Australian man, with a gun, kills son over burned eggs...they banned and confiscated guns....

[ptbw forever]

Yep....we are told this doesn't happen in Australia......a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Father shot and killed son in an argument over a burnt omelette

TWENTY minutes after an argument with his son about a burnt omelette, Peter John Smith assembled his shotgun, walked calmly inside and fired two fatal rounds into his son’s chest.

Andrew Smith was 30 years old, a father of two little boys and several weeks into his latest attempt at getting off drugs.

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

The U.S.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

There are seriously drive-by shootings in Australia?.......

 

[2aguy]

Semi-auto rifles and shotguns are banned, as are all handguns except for a few for target shooting at police controlled ranges.....

Domestic abuse survivor:

Officer, I would like to buy a gun, my ex-husband told me when he gets out of jail he is going to rape me, gut me like a pig and murder me.....

Officer: Sorry miss, rape, being gutted like a pig, and being murdered is not a genuine reason for gun ownership...but if he does rape, gut, and murder you, you can be sure we will catch him and put him back in prison....

This is fun, isn't it?

Semi-auto rifles and shotguns are allowed to the general public with a magazine limit of five shots for hunting.
Pistols are allowed for farmers and for members of shooting clubs.

For your information...because you're obviously incapable of research or independent thought...here is the list of prohibited firearms.

a machine gun, or ammunition for it

a hand grenade

a mortar gun, or ammunition for it

a bazooka gun, or ammunition for it

a fully automatic firearm

a firearm designed to discharge tear gas, or ammunition for it

a “forward venting” blank firing imitation firearm

ammunition the missile from which includes any high explosive, smoke, chemical, lachrymatory agent, or flechettes

tracer ammunition

incendiary ammunition

armour piercing (hard steel core) ammunition

imprint free (accelerator) ammunition

frangible ammunition

ammunition the missile from which has a calibre of 20 mm or more

Wrong.... they are only allowed for genuine reasons and those only include varmint control....anything else they are banned.....

Rape and murder are not genuine reasons to own a gun.... putting holes in a piece of paper as a member of a police controlled shooting club is a genuine reason to be allowed to own a target pistol....

You first said guns are banned in Australia.
Now you've just confirmed they aren't.
We're done at last.

Guns are banned in Australia.... you cannot own a gun for self defense... they are banned.

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
You cannot own a gun for the purpose of self defence in Australia.
Guns aren't banned in Australia.

Yes...semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, pump action shotguns and handguns are banned...

 

[2aguy]

Yep....we are told this doesn't happen in Australia......a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Father shot and killed son in an argument over a burnt omelette

TWENTY minutes after an argument with his son about a burnt omelette, Peter John Smith assembled his shotgun, walked calmly inside and fired two fatal rounds into his son’s chest.

Andrew Smith was 30 years old, a father of two little boys and several weeks into his latest attempt at getting off drugs.

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

The U.S.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

There are seriously drive-by shootings in Australia?.......

Yes....and there are drive by shootings in Britain as well...they just like to use Mopeds in Britain....kinda dorky...

 

[2aguy]

Yep....we are told this doesn't happen in Australia......a man murdered his son with a gun in an island nation that banned and confiscated guns...

Father shot and killed son in an argument over a burnt omelette

TWENTY minutes after an argument with his son about a burnt omelette, Peter John Smith assembled his shotgun, walked calmly inside and fired two fatal rounds into his son’s chest.

Andrew Smith was 30 years old, a father of two little boys and several weeks into his latest attempt at getting off drugs.

They bought back guns decades ago and people have since bought so many guns that they're back to pre-buy back numbers. So nobody should be surprised gun crime is going up.

Wrong... law abiding people in Australia are not using guns for crime. Gun crime in Australia is going up among the criminal gangs in Australia, not the law abiding Australians..... gun control is not working in Australia.

Law abiding people everywhere aren't using guns for crime. It's when you make it increasingly easier for non-law abiding people to get guns that you have a problem. That's the case in Australia right now.

The U.S.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

There are seriously drive-by shootings in Australia?.......

Yep....

Hail of bullets fired in drive-by shooting

A HOUSE was showered with bullets in a drive-by shooting in Adelaide’s northern suburbs.

