Australian man, with a gun, kills son over burned eggs...they banned and confiscated guns....

[2aguy]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

 

[2aguy]

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

In 2015, we had the shooting of a young criminal in Ferguson, Missouri, the President...obama, and black lives matter used that justified shooting of a violent criminal to attack our nations police forces around the country, which led to the Ferguson Effect, where local police departments, especially in large, democrat party controlled cities, stopped Pro-Active police work, responding only to 911 calls...that led to an increase in gun murder as the gangs realized they now had free reign in those cities.

That has ended...our gun murder rate has started to go back down...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And now, the Ferguson Effect is going down....as did our gun murder rate...

Chicago Murders: Crime Wave Is Not Nationwide, However | National Review


Whatever the case with Chicago, the national trends are encouraging. Look, for instance, at the ten biggest U.S. cities. We now have homicide figures for the first half of 2018 (via the FBI, police departments, and local media coverage) and can compare these with data from the same time period in the last eight years. We had crime spikes in 2012, 2016, and 2017. But 2018, at least so far, looks good. The ten-city total is down by 6 percent relative to last year. Not standing-ovation territory, but certainly the right direction.


Another indicator is the trend in the cities red-flagged by criminologist Richard Rosenfeld when crime first rose between 2014 and 2015. Rosenfeld found that these ten cities alone accounted for nearly two-thirds of the increase in homicides nationwide.


As you can see, in 2018 crime dropped in eight of ten of these red-flag cities, and cumulatively the decline was 14 percent.

What about the Big Apple? Regardless of scary reports that citywide shootings were up 16 percent in July, and that Bronx murders had risen by almost one-third, the long-term picture still looks good. There’s been an increase since last year — but last year was an unusually safe one.


When crime first shot up in 2015 and 2016, I pointed out that there’s a big difference between a crime spike, which may last a few years, and a crime boom, such as the one this country suffered from the late 1960s to the early 1990s. I’m sticking to my story.

You are a JOKE, and a MORONIC ONE AT THAT...You are a COMPULSIVE LIAR

Yep...actual research that shows you don't know what you are talking about....and you have no reply....

Hollow words from a STRAW MAN...U R A YAWN...………..Full Stop,go Bull Shit somewhere else Idiot

Yep.... you have nothing. You have emotion, and rage...... that doesn't prove your side of the argument....

 

[theliq]

They have more guns now than when the buyback happened. It's really stupid of you to claim otherwise.

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------

However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========

2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------

6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

Amusing you use discredited information,but there is nothing amusing about American GUN DEATH RATES....SAY NO TO GUNS

We had 10,982 gun murders in 2017...according to the FBI. Cars killed 38,748 people in 2016.......

70-80% of the victims in those gun murders were criminals, not innocent people. Of the remaining victims, many of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire.

Our gun crime is limited to tiny areas of our major cities controlled by the democrat party..

ON the other side of the ledger, according to the CDC, Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from comitting rape, robbery and murder...or if you prefer the Department of Justice number, 1.5 million times a year.

As more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rates went down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

R U B B I S H...like you R

 

[2aguy]

They can't....they banned and confiscated guns, the thing you asshats told us would end gun crime.....and now their criminals are using guns more and more, on a freaking island......

They banned and confiscated guns...and their gun control isn't working to stop gun crime.

We have more Americans who own and carry guns, and our gun crime rates are plummetting.......

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------

However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========

2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------

6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

Amusing you use discredited information,but there is nothing amusing about American GUN DEATH RATES....SAY NO TO GUNS

We had 10,982 gun murders in 2017...according to the FBI. Cars killed 38,748 people in 2016.......

70-80% of the victims in those gun murders were criminals, not innocent people. Of the remaining victims, many of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire.

Our gun crime is limited to tiny areas of our major cities controlled by the democrat party..

ON the other side of the ledger, according to the CDC, Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from comitting rape, robbery and murder...or if you prefer the Department of Justice number, 1.5 million times a year.

As more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rates went down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

R U B B I S H...like you R

Still nothing.......you can try again if you want.... emotion and rage is no way to make a case...

 

[theliq]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

 

[idb]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

Wrong...guns are not banned.
Try the Google machine again.

 

[theliq]

Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT

A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths

So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there

Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"

Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show

and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...

Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.

One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.

Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......

And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...

And here..some actual truth..

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

=======

2007 report..

http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------

However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========

2008 report...


http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------

6. Conclusion

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.

