Average teachers pay vs average pay.

Maybe both teachers, NFL players and politicians should all be paid according to a sliding scale of performance:
  1. The higher the GPA of the classroom, the more the teacher earns.
  2. The more games won per season, going to the Playoffs, etc., the greater the player salary.
  3. Politicians are paid according to the number of good bills they get passed, voted on by taxpayers one year after passage. Bad bills that hurt taxpayers, the politician gets a reduction. For every thing a politician does contrary to what they ran on, a further reduction. Get ten demerits and you are expelled from your job.
 
Maybe both teachers, NFL players and politicians should all be paid according to a sliding scale of performance:
  1. The higher the GPA of the classroom, the more the teacher earns.
Won’t work - the teachers will just grade higher to make more money (on subjective things).

  1. The more games won per season, going to the Playoffs, etc., the greater the player salary.
Yup.

  1. Politicians are paid according to the number of good bills they get passed, voted on by taxpayers one year after passage. Bad bills that hurt taxpayers, the politician gets a reduction. For every thing a politician does contrary to what they ran on, a further reduction. Get ten demerits and you are expelled from your job.
Yup.
 
ALL students attending public school must be provided the opportunity to participate in the ACAP. The
U.S. Department of Education requires that each school, district, and group (students in the aggregate and
each subgroup) have at least a 95% participation rate on assessments.



If they dont teach the tests then Fed can cut funding. My sisters used to complain about teaching the test. Had to prep kids for it and it was the lessin plan
The federal government may require a test for accountability. The state is free to choose one or develop their own. You are incorrect that are required to take a specific test.

Standby: Education incoming!

Those tests are standards based. That means that the questions asked will reflect if the students have achieved those standards. If you teach the standards, you are teaching to the test, because that is what the test assesses. If you don't teach the standards, the kids won't be able to answer the questions on the test.

Now you can rely on your crappy Google skills or what people have told you, or you could take my word for it, as a teacher, administrator, and test administrator and school-wide coordinator for all standardized tests including the ACT which we gave students on the weekends. It is your choice to remain ignorant or educate yourself.
 
The federal government sets the standards.

What I know is that education has taken a nose-dive since the establishment of the Department of Education. We don’t need them at all.
Bullshit. Stop repeating a lie.

Education has taken a nosedive because no we educate all students, which before the Education Department existed. If you want to do away with it, go right ahead. But don't use a false narrative to justify it.
 
Profile of a male teacher/coach.

Teacher/coach's class is an easy A.
Teacher/coaches tell a lot of stories in lieu of classwork
Tests are multiple choice or otherwise easy to grade
Lessons are organized, with minimum of work by the teacher/coach
Coaching is the reason he is there. Teaching classes is a necessary evil.
Lots of videos where possible. Often of his team's games.
The better students can be excused from coursework in order to perform tasks or errands for the teacher/coach.
Teacher/coach usually drives a sporty car.
Teacher/coach often uses nicknames for students; gently teases the girl students.
Teacher/coach moves fast, talks fast, still fancies himself as a high school jock.
Teacher/coach married or dates someone much younger, often a past student.

I had a number of teacher/coaches who fit most of these, but I had one who fit all of them. He was 35 at the time and was dating a senior. They were often spotted walking in the halls together. Today, it would obviously not be tolerated, but this the was mid 1970s, a time where anything went. I remember thinking it was unusual, but no big deal. It never occurred to me they were doing anything. Back then, I thought people didn't do stuff until they were married.
 
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Won’t work - the teachers will just grade higher to make more money (on subjective things).

Make the tests passive so that the teacher has no say nor influence in what grade they get.
 
States are totally unwilling to impose objective standards on new (and existing) teachers because any meaningful standards would result in...no more teachers, or at best, almost no POC's teaching.

People who major in "education" (not actually a subject) routinely are shown to have the lowest incoming SAT scores of any major. In the states where they have tried competency tests for teachers, they invariably fail because Black and "Hispanic" teachers basically all fail the tests, so they have to be recalibrated into nothingness.

In a perfect world, teachers would have to demonstrate competency both in their subject area and in elements of teaching, and they would be paid handsomely. In a perfect world, there would be no shortage of science and math teachers because people with quantitative degrees could transfer into teaching for a period without the bullshit of having to waste a year studying "education" and student teaching, or start at the bottom of the pay scale.

In this as in many other things, the biggest obstacle to real reform is the teacher's union(s).

