the line of fire?

Words and context matters. When you say that someone died "fighting the Nazis," it invokes a specific imagery that usually does not preclude working in a plant. Of course, there will be specific instances when this isn't the case, but usually the term "fighting" has a specific context.

In the 1990s, there was a very loud debate over political correctness and what it meant to be sexually harassed. At the time, liberals and feminists were greatly expanding what it meant to be "sexually harassed." I remember reading some stupid thing that said if a guy was out at dinner with a girl and he looked at the waitress as she walked by, he was "sexually harassing" his date. At the time, conservatives stood up against this stupidity as the language was being shaped to conform to a political agenda. Words and their context have meaning.

I am going to assume that the governor did not mean to mislead people, and maybe her father did do something dangerous that most people weren't exposed to in the war effort. But to most people, "fighting Nazis" means something quite different than working in a plant in the United States.

Oh no, TWO SANE POSTS on this thread now.

Maybe I do need a drink after all.

 

[WillowTree]

I am going to assume that the governor did not mean to mislead people, and maybe her father did do something dangerous that most people weren't exposed to in the war effort. But to most people, "fighting Nazis" means something quite different than working in a plant in the United States.

Especially when one says they died fighting the Nazi regime. It was definitely a poor choice of words on her part either way you look at it.

you are such a sucky Dumbass.

 

[del]

Thank, God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

well that explains why i never heard back from NASA.

damn, i was good at it, too.

Did you make fried frog legs when you were done?

i thought you'd never ask...

 

[random3434]

well that explains why i never heard back from NASA.

damn, i was good at it, too.

Did you make fried frog legs when you were done?

i thought you'd never ask...

haahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

One of the classics!

 

[Modbert]

If you lazy back slapping lying ass fools had bothered to use you google finger instead of calling everyone drunks and morons and liars all the time you could have saved yourselves a little stamped with stupid..



jan brewer is hitler's daughter - Bing




but because she is a Republican Gov. you will continue to call her a liar and "hitler's daughter" it fits your mold.

Now see, was that so hard? You could of just done that in the first place.

Calling her Hitler's daughter is wrong.

There, you see? Could of had this interaction a long time ago.

 

[WillowTree]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

I would not wish her father's fate on anyone, and I feel bad for her and for him.

However, I'm going to disagree.

If you say that one died "fighting the Nazis," it implies that one knowingly and deliberately put oneself in harm's way. If you were to tell someone today that you were "fighting the war in Iraq," people would have a far different impression if you were actually a line assemblyman at a Northrop Grumman plant in California. If someone died on the line during peacetime at Northrop, would we say that the person died fighting some enemy of the US? Probably not.

Now, maybe he knew he was going into an extremely dangerous plant, I don't know. But many, many people worked in dangerous situations in peacetime, including in chemical plants. How is her father's job any different? Couldn't you say that most people who died in on-the-job accidents from 1941 to 1945 died due to "fighting the Nazis" since most industry was re-directed either directly or indirectly for the war effort? Doesn't that diminish the soldiers who put themselves in the line of fire?

Words and context matters. When you say that someone died "fighting the Nazis," it invokes a specific imagery that usually does not preclude working in a plant. Of course, there will be specific instances when this isn't the case, but usually the term "fighting" has a specific context.

In the 1990s, there was a very loud debate over political correctness and what it meant to be sexually harassed. At the time, liberals and feminists were greatly expanding what it meant to be "sexually harassed." I remember reading some stupid thing that said if a guy was out at dinner with a girl and he looked at the waitress as she walked by, he was "sexually harassing" his date. At the time, conservatives stood up against this stupidity as the language was being shaped to conform to a political agenda. Words and their context have meaning.

I am going to assume that the governor did not mean to mislead people, and maybe her father did do something dangerous that most people weren't exposed to in the war effort. But to most people, "fighting Nazis" means something quite different than working in a plant in the United States.

Oh no, TWO SANE POSTS on this thread now.

Maybe I do need a drink after all.

no, you need to learn to take your head out of your azz and quit being such a liar. cause unless you were sitting right next to mr. t and counting his drinks and drawing blood for a BA you couldn't possibly know he was drunk which makes you a big fat azzed liar, and then to say I knew it two makes you a 600 pound fat assed liar.