Amusing you use discredited information,but there is nothing amusing about American GUN DEATH RATES....SAY NO TO GUNS

We had 10,982 gun murders in 2017...according to the FBI. Cars killed 38,748 people in 2016.......

70-80% of the victims in those gun murders were criminals, not innocent people. Of the remaining victims, many of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire.

Our gun crime is limited to tiny areas of our major cities controlled by the democrat party..

ON the other side of the ledger, according to the CDC, Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from comitting rape, robbery and murder...or if you prefer the Department of Justice number, 1.5 million times a year.

As more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rates went down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

R U B B I S H...like you R

Still nothing.......you can try again if you want.... emotion and rage is no way to make a case...

I gave you a couple of sites...there is no emotion other than viewing someone in Emotional and Mental Break Down...YOU,Rage and Emotion on my part is just not relevant but I feel sadness for you...If you have Fire Arms lock them away and throw the keys in the drain...is my best advice to you

 

[2aguy]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

 

[idb]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

 

[2aguy]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

 

[idb]

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
Therefore the entire premise of the OP is wrong.

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....gun were confiscated and banned.....that Australians didn't turn them in shows that Australian gun control laws didn't work......and since gun crime in Australia is on the rise, criminals didn't pay attention to Australian gun control laws either....

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

 

[idb]

You go round and around and end up in the same place Idiot

Anyhow certain people were and are allowed Guns,so idb is correct...you know not the minute nor the hour

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....guns were banned and confiscated.....Australians either refused to turn them in, becoming criminals for a once legal act, or the actual criminals simply imported their guns.....

Either way, Australian gun control did not work...criminals still have illegal guns which they use to commit crimes.

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

 

[idb]

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
You don't have to be in a shooting group to own one.
You're simply wrong...give it up.

 

[theliq]

Guns are not banned in Australia.
If you can't make your point without lying then you have no point to make.

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

No one needs a GUN for protection because 99.9% of the population don't carry a GUN

Your attempt to derail this conversation by claiming Criminals have Guns,well that has always been the case but so rarely do they mix with the general population as to not be relevant,we know Bikie Gangs have them but they spend their time in turf wars against OTHER BIKIES AS CLEARLY SHEWN our Gun Deaths have been dropping like a stone in clear water...Anyhow you have no ground to lecture us because we changed,shame you can't...let face it,you are a Failure,a complete failure in your draconian Gun Policy...Your minds never elevated from a different Epoch,ours did and we are the better for it,see you around LOSER

 

[2aguy]

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
You don't have to be in a shooting group to own one.
You're simply wrong...give it up.

Tell us how a woman can get a hand gun for self defense in Australia......she can't...self defense is not a genuine reason for owning a gun.......a homeowner can't get a pump action shotgun for home defense, since self defense is not a genuine reason to own a gun in Australia...

Guns for normal people are banned..... criminals get them easily.

 

[2aguy]

You can buy a semi automatic rifle in Australia? How about a semi automatic handgun? Or any handgun?

Guns are essentially banned for the citizens of Australia....to say otherwise is wrong.

You are an idiot.

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

No one needs a GUN for protection because 99.9% of the population don't carry a GUN

Your attempt to derail this conversation by claiming Criminals have Guns,well that has always been the case but so rarely do they mix with the general population as to not be relevant,we know Bikie Gangs have them but they spend their time in turf wars against OTHER BIKIES AS CLEARLY SHEWN our Gun Deaths have been dropping like a stone in clear water...Anyhow you have no ground to lecture us because we changed,shame you can't...let face it,you are a Failure,a complete failure in your draconian Gun Policy...Your minds never elevated from a different Epoch,ours did and we are the better for it,see you around LOSER

You have almost had about a dozen mass public shootings since the ban and confiscation.... luck and bad shooting kept these public shootings from becoming mass public shootings and your luck won't hold forever.

Tell the woman raped at knife point or at gun point that she didn't need a gun.....

What is the thought process among you anti gunners that seems to think that crime does not happen......

 

[idb]

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

Guns aren't banned in Australia.
You don't have to be in a shooting group to own one.
You're simply wrong...give it up.

Tell us how a woman can get a hand gun for self defense in Australia......she can't...self defense is not a genuine reason for owning a gun.......a homeowner can't get a pump action shotgun for home defense, since self defense is not a genuine reason to own a gun in Australia...

Guns for normal people are banned..... criminals get them easily.

FFS!
Give it up!
Guns are not banned in Australia!