Police rushed to a Carbone Drive, Munno Para West house after receiving reports that shots had been fired at the property about 9.20pm on Friday.

One witness, who wished to remain anonymous, said he heard about 16 shots fired.

“The wife and I literally had just walked into our bedroom and heard the shots (and) we dropped (to the ground) straight away until they ceased firing,” he said.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/police-investigate-drive-by-shooting-gosnells-ng-b88839124z

Police are hunting a gunman who opened fire on a home in Gosnells in an early morning drive-by shooting yesterday morning.

A dozen shots were fired from a Holden Commodore at the house on Harry Street at 5am, causing damage to the property.

'Atrocious crime': Girl, 13, in intensive care after targeted drive-by Sydney shooting

A 13-year-old girl is lucky to be alive after getting caught in the line of fire while talking to a group of friends inside a garage in Sydney's west.

The teenager was shot in the leg in what police believe was a targeted drive-by attack on a home on Constance St in Guildford on Tuesday night.

WA police fearful of bikie gang war after drive-by shooting

Police are stepping up their hunt for a gunman amid fears of an escalating bikie gang war in Perth.

A 52-year-old man was last night shot in the stomach at close range in a drive-by shooting in Callista in Perth's south.

Police said the victim, who is an associate of the Rebels bikies, had just left a function at the headquarters of the Southern Independent Motorcycle club, which feeds into the Rebels.


No need to prove who pulled trigger in Victoria's proposed drive-by shooting laws

New legislation to combat drive-by shootings will be introduced to the Victorian Parliament allowing police to charge all occupants of a vehicle involved in a shooting, rather than having to prove who pulled the trigger.

Key points:

• Under proposed laws, sentences will be increased for recklessly shooting at buildings or vehicles
• Police will no longer have to prove intent to cause harm or injury
• All occupants of car can be charged with criminal activity

Under the proposed legislation, sentences will also be increased for recklessly shooting at a building or vehicle.

 

[idb]

This is fun, isn't it?

Semi-auto rifles and shotguns are allowed to the general public with a magazine limit of five shots for hunting.
Pistols are allowed for farmers and for members of shooting clubs.

For your information...because you're obviously incapable of research or independent thought...here is the list of prohibited firearms.

a machine gun, or ammunition for it

a hand grenade

a mortar gun, or ammunition for it

a bazooka gun, or ammunition for it

a fully automatic firearm

a firearm designed to discharge tear gas, or ammunition for it

a “forward venting” blank firing imitation firearm

ammunition the missile from which includes any high explosive, smoke, chemical, lachrymatory agent, or flechettes

tracer ammunition

incendiary ammunition

armour piercing (hard steel core) ammunition

imprint free (accelerator) ammunition

frangible ammunition

ammunition the missile from which has a calibre of 20 mm or more

Wrong.... they are only allowed for genuine reasons and those only include varmint control....anything else they are banned.....

Rape and murder are not genuine reasons to own a gun.... putting holes in a piece of paper as a member of a police controlled shooting club is a genuine reason to be allowed to own a target pistol....

You first said guns are banned in Australia.
Now you've just confirmed they aren't.
We're done at last.

Guns are banned in Australia.... you cannot own a gun for self defense... they are banned.

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
You cannot own a gun for the purpose of self defence in Australia.
Guns aren't banned in Australia.

Yes...semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, pump action shotguns and handguns are banned...

It's odd that the legislation says something completely different.
Can you quote the section that bans them?

 

[2aguy]

Wrong.... they are only allowed for genuine reasons and those only include varmint control....anything else they are banned.....

Rape and murder are not genuine reasons to own a gun.... putting holes in a piece of paper as a member of a police controlled shooting club is a genuine reason to be allowed to own a target pistol....

You first said guns are banned in Australia.
Now you've just confirmed they aren't.
We're done at last.

Guns are banned in Australia.... you cannot own a gun for self defense... they are banned.

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
You cannot own a gun for the purpose of self defence in Australia.
Guns aren't banned in Australia.

Yes...semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, pump action shotguns and handguns are banned...

It's odd that the legislation says something completely different.
Can you quote the section that bans them?

I did......