Climate Frauds Under Review; 112° in the Saudi Desert? (the Horror) and The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish and ...

[Robert W]

It's not long and I didn't post it. The link is there if you want to know.

I sounded like I don't appreciate more knowledge. I do appreciate more knowledge and thank you.

 

[Crick]

The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:
Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.

You don't seem to understand what is required of Muslims making their pilgrimage to the Kaaba.

During Hajj, pilgrims join processions of millions of Muslim people, who simultaneously converge on Mecca for the week of the Hajj, and perform a series of pre-Islamic rituals (reformed by Muhammad): each person wears a single piece of unstitched white clothing (Ihram), walks counter-clockwise seven times around the Kaaba (a cube-shaped building and the direction of prayer for Muslims), kisses the black stone mounted on the corner wall of Kaaba, walks briskly back and forth between the hills of Safa and Marwah seven times, then drinks from the Zamzam Well, goes to the plains of Mount Arafat to stand in vigil, spends a night in the plain of Muzdalifa, and performs symbolic Stoning of the Devil by throwing stones at three pillars. After the sacrifice of cattle (which can be accomplished by using a voucher), the pilgrims then are required to either shave or trim their heads (if male) or trim the ends of their hair (if female). A celebration of the four-day global festival of Eid al-Adha proceeds afterwards.[12][13][14] Muslims may also undertake an Umrah (Arabic: عُمرَة), or "lesser pilgrimage" to Mecca at other times of the year. However, the Umrah is not a substitute for the Hajj and Muslims are still obligated to perform the Hajj at some other point in their lifetime if they have the means to do so.[15]​

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Hajj - Wikipedia

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[EMH]

The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:
Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.

Very simply put.

Amount of ice on Earth controls sea level.

A "net ongoing ice melt" would increase sea level. But there is no evidence, visually, anywhere on Earth, that is happening. So is there an "ongoing net ice melt" if sea level is not rising?

NO


There is data that can be fudged and data that cannot. You cannot fudge old photos of Statue of Liberty...

 

[Crick]

Very simply put.

Amount of ice on Earth controls sea level.

A "net ongoing ice melt" would increase sea level. But there is no evidence, visually, anywhere on Earth, that is happening. So is there an "ongoing net ice melt" if sea level is not rising?

NO


There is data that can be fudged and data that cannot. You cannot fudge old photos of Statue of Liberty...

You are the stupidest motherfucker I have ever known.

 

[EMH]

You are the stupidest motherfucker I have ever known.

Found a photo of "ocean rise" yet...

Jeopardy! music still playing

 

[Robert W]

You are the stupidest motherfucker I have ever known.

Top ranked Democrats talk that way.

 

[Crick]

Top ranked Democrats talk that way.

People dealing with EMH talk that way.

 

[surada]

Why was Israel short of oil supplies?

It wasn't oil they were short of, but weapons. Israel bought their oil from Iran.

 

[EMH]

The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:
Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.

What causes islands to sink when oceans are not rising?

The Pacific Ring of Fire. Islands approaching PROF are attached to the tectonic plate going under the other are going down with the plate.... Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands etc.


Earth climate data, not fudge, reads as follows...

NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
NO WARMING in the OCEANS
NO OCEAN RISE
NO BREAKOUT IN CANE ACTIVITY
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT


NOTHING= EARTH NOT WARMING, Co2 DOES NOTHING...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

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[surada]

For widespread shortages and/or prices increases, price controls or other artificial distortions are needed. Otherwise, the spikes will be short-lived in nature and followed by collapses. The 1970's gas shortages were the result of price controls, pure and simple. A bit of history is in order.

From the end of WW II price controls and rationing till around 1970 gasoline, on an inflation adjusted basis trended downward. There were periodic price wars, and frequent trading stamp and merchandise giveaways.

Starting around midway through 1972 (you read that right, not 1973 or 1974) the petroleum market became extremely tight. That summer there were actually a few spot shortages and major oil companies stopped subsidizing the ability of their retailers to match competitors' prices. Later in 1972 they reduced supplies to independent retailers. Since independents had little gasoline to sell, there was actually a small gasoline shortage that spring and summer. During this period, not surprisingly, crude oil prices began to rise.

In the U.S. retail prices didn't increase as much because of the continuation of Phase II wage and price controls after the January 11, 1973 end of those controls on the rest of the economy. All hell broke loose after the January 11, 1973 switch to Phase III controls, which continued controls on petroleum and natural gas, and lifted them on much of the rest of the economy. Around the end of April, if I recall correctly April 21, 1973 the oil companies ceased promotional advertising and the giveaways of stamps, glasses and bowls. The next month the companies began limiting their stations to year-earlier sales levels and in some cases to allocation fractions of around 90% of year earlier levels.

