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Atmospheric science again shows climate hysteria unfounded. We're supposed to wreck the world over this?

johngaltshrugged

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I truly feel sorry for anybody who believes the "man-made climate change/global warming" BS. You were either indoctrinated so early in life that you had no true frame of reference or you've bought this BS from way back.
I remember when they called it the coming new ice age. Sounded alarming at first but that fizzled out quickly once the sun started doing it's thing & temps started rising again.
So they switched over to global warming because it had warmed slightly from almost ice age conditions. I was getting skeptical to say the least, so I started questioning the narrative.
Well, global warming morphed to climate change before long as temps didn't rise fast enough to keep up with the predicted disasters.
Climate change is great & what they should have gone with from the beginning. Hot or cold, wet or dry, calm or storm, everything could be twisted to fit whatever they thought the public would buy.
Now atmospheric temperature measurements, or real science as I call it, once again shows there is no rise in temps, at least for the past 20+ years & what there was before that was minimal.
True scientists admit the Earth's atmosphere & the climate it produces is far too complex with still unknown variables for their minimal knowledge & data points to say anything but "we don't know".
True science does not need paid hacks changing or omitting actual data to fit a preferred narrative.
This whole thing is about control & I truly feel bad for those who still don't realize this yet.
Further scientific evidence that global warming starting to run out of steam over two decades ago has been presented by an international group of leading scientists. In a major re-evaluation of data from meteorology balloons rising through the troposphere, the scientists confirmed that temperatures have mostly paused since around 1998.
Humlum notes that the changes in annual values are often quite substantial, ranging from about +0.15°C to −0.15°C. He goes on to note that the temperature difference between 1915 and 2000 increased from 0.45°C to 0.67°C. “This represents an increase of about 49% over this period, meaning that about half of the apparent global temperature increase from January 1910 to January 2000 is due to administrative adjustments to the original data made since May 2008,” he writes.
 

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The magnetic field of the planet has more to do with the climate than CO2.
 

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Nowadays when it cost you $100 to fill up your vehicle you can blame the Environmental Wackos that believe in this silly ass AGW scam.

They managed to get their nutcase into the White house and it is destroying our economy, for nothing.
 

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I truly feel sorry for anybody who believes the "man-made climate change/global warming" BS. You were either indoctrinated so early in life that you had no true frame of reference or you've bought this BS from way back.

So you believe all the world's climate scientists accept AGW only because they were indoctrinated early in life (BtW, the two options you give are equivalent). So... who indoctrinated them? How did they get to them all early in life? Were they able to somehow identify everyone who was going to end up being a climate scientist when they were young enough to brainwash? Seeing any problems with your contention yet? You should be.

I remember when they called it the coming new ice age.

What you remember is some news and entertainment magazines blowing up statements from non-scientists or scientists opining out of their field. There was never any widespread concern among scientists that an ice age was imminent. If you think so, show us some peer reviewed studies coming to such conclusions.

Sounded alarming at first but that fizzled out quickly once the sun started doing it's thing & temps started rising again.

But the total solar irradiance trend never put out enough energy to produce the observed warming. Minor problem there.

So they switched over to global warming because it had warmed slightly from almost ice age conditions.

Scientists have been worried about greenhouse warming from human CO2 emissions since late in the 19th century.

I was getting skeptical to say the least, so I started questioning the narrative.

Oh god, YOU? Skeptical?!?!? WHAT WILL WE DO??? Tell us what's real John, tell us what's REAL?

Well, global warming morphed to climate change before long as temps didn't rise fast enough to keep up with the predicted disasters.

Global warming didn't morph to anything. Climate change was used to indicate a more varied phenomenon. Global warming is still described by the term "global warming".

Climate change is great & what they should have gone with from the beginning. Hot or cold, wet or dry, calm or storm, everything could be twisted to fit whatever they thought the public would buy.

You are right that climate change was a better term because it was a more inclusive description of what the increased heating from human GHG emissions was causing. Some areas suffered increased drought. Other areas suffered increased precipitation. Decreased differences between the temperature of the poles and the equator led to increased Rossby Waves that brough polar vortices into lower latitudes and took equatorial heat and moisture into higher latitudes. The Earth's climate is a complex system and the variety of effects that increased energy retention produced was far more complex than purely warmng.

Now atmospheric temperature measurements, or real science as I call it, once again shows there is no rise in temps, at least for the past 20+ years & what there was before that was minimal.

Bullshit. Let's see trustworthy data that show such a trend.

True scientists admit the Earth's atmosphere & the climate it produces is far too complex with still unknown variables for their minimal knowledge & data points to say anything but "we don't know".

But YOU, who are certainly NOT a scientist in ANY field, just told us that there has been no temperature increase for 20 years and little before that. If the real scientists can't figure out what's happening, how did you?

True science does not need paid hacks changing or omitting actual data to fit a preferred narrative.

No, it certainly doesn't.

This whole thing is about control & I truly feel bad for those who still don't realize this yet.