 

[WillowTree]

If you lazy back slapping lying ass fools had bothered to use you google finger instead of calling everyone drunks and morons and liars all the time you could have saved yourselves a little stamped with stupid..



jan brewer is hitler's daughter - Bing




but because she is a Republican Gov. you will continue to call her a liar and "hitler's daughter" it fits your mold.

Now see, was that so hard? You could of just done that in the first place.

Calling her Hitler's daughter is wrong.

There, you see? Could of had this interaction a long time ago.

and you were wrong for calling her a liar you big fat assed liar.

 

[geauxtohell]

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

Thank God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

Statist attempt at comedy.

Epic FAIL.

Well, you are a hard act to follow. Considering you aren't trying to be funny, it just makes it that much more funny.

 

[Modbert]

and you were wrong for calling her a liar you big fat assed liar.

No. I asked for evidence. Evidence was given. I said her being called that was wrong. Simple, no?

 

[geauxtohell]

And this isn't rocket Science...HD.

Thank, God, or you'd be really screwed.

Because, despite your belief to the contrary, "Rocket Science" is not getting drunk and tying bottle rockets to frogs.

well that explains why i never heard back from NASA.

damn, i was good at it, too.

I hear Tommy is hiring.

However, part of the job description requires you to be the sole poster on his board.

Bummer.

 

[The T]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

kinda hard to disagree with a well thought out and objective response. well done

My dad passed away 12 years ago from mesothelioma, which it has been determined he contracted from the asbestos used in the ship's hulls while serving in the Navy during the Korean War. He didn't die in Korea fighting Koreans, but he did die as a result of that war. I agree with you...Governor Brewer definitely didn't phrase it right, but what he was doing was serving his country as a factory worker that provided military staples during WW2.

Regardless, the only reason this story is even out there, is due to a harsh, unnecessary attack by people who, for the most part, haven't even read the bill they are so pissed off about....see Eric Holder's admission here...AG Eric Holder Admits He Hasn't Read Arizona's Immigration Law - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

I made this point earlier. Thanks for revisiting it.

It's Vendetta...and the POINT of this thread.

The Governor's Dad served in his capacity. The premise of the OP?

EPIC FAIL...

 

[del]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

I would not wish her father's fate on anyone, and I feel bad for her and for him.

However, I'm going to disagree.

If you say that one died "fighting the Nazis," it implies that one knowingly and deliberately put oneself in harm's way. If you were to tell someone today that you were "fighting the war in Iraq," people would have a far different impression if you were actually a line assemblyman at a Northrop Grumman plant in California. If someone died on the line during peacetime at Northrop, would we say that the person died fighting some enemy of the US? Probably not.

Now, maybe he knew he was going into an extremely dangerous plant, I don't know. But many, many people worked in dangerous situations in peacetime, including in chemical plants. How is her father's job any different? Couldn't you say that most people who died in on-the-job accidents from 1941 to 1945 died due to "fighting the Nazis" since most industry was re-directed either directly or indirectly for the war effort? Doesn't that diminish the soldiers who put themselves in the line of fire?

Words and context matters. When you say that someone died "fighting the Nazis," it invokes a specific imagery that usually does not preclude working in a plant. Of course, there will be specific instances when this isn't the case, but usually the term "fighting" has a specific context.

In the 1990s, there was a very loud debate over political correctness and what it meant to be sexually harassed. At the time, liberals and feminists were greatly expanding what it meant to be "sexually harassed." I remember reading some stupid thing that said if a guy was out at dinner with a girl and he looked at the waitress as she walked by, he was "sexually harassing" his date. At the time, conservatives stood up against this stupidity as the language was being shaped to conform to a political agenda. Words and their context have meaning.

I am going to assume that the governor did not mean to mislead people, and maybe her father did do something dangerous that most people weren't exposed to in the war effort. But to most people, "fighting Nazis" means something quite different than working in a plant in the United States.

you make reasonable points, and i don't want to quibble, but i guess i'm going to anyway.

her exact words were fighting the nazi regime in germany. to me, that carries a different meaning than "fighting the nazis". having made my quibble public, i see where you're coming from, but i disagree with your conclusion.

i may be reasonabling myself right out of a job here.