Gasoline shortages became widespread around the end of April 1973 when oil companies, uniquely unable to raise prices or pass along higher overseas prices began restricting dealers to, at first, 100% of year earlier sales, and then on a company by company basis cut to 85% or 90%. Note, this was before the oil embargo. Oil producers and refiners were operating at somewhat over rated capacity, giving a short period of temporary relief in late August and September. Exxon and maybe other companies suspended dealer allocations, allowing resumption of unlimited dealer sales. Prices softened a bit.

Then, the October 1973 Yom Kippur War served as a pretext for exporting countries to announce major production cuts and price increases. This culminated, by December, in an overall quadrupling of crude prices.Many people were impressed back in 1973 and 1974 when costumed ministers gathered gravely in Vienna and the price seemed to jump, and availability at any price seemed to change with their pronouncements. In most cases they were making a virtue out of necessity. At that time OPEC announced a rescinding of some of their cuts. This was dressed up in conciliatory language. In the real world it probably reflected cheating on obeying the cuts. Sound familiar?

In March 1974 the embargo was ended and further production increases were announced. The long lines at the gas pumps magically disappeared. Prices jumped sharply and then by August 1974 began settling back, in some cases to under $0.50 per gallon. Crude prices declined also but not "officially." This again was cheating. By mid-1978 the nominal $12 per barrel (about the same as 1974) was about $9.16 in 1974 dollars, using the deflator (link). The economy, which has been in deep recession in 1974-5 was by now rolling. Iran's revolution then did cause a real and deep overall production cut. Not surprisingly prices surged to around $40 per barrel over 1979-80.

Both the 1973-4 and 1979-80 runup were accompanied by a Rube Goldberg price control and allocation mechanism in the U.S. How do you know when prices are held down by controls? When you see prices ending in figures other than ".9". For example, at the Hess station in Scarsdale Mobil station I remember seeing gasoline at $0.475 in March 1974 (very low due to a glitch in controls which was fixed late that month) to $.568 a gallon and just over $0.60. Then when allocations were removed the price was reduced to $0.579. I stopped following its price when a nearby Merit dropped to $0.529 and Hess in Mamaroneck to $0.539.

When price controls were disbanded by Reagan within 10 days of his taking office, the prices began dropping. Crude went under $10 a barrel in 1986 and then again in 1998-9. Importantly neither were recession years. Even the recent $80 per barrel is equal to under $11 per barrel in 1972 dollars. So we are under the prices achieved in 1974 and well under 1979-80 levels, or about $21.

End of history lesson.

Your history is bogus. See Frank Jungers. My neighbor was president of Aramco.

 

[EMH]

Your history is bogus. See Frank Jungers. My neighbor was president of Aramco.

You are perhaps the biggest most treasonous liar on USMB, despite stiff competition from Toddster, Faun, and mamoo....

 

[expat_panama]

What causes islands to sink when oceans are not rising?

The Pacific Ring of Fire. Islands approaching PROF are attached to the tectonic plate going under the other are going down with the plate.... Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands etc.


Earth climate data, not fudge, reads as follows...

NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
NO WARMING in the OCEANS
NO OCEAN RISE
NO BREAKOUT IN CANE ACTIVITY
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT


NOTHING= EARTH NOT WARMING, Co2 DOES NOTHING...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

There is a problem tho w/ trying to "prove" a negative. It's possible to prove a positive "the earth is warming" by simply showing the measured temperatures over time. Proving no warming is more difficult because there's a lot of chaos in the reading and it's always possible to show SOME warming at SOME time.

That's ok because it is the person who makes the claim that must show the supporting observations. So far, the warmers are unable to say just what is warming, what it's temperatue is and what it was back when. End of discussion.

 

[EMH]

It's possible to prove a positive "the earth is warming" by simply showing the measured temperatures over time

The "measured temperatures" show NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2. The Co2 FRAUD had to FUDGE that data to show "warming" that does not exist.

Proving no warming

Earth has a built in thermometer, ocean levels. When oceans rise, there is a net ongoing ice melt, and Earth is warming. That is not happening. That is why they cannot show one single photo of anything "sinking" and why SURFACE AIR PRESSURE is trending DOWN...

 

[Crick]

Roe V Wade was law. Now it is not. That is how the law works.