Control by whom? The scientists? How would they gain control. Do you think we're going to elect Michael Mann "Dictator of Earth". Or do you think Biden is directing the world's scientists (you know, the scientists in Russia and China and Kenya and Germany and Norway and Colombia and Indonesia and India and Turkey and Poland and Khazakstan and Chile and Canada and Japan and Australia and Italy and Iceland and Mexico... to all put out the same made up data and to make sure it's all coordinated and makes for perfect science and to be absolutely certain that not one single person of the tens of thousands of PhD scientists involved ever spills a single word about this massive and pointless conspiracy because EVERY - SINGLE - ONE - of all those different scientists from all those different countries is willing not only to lie through their teeth, but work their fingers to the bone and put their entire careers at severe risk to make certain their lies all hold together PERFECTLY and all to put SOMEBODY ELSE IN CHARGE OF FUCKING UP THE PLANET?

Is that REALLY what you believe?

Further scientific evidence that global warming starting to run out of steam over two decades ago has been presented by an international group of leading scientists. In a major re-evaluation of data from meteorology balloons rising through the troposphere, the scientists confirmed that temperatures have mostly paused since around 1998.

Here is a graphic from your (badly) linked document. You claim that the data show no warming in the last 20 years.
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The document claims that the HadCRUT 4 data is accurate but that the HadCRUT 5 data has been manipulated. Does the HadCRUT4 data show no warming for the last 20 years?

God are you stupid.
 

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Nowadays when it cost you $100 to fill up your vehicle you can blame the Environmental Wackos that believe in this silly ass AGW scam.

They managed to get their nutcase into the White house and it is destroying our economy, for nothing.
You thnk the defense of Ukraine against Putin's war is "nothing"?
 

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Here is a graphic from your (badly) linked document. You claim that the data show no warming in the last 20 years.
I understand the claim is made in regard to the troposphere, not Earth's surface.
 
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So you believe all the world's climate scientists accept AGW only because they were indoctrinated early in life (BtW, the two options you give are equivalent). So... who indoctrinated them? How did they get to them all early in life? Were they able to somehow identify everyone who was going to end up being a climate scientist when they were young enough to brainwash? Seeing any problems with your contention yet? You should be.



What you remember is some news and entertainment magazines blowing up statements from non-scientists or scientists opining out of their field. There was never any widespread concern among scientists that an ice age was imminent. If you think so, show us some peer reviewed studies coming to such conclusions.



But the total solar irradiance trend never put out enough energy to produce the observed warming. Minor problem there.



Scientists have been worried about greenhouse warming from human CO2 emissions since late in the 19th century.



Oh god, YOU? Skeptical?!?!? WHAT WILL WE DO??? Tell us what's real John, tell us what's REAL?



Global warming didn't morph to anything. Climate change was used to indicate a more varied phenomenon. Global warming is still described by the term "global warming".



You are right that climate change was a better term because it was a more inclusive description of what the increased heating from human GHG emissions was causing. Some areas suffered increased drought. Other areas suffered increased precipitation. Decreased differences between the temperature of the poles and the equator led to increased Rossby Waves that brough polar vortices into lower latitudes and took equatorial heat and moisture into higher latitudes. The Earth's climate is a complex system and the variety of effects that increased energy retention produced was far more complex than purely warmng.



Bullshit. Let's see trustworthy data that show such a trend.



But YOU, who are certainly NOT a scientist in ANY field, just told us that there has been no temperature increase for 20 years and little before that. If the real scientists can't figure out what's happening, how did you?



No, it certainly doesn't.



Control by whom? The scientists? How would they gain control. Do you think we're going to elect Michael Mann "Dictator of Earth". Or do you think Biden is directing the world's scientists (you know, the scientists in Russia and China and Kenya and Germany and Norway and Colombia and Indonesia and India and Turkey and Poland and Khazakstan and Chile and Canada and Japan and Australia and Italy and Iceland and Mexico... to all put out the same made up data and to make sure it's all coordinated and makes for perfect science and to be absolutely certain that not one single person of the tens of thousands of PhD scientists involved ever spills a single word about this massive and pointless conspiracy because EVERY - SINGLE - ONE - of all those different scientists from all those different countries is willing not only to lie through their teeth, but work their fingers to the bone and put their entire careers at severe risk to make certain their lies all hold together PERFECTLY and all to put SOMEBODY ELSE IN CHARGE OF FUCKING UP THE PLANET?

Is that REALLY what you believe?



Here is a graphic from your (badly) linked document. You claim that the data show no warming in the last 20 years.
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The document claims that the HadCRUT 4 data is accurate but that the HadCRUT 5 data has been manipulated. Does the HadCRUT4 data show no warming for the last 20 years?

God are you stupid.
I see the indoctrination is strong in you.
I'll bet they got you with the masks & clot shots too
They have taught you to fear the weather. Sad but more than a little funny.
Call me when the polar bears die off, all the glaciers have melted & our coasts are under water. :rolleyes:
 

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Apart from which...