I have worked with companies headquartered in Germany, Austria, and other rational countries, and they have professional unions, in which the union works with the employers to maximize productivity and compensation. This model puts to shame the adversarial situation in the U.S. where the teachers' unions act like LABOR unions, fighting for the worst of their employers and screwing the taxpayers who pay their salary.
In the US, teacher's unions are labor unions and are severely restricted upon their ability to strike for better pay and working conditions. They were never intended to impact student education. In the old days, if the principal didn't get any from his wife the night before and she was constantly nagging him, and you did something minor to piss him off, you were out the front door in a matter of minutes. Female teachers would get fired if they became pregnant, got married and all sorts of Moral turpitude violations. Unions fixed that by requiring due process.

Personal anecdote: I had a principal try to fire me for insubordination for not having seating charts in my sub plans. The problem was they were there all along. He was just too stupid to recognize a seating chart with the students' photos that originated in our student information management system. Having been an assistant principal before, I knew that information system better than anyone in the building as I had implemented a similar system in Florida. I was called to a meeting with my union representative where I proceeded to embarrass his dumb ass, showing he didn't know his own system. He then proceeded to not renew my contract because he was pissed about that and other incidents where he overreacted. Best thing that ever happened to me because I moved to a rural district and stayed there 3 years. The district there did not grant me tenure because I cost 1 1/2 times the salary of a new teacher. Schools have every tool in the world to rid themselves of teachers they don't want. Unfortunately, that never gets advertised in the media, but every teacher knows it.
 
Profile of a male teacher/coach.

Teacher/coach's class is an easy A.
Teacher/coaches tell a lot of stories in lieu of classwork
Tests are multiple choice or otherwise easy to grade
Lessons are organized, with minimum of work by the teacher/coach
Coaching is the reason he is there. Teaching classes is a necessary evil.
Lots of videos where possible. Often of his team's games.
The better students can be excused from coursework in order to perform tasks or errands for the teacher/coach.
Teacher/coach usually drives a sporty car.
Teacher/coach often uses nicknames for students; gently teases the girl students.
Teacher/coach moves fast, talks fast, still fancies himself as a high school jock.
Teacher/coach married or dates someone much younger, often a past student.
Nice piece of fiction. That's about all that needs to be said about that.
 
They will not get the salaries and benefits of those formally employed nor any other administrative costs. That is the savings.
Sounds good. A savings of $3 billion by not paying for unnecessary govt employees, PLUS the amount we get from selling the building.
 
I was there. I saw it more than once.
You were a student many years ago, correct? How would a teacher do that with unannounced observations? You never know when an administrator would walk into your classroom. When I was an AP, I had 16 teachers I supervised directly. I was in their classrooms at least one a day, and sometimes more. They never knew when. All of my teachers were located in two 8-classroom pods, just down the hall from my office, which was really convenient.
 
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Maybe both teachers, NFL players and politicians should all be paid according to a sliding scale of performance:
  1. The higher the GPA of the classroom, the more the teacher earns.

If a teacher turns an F student into a C student isn’t that better than turning a B student into an A student?
 
You were a student many years ago, correct? How would a teacher do that with unannounced observations? You never know when an administrator would walk into your classroom. When I was an AP, I had 16 teachers I supervised directly. I was in their classrooms at least one a day, and sometimes more. They never knew when. All of my teachers were located in two 8-classroom pods, just down the hall from my office, which was really convenient.
I was a student 50 years ago in a small town. Everybody understood why teacher/coaches were there. The principal was an ex-coach himself. It was a go-along to get-along situation. Very much an old-boys club. I don't ever remember an administrator going in and evaluating.
 
You sure are a nasty old guy. I find it hard to believe you taught school. Were you one of the ones in the teacher's lounge always bitching about the kids?
We had no teacher's lounge at most of my schools, and it was located next to the principal's office if we did. I was a former Navy officer and was admired for my military bearing. They sent me all of the problem children because they knew I didn't play. In fact, my other male counterpart as assistant principal, was a former Army Ranger. In a military town, we got the most respect. My son and daughter-in-law's Language Arts teacher was a Reserve Special Forces Major. He influenced both to join the Army.

See! You don't know shit, about me or schools in general.
 
I was a student 50 years ago in a small town. Everybody understood why teacher/coaches were there. The principal was an ex-coach himself. It was a go-along to get-along situation. Very much an old-boys club.
50 years ago, Methusaleh? That's out as outdated you are! I went to school in the 60s and 70s. I taught from 1996-2018. All of my kids attended school in that period. There is no comparison.

My high school's basketball coach played for Notre Dame. One of my high school where I taught, had a football coach in the late 90s who played for my alma mater, and I saw him play football in college. He taught math, just like I did. He later moved to a powerhouse school in Goergia and won several state championships.
 
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