Is it common for warming and cooling trends to occur that aren't driven by CO2 or orbital forcing?

[ding]

Is it common for warming and cooling trends to occur that aren't driven by CO2 or orbital forcing?

According to ice core data from the Arctic, yes. There have been many instances where warming and cooling trends occurred in the last 10,000 years that were not driven by CO2 or orbital forcing.

δ18O from the GISP2 ice core for the past 10,000 years

The past is the key to the future: Temperature history of the past 10,000 years – Archiv Klimanachrichten

kaltesonne.de

So the next time somebody says temperatures are increasing because of CO2, tell them correlation is not proof of causation and that the geologic record is littered with warming and cooling trends that were not driven by CO2 or orbital forcing.

 

[Calypso Jones]

The Experts only have data from the late 1800s and they think they can determine what has happened over the last 10,000 years. LOLOL Just like they take a few pieces of bones and put together a whole bbc series on dinosaurs and how they lived.

I think it's good that they started collecting data...even if late. Still...look how often fancy named weathermen are wrong. oh yes...they're called....meteorologists.

 

[westwall]

Is it common for warming and cooling trends to occur that aren't driven by CO2 or orbital forcing?

According to ice core data from the Arctic, yes. There have been many instances where warming and cooling trends occurred in the last 10,000 years that were not driven by CO2 or orbital forcing.

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δ18O from the GISP2 ice core for the past 10,000 years

The past is the key to the future: Temperature history of the past 10,000 years – Archiv Klimanachrichten

kaltesonne.de

So the next time somebody says temperatures are increasing because of CO2, tell them correlation is not proof of causation and that the geologic record is littered with warming and cooling trends that were not driven by CO2 or orbital forcing.

I don't think ANY warming or cooling trends are driven by either. There simply is no evidence to support the notion.

"Forcings" as a whole, are a fraud. They are a creation to fill a void created by lack of evidence.

 

[ding]

I don't think ANY warming or cooling trends are driven by either. There simply is no evidence to support the notion.

"Forcings" as a whole, are a fraud. They are a creation to fill a void created by lack of evidence.

It's kind of hard to argue against orbital forcing triggering glacial cycles when the conditions of the planet are suitable for glaciation. Namely, polar regions isolated from warm marine currents and a temperature close to the threshold for extensive continental glaciation.

 

[Stryder50]

It's kind of hard to argue against orbital forcing triggering glacial cycles when the conditions of the planet are suitable for glaciation. Namely, polar regions isolated from warm marine currents and a temperature close to the threshold for extensive continental glaciation.

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate​

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia​

 

[ding]

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate​

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia​

Here's a great video on it. Totally worth watching.

 

[Stryder50]

 

[westwall]

It's kind of hard to argue against orbital forcing triggering glacial cycles when the conditions of the planet are suitable for glaciation. Namely, polar regions isolated from warm marine currents and a temperature close to the threshold for extensive continental glaciation.

I was specifically referring to CO2 induced "forcings"

 

[ding]

I was specifically referring to CO2 induced "forcings"

My bad. That I would agree with.

 

[westwall]

My bad. That I would agree with.

Tis okay, I wasn't super clear.

 

[ding]

Tis okay, I wasn't super clear.

It's all good.

 

[jwoodie]

What is "orbital forcing?"

 

[Crick]

What is "orbital forcing?"

Changes in the planet's orbital motion that increase or decrease the amount of solar radiation the planet receives.

 

[Calypso Jones]

 

[ding]

What is "orbital forcing?"

Here's a great video which explains it.

 

[Crick]

Here's a great video which explains it.

The information here certainly doesn't suggest that orbital forcing will counter anthropogenic global warming or that ANY orbital forcing could have caused the last century's warming.

 

[ding]

The information here certainly doesn't suggest that orbital forcing will counter anthropogenic global warming or that ANY orbital forcing could have caused the last century's warming.

Didn't say it did. I also don't believe in AGW so there's that.

 

[westwall]

The information here certainly doesn't suggest that orbital forcing will counter anthropogenic global warming or that ANY orbital forcing could have caused the last century's warming.

More importantly there is zero evidence to support the claim that AGW even exists.

 

[Crick]

More importantly there is zero evidence to support the claim that AGW even exists.

Chuckle chuckle chuckle

Here are a few articles that you will not read but that you will dismiss out-of-hand without providing an iota of evidence to refute any of their contentions.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/climate-change-humans-are-causing-global-warming?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9NHRhaX99wIVAhmtBh23EgdCEAAYAiAAEgIeDfD_BwE

Scientific Consensus - NASA Science

It’s important to remember that scientists always focus on the evidence, not on opinions. Scientific evidence continues to show that human activities (primarily the human burning of fossil fuels) have warmed Earth’s surface and its ocean basins, which in turn have continued to impact Earth’s...

climate.nasa.gov

9.7 Combining Evidence of Anthropogenic Climate Change - AR4 WGI Chapter 9: Understanding and Attributing Climate Change

archive.ipcc.ch

Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

<p>Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of...

skepticalscience.com

Analysis: Why scientists think 100% of global warming is due to humans - Carbon Brief

The science on the human contribution to modern warming is quite clear. Humans emissions and activities have caused around 100% of the warming observed.

www.carbonbrief.org

 

[ding]

Chuckle chuckle chuckle

Here are a few articles that you will not read but that you will dismiss out-of-hand without providing an iota of evidence to refute any of their contentions.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/climate-change-humans-are-causing-global-warming?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9NHRhaX99wIVAhmtBh23EgdCEAAYAiAAEgIeDfD_BwE

Scientific Consensus - NASA Science

It’s important to remember that scientists always focus on the evidence, not on opinions. Scientific evidence continues to show that human activities (primarily the human burning of fossil fuels) have warmed Earth’s surface and its ocean basins, which in turn have continued to impact Earth’s...

climate.nasa.gov

9.7 Combining Evidence of Anthropogenic Climate Change - AR4 WGI Chapter 9: Understanding and Attributing Climate Change

archive.ipcc.ch

Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

<p>Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of...

skepticalscience.com

Analysis: Why scientists think 100% of global warming is due to humans - Carbon Brief

The science on the human contribution to modern warming is quite clear. Humans emissions and activities have caused around 100% of the warming observed.

www.carbonbrief.org

Correlation doesn't prove causation. The geologic record is littered with examples of warming trends that were not cause by CO2 or orbital forcing.