 

[WillowTree]

and you were wrong for calling her a liar you big fat assed liar.

No. I asked for evidence. Evidence was given. I said her being called that was wrong. Simple, no?

and not only are you a big fat azzed liar you are a giant jackass to boot.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I always give myself a little test in these situations. What would the looney right's reaction be if we swapped the Gov's name with that of Obama's and he had said it. Anybody care to guess?

yes i can tell you exactly what would happen Doc.....the positions here would be reversed....all the far leftist would be taking the exact position that all the hard righties are taking here and vise-versa....and all the more moderate folks would be about the same......

really? you saw people defending blumentahal for lying about his military record, H.D.? I know i didn't defend him.

Jill my dear....Doc was talking about THIS situation....if Obama was the Gov....and this happened to him....i know....its late were you are at....and besides Jill....i would group you with the moderates i mentioned.....not the fringe.....

 

[Zona]

i think that she phrased it poorly, but didn't lie. from what i can tell, she's consistently told the same story about her dad's work during the war and his death from the effects of chemicals he worked with. she didn't say he died in germany, she said he died fighting the nazi regime in germany. i can see where this could be misinterpreted, but i don't believe she was deliberately *embellishing* her father's service.

it wouldn't have mattered how many men we put into combat if we couldn't have supplied them. as others have noted, people working in factories, farms and elsewhere were also responsible for our victory in ww2. that's why they called it the *war effort*.

robert oppenheimer never carried a rifle into combat, but to say he wasn't part of the fight against the nazis and the japanese is ludicrous. had he died as a result of his work on the manhattan project, one could properly say he died as a result of fighting the nazi regime in germany. the same would hold true for a shipyard worker who died of asbestosis years after the war ended, imo.


as for her being called hitler's daughter, i can only find references here and there to signs at pro-illegal immigration rallies saying this, but given the level of political discourse in this country now, i have no difficulty believing that someone would do this.

y'all are free to disagree of course, but i won't bother defending my position on this- no one will change their mind anyway, especially me.

carry on.

kinda hard to disagree with a well thought out and objective response. well done

My dad passed away 12 years ago from mesothelioma, which it has been determined he contracted from the asbestos used in the ship's hulls while serving in the Navy during the Korean War. He didn't die in Korea fighting Koreans, but he did die as a result of that war. I agree with you...Governor Brewer definitely didn't phrase it right, but what he was doing was serving his country as a factory worker that provided military staples during WW2.

Regardless, the only reason this story is even out there, is due to a harsh, unnecessary attack by people who, for the most part, haven't even read the bill they are so pissed off about....see Eric Holder's admission here...AG Eric Holder Admits He Hasn't Read Arizona's Immigration Law - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

I made this point earlier. Thanks for revisiting it.

It's Vendetta...and the POINT of this thread.

The Governor's Dad served in his capacity. The premise of the OP?

EPIC FAIL...

Then I served in Viet Nam. I was born in 63, but we were still fighting that war. Eventually I ended up joining in 84, but the point is, since I served and was actually alive during Nam, I can say I was there during the North Vietnamese regime?

******* liar supporters make me sick. You know damn well if this was a lefty, you would be all over him for being a liar. Rightfully so by the way.

Here is the difference between you and I. I came down hard on that piece of shit Dem who did something just like this. I could care less if he was a Dem, he is a piece of shit for doing it.

Jen is a piece of shit. Republican or dem. PERIOD. She is a liar.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I always give myself a little test in these situations. What would the looney right's reaction be if we swapped the Gov's name with that of Obama's and he had said it. Anybody care to guess?

yes i can tell you exactly what would happen Doc.....the positions here would be reversed....all the far leftist would be taking the exact position that all the hard righties are taking here and vise-versa....and all the more moderate folks would be about the same......

So you would still be making fun of the left wingers, but not the right wingers, right?

i dont make fun of anyone Ez.....