Wry Catcher
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You have always, in my experience, ended every discussion with this: "Shall not be infringed"!
Australian man, with a gun, kills son over burned eggs...they banned and confiscated guns....
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You have always, in my experience, ended every discussion with this: "Shall not be infringed"!
Skull Pilot
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If you insist on telling me what I say then at least use the ******* quote function so it doesn't look like yo're making shit up
theliq
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Apart from being a LIAR,YOU R TOTALLY MISGUIDED...Last Year America had 38,000+ Gun Homicides up from the previous(so much for your erroneous and ignorant SPEW) moreover you had over 85,000 Gun maimings and injuries last year.Australia had much less than at the time of Arthur Massacre,YOU LYING SLUT
A few sites for the more intelligent Americans to view...Australia – Total Number of Gun Deaths
So the Gun Ban is working well...to the Moron Liars out there
Now so much to your claim that with all your Gun Ownership,you claim Gun Deaths in the US are falling...You are as we say here in Australia "Full of SHIT"
Last year your Gun Homicides rose yet again to 38,000+with over 85,000 maimings and injuries UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR...another site for you to ingest you Morons
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show
and more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countri...
Of course Australia has proved that with NO GUNS,GUN DEATHS FALL DRAMATICALLY and you must also consider that our population has risen 35%+ since Port Arthur.
One thing we did early on was tell the NRA to Fcuc Off out of our country and they are BANNED from re-entering Paradise...Thank God.
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Yet Australian civilians possess firearms at a rate of 14.7/100 people. Australia – Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
A simple fact raving loonies can not process.
How can that be when around 14.7% legally possess firearms? Oh. Raving loony. Fair enough.
2aguy
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Since you continue the anti gun lie by mixing gun suicides with gun murder, you are the dishonest one, not me. The Gun Violence Archive is an anti gun, extremist site, that lies in their statistics.......
And you also have to cling to the "gun murder" misdirection since Australia always had a low murder rate, but their gun crime has been going up, after the ban, mostly driven by imported immigrant drug gang activity...
And here..some actual truth..
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
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2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
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However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
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2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
2aguy
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In 2015, we had the shooting of a young criminal in Ferguson, Missouri, the President...obama, and black lives matter used that justified shooting of a violent criminal to attack our nations police forces around the country, which led to the Ferguson Effect, where local police departments, especially in large, democrat party controlled cities, stopped Pro-Active police work, responding only to 911 calls...that led to an increase in gun murder as the gangs realized they now had free reign in those cities.
That has ended...our gun murder rate has started to go back down...
Hard Data, Hollow Protests
The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.
Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.
Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.
Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
And now, the Ferguson Effect is going down....as did our gun murder rate...
Chicago Murders: Crime Wave Is Not Nationwide, However | National Review
Whatever the case with Chicago, the national trends are encouraging. Look, for instance, at the ten biggest U.S. cities. We now have homicide figures for the first half of 2018 (via the FBI, police departments, and local media coverage) and can compare these with data from the same time period in the last eight years. We had crime spikes in 2012, 2016, and 2017. But 2018, at least so far, looks good. The ten-city total is down by 6 percent relative to last year. Not standing-ovation territory, but certainly the right direction.
Another indicator is the trend in the cities red-flagged by criminologist Richard Rosenfeld when crime first rose between 2014 and 2015. Rosenfeld found that these ten cities alone accounted for nearly two-thirds of the increase in homicides nationwide.
As you can see, in 2018 crime dropped in eight of ten of these red-flag cities, and cumulatively the decline was 14 percent.
What about the Big Apple? Regardless of scary reports that citywide shootings were up 16 percent in July, and that Bronx murders had risen by almost one-third, the long-term picture still looks good. There’s been an increase since last year — but last year was an unusually safe one.
When crime first shot up in 2015 and 2016, I pointed out that there’s a big difference between a crime spike, which may last a few years, and a crime boom, such as the one this country suffered from the late 1960s to the early 1990s. I’m sticking to my story.
2aguy
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We had 10,982 gun murders in 2017...according to the FBI. Cars killed 38,748 people in 2016.......
70-80% of the victims in those gun murders were criminals, not innocent people. Of the remaining victims, many of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire.
Our gun crime is limited to tiny areas of our major cities controlled by the democrat party..
ON the other side of the ledger, according to the CDC, Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals from comitting rape, robbery and murder...or if you prefer the Department of Justice number, 1.5 million times a year.
As more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rates went down, not up...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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