Ten years ago, Thomas Peterson, William Connolley and John Fleck published a paper in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society which looked back at the climate science of the 1970s: "The Myth of the Global Cooling Scientific Consensus" (hereafter called PCF08). The goal of the paper was to look at the peer-reviewed literature of the time to see what scientists were saying about the future projections of climate. In the decades since the 1970s, some "skeptics" of global warming/climate change have made claims that "all the scientists" in the 1970s were predicting "global cooling" or an "imminent ice age". But, the PCF08 survey of papers from 1965 to 1979 showed that while there were some concerns about future "cooling", especially at the beginning of the time period, there were many more concerns about future warming caused by human emissions of carbon dioxide.

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I see the indoctrination is strong in you.
I'll bet they got you with the masks & clot shots too
They have taught you to fear the weather. Sad but more than a little funny.
Call me when the polar bears die off, all the glaciers have melted & our coasts are under water. :rolleyes:
al gore polar bears.jpg
 

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I see the indoctrination is strong in you.
I'll bet they got you with the masks & clot shots too
They have taught you to fear the weather. Sad but more than a little funny.
Call me when the polar bears die off, all the glaciers have melted & our coasts are under water. :rolleyes:
I'm calling you now for putting out complete bullshit. The world's climate scientists accept AGW. You claim they were indoctrinated early on. I want to know BY WHO you stupid fuck.
 

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I know that President Potatohead guaranteed the Environmental Wackos that he would end fossil fuels and he is making good on his promise.

Excellent. They need to be ended.
 

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Excellent. They need to be ended.


LOL Moon Bat. Destroy the American economy for nothing and then blame Putin. Typical Moon Bat stupidity and dishonesty.

The American people will vote with their wallets this year in the midterms and the Democrats dumbshits that are kissing the ass of the Environmental Wackos are going to be kicked out of Congress.

By the way Moon Bat, Since you are confused about things like this. If the Potatohead administration runs up the cost of gas and forces more idiots to buy these stupid EVs all that is doing is transfering the fossil fuel emissions to another location. Batteries need to be recharged doncha know? In addition to that a tremendous amount of ecological damage is done to mine the materials used to make the stupid EVs.
 

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1) There is an enormous economy of scale producing electricity in a multi-megawatt power plant versus burning gasoline in a 200 hp ICE.
2) More and more of that electricity is being produced by wind, solar and other non-emitting technologies
3) The ecological damage done to produce 20kg batteries that will last for years is absolutely trivial compared to the ecological damage of providing a similar vehicle 4 to 6,000 gallons of refined gasoline (made from 10-12,000 gallons of crude oil) all of which will be burned to provide the same service.
 

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I truly feel sorry for anybody who believes the "man-made climate change/global warming" BS. You were either indoctrinated so early in life that you had no true frame of reference or you've bought this BS from way back.
I remember when they called it the coming new ice age. Sounded alarming at first but that fizzled out quickly once the sun started doing it's thing & temps started rising again.
So they switched over to global warming because it had warmed slightly from almost ice age conditions. I was getting skeptical to say the least, so I started questioning the narrative.
Well, global warming morphed to climate change before long as temps didn't rise fast enough to keep up with the predicted disasters.
Climate change is great & what they should have gone with from the beginning. Hot or cold, wet or dry, calm or storm, everything could be twisted to fit whatever they thought the public would buy.
Now atmospheric temperature measurements, or real science as I call it, once again shows there is no rise in temps, at least for the past 20+ years & what there was before that was minimal.
True scientists admit the Earth's atmosphere & the climate it produces is far too complex with still unknown variables for their minimal knowledge & data points to say anything but "we don't know".
True science does not need paid hacks changing or omitting actual data to fit a preferred narrative.
This whole thing is about control & I truly feel bad for those who still don't realize this yet.
Further scientific evidence that global warming starting to run out of steam over two decades ago has been presented by an international group of leading scientists. In a major re-evaluation of data from meteorology balloons rising through the troposphere, the scientists confirmed that temperatures have mostly paused since around 1998.
Humlum notes that the changes in annual values are often quite substantial, ranging from about +0.15°C to −0.15°C. He goes on to note that the temperature difference between 1915 and 2000 increased from 0.45°C to 0.67°C. “This represents an increase of about 49% over this period, meaning that about half of the apparent global temperature increase from January 1910 to January 2000 is due to administrative adjustments to the original data made since May 2008,” he writes.
See, this is why the Decline Hiders had to introduce a massive unprovable dataset: the imaginary "warming" hiding in the deep oceans to make their numbers work. It's Bernie Madoff accounting
 
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I'm calling you now for putting out complete bullshit. The world's climate scientists accept AGW. You claim they were indoctrinated early on. I want to know BY WHO you stupid fuck.
Lets see:
MSM, politicians, Hollywood, Al Gore, schools, corrupted science & idiot parents. Good luck with your climate change fear porn proggy
:fu:
 

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