You can't buy them in a KMart like the US.
You can't give them away as raffle prizes for the local pre-school.
You have to apply for a permit, demonstrate that you can store it safely, have a purpose for owning a gun not including self-defence.
But you can still get a gun...they are not banned.

 

[idb]

Some types of firearm are harder to obtain and have extra licensing requirements.
Just like the US.
Are you lying or just stupid?
Try doing some research beyond your NRA literature.

You are a moron..... They have been banned for normal Australians....but criminals can get them easily. Are you this stupid in real life or only when you post.

Here....you dumb shit.....law abiding Australians are banned from owning just about all category of firearm..... and yet criminals get them easily....showing that gun control laws do not stop criminals from getting guns even on a big island...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

• a federal ban on the importation of “all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control of the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.” The sale, resale, transfer, ownership, manufacture, and use of such firearms would also be banned by the states and territories, other than in exceptional circumstances (relating to military or law enforcement purposes and occupational categories, depending on the category of the firearm);23]
• standard categories of firearms, including the two largely prohibited categories (C and D), which include certain semiautomatic and self-loading rifles and shotguns, and a restricted category for handguns (category H);24]
• a requirement for a separate permit for the acquisition of every firearm, with a twenty-eight-day waiting period applying to the issuing of such permits,25] and the establishment of a nationwide firearms registration system;26]
• a uniform requirement for all firearms sales to be conducted only by or through licensed firearms dealers, and certain minimum principles that would underpin rules relating to the recording of firearms transactions by dealers and right of inspection by police;27]
• restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed;28]
• ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm under the laws of the states and territories;29]
• standardized classifications to define a “genuine reason” that an applicant must show for owning, possessing, or using a firearm, including reasons relating to sport shooting, recreational shooting/hunting, collecting, and occupational requirements (additional requirements of showing a genuine need for the particular type of firearm and securing related approvals would be added for firearms in categories B, C, D, and H);30]
• in addition to the demonstration of a “genuine reason,” other basic requirements would apply for the issuing of firearms licenses, specifically that the applicant must be aged eighteen years or over, be a “fit and proper person,” be able to prove his or her identity, and undertake adequate safety training31] (safety training courses would be subject to accreditation and be “comprehensive and standardised across Australia for all licence categories”);32]
• firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address, be issued after a waiting period of not less than twenty-eight days, be issued for a period of no more than five years, and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities;33]
• licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities;34]
• minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm”;35] and
• the establishment of uniform standards for the security and storage of firearms, including a requirement that ammunition be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms. The minimum standards for category C, D, and H firearms would include “storage in a locked, steel safe with a thickness to ensure it is not easily penetrable, bolted to the structure of a building.”36]

Excellent, thanks.
Now...please show me where it says that firearms are banned in Australia...you know just to save me reading it all.

It seems to me that you can apply for a permit to own a firearm and, assuming that you meet all the requirements you can buy your gun.
Some types of firearm have more stringent requirements than others, it's true, but fireams aren't banned as I assume that you've now realised.

If you can't own a gun for self defense, and can only have a gun as a member of a shooting team, guns are banned. And no, "stringent" requirements are not access to guns when you can't buy a hand gun, and you can only get a non-semi automatic shotgun with permission from the government...

They were banned and confiscated by the Australian government and getting one as an average citizen for self defense is impossible.....so yes, guns are banned in Australia....

Making the laws so extreme that a woman can't buy a hand gun for self defense is a ban....sorry, you are just wrong.

And criminals get the guns they want no matter what hoops normal people have to jump through...they don't jump through those hoops...

No one needs a GUN for protection because 99.9% of the population don't carry a GUN

Your attempt to derail this conversation by claiming Criminals have Guns,well that has always been the case but so rarely do they mix with the general population as to not be relevant,we know Bikie Gangs have them but they spend their time in turf wars against OTHER BIKIES AS CLEARLY SHEWN our Gun Deaths have been dropping like a stone in clear water...Anyhow you have no ground to lecture us because we changed,shame you can't...let face it,you are a Failure,a complete failure in your draconian Gun Policy...Your minds never elevated from a different Epoch,ours did and we are the better for it,see you around LOSER

You have almost had about a dozen mass public shootings since the ban and confiscation.... luck and bad shooting kept these public shootings from becoming mass public shootings and your luck won't hold forever.

Tell the woman raped at knife point or at gun point that she didn't need a gun.....

What is the thought process among you anti gunners that seems to think that crime does not happen......

I don't see Australians clamouring to get handguns so that thay can go down the shop to get a bottle of milk.