Roe v Wade was not law. It was a Supreme Court case which determined that abortion before the first trimester was protected by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. What was overturned was the Court's interpretation of the 14th Amendment wrt abortion. The majority opinion in Jackson Women's Health v Dobbs written by Justice Alito states that the only legitimate unenumerated rights — that is, rights not explicitly stated in the Constitution — are those “deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.” Abortion, the majority held, is not such a right. Even those vehemently opposed to a right to abortion can see the lack of clarity in that conclusion. But in any case, Dobbs did not make abortions illegal anywhere. It said they weren't Constitutionally protected. In 10 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, and New Mexico, state's high courts found that the right to an abortion was protected by their state constitutions.

 

[Robert W]

Roe v Wade was not law. It was a Supreme Court case which determined that abortion before the first trimester was protected by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. What was overturned was the Court's interpretation of the 14th Amendment wrt abortion. The majority opinion in Jackson Women's Health v Dobbs written by Justice Alito states that the only legitimate unenumerated rights — that is, rights not explicitly stated in the Constitution — are those “deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.” Abortion, the majority held, is not such a right. Even those vehemently opposed to a right to abortion can see the lack of clarity in that conclusion. But in any case, Dobbs did not make abortions illegal anywhere. It said they weren't Constitutionally protected. In 10 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, and New Mexico, state's high courts found that the right to an abortion was protected by their state constitutions.

I have your opinion too as it was not law. However that is, it ruled over States allowing or prohibiting abortions as a legal matter. A law is written in Congress and Roe v Wade was never made a law by Congress. I myself said hundreds times on various forums what you say.

I would compare this to a ruling by the Court that any abortion is approved. At any point the female wants it done. This would amount to infanticide as I think Abortion is.

 

[Robert W]

It wasn't oil they were short of, but weapons. Israel bought their oil from Iran.

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Many countries supply oil to Israel, including:

• Gabon: A primary supplier of crude oil to Israel
  
  
  
• Nigeria: A supplier of crude oil to Israel
  
  
  
• Congo-Brazzaville: A supplier of crude oil to Israel
  
  
  
• Brazil: A supplier of crude oil to Israel, and a fast-growing import market
  
  
  
• Azerbaijan: A supplier of crude oil to Israel, and a fast-growing import market
  
  
  
• Kazakhstan: A supplier of crude oil to Israel, and a fast-growing import market
  
  
  
• Turkey: A supplier of oil to Israel via a pipeline
  
  
  
• India: A supplier of fuel to Israel
  
  
  
• US: A supplier of fuel to Israel, and a key ally
  
  

Israel imports around 300,000 barrels of crude oil per day, and processes it at its refineries in Haifa and Ashdod. Israel has almost no domestic crude or condensate production.

 

[Crick]

I have your opinion too as it was not law. However that is, it ruled over States allowing or prohibiting abortions as a legal matter. A law is written in Congress and Roe v Wade was never made a law by Congress. I myself said hundreds times on various forums what you say.

The US Constitution rules the US Government, specifying what it can and cannot do. The Constitution is above the law. The Constitution gives the judiciary the authority to interpret the Constitution and decide whether or not any specific action of the government's, including the passage and enforcement of laws, is constitutional. Congress never acted to make Roe v Wade a law because it would have made no sense. The laws that the federal government creates are controlled by the Constitution. Laws that states create are controlled first by their own state Constitutions and then by the US Constitution via the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2). It became our understanding of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution and thus trumped all laws that could be passed anywhere in this nation.

I would compare this to a ruling by the Court that any abortion is approved. At any point the female wants it done. This would amount to infanticide as I think Abortion is.

Just as the private possession of firearms are allowed but are allowed to be regulated by the Second Amendment, abortions were allowed but allowed to be regulated. The text of Roe v Wade states that abortions could not be regulated in the first trimester, could only be regulated in the second trimester for the health of the mother but that in the third trimester, the state could act in response to its interest in the life of the fetus unless the mother's life or health is threatened.

 

[Robert W]

The US Constitution rules the US Government, specifying what it can and cannot do. The Constitution is above the law. The Constitution gives the judiciary the authority to interpret the Constitution and decide whether or not any specific action of the government's, including the passage and enforcement of laws, is constitutional. Congress never acted to make Roe v Wade a law because it would have made no sense. The laws that the federal government creates are controlled by the Constitution. Laws that states create are controlled first by their own state Constitutions and then by the US Constitution via the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2). It became our understanding of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution and thus trumped all laws that could be passed anywhere in this nation.

Just as the private possession of firearms are allowed but are allowed to be regulated by the Second Amendment, abortions were allowed but allowed to be regulated. The text of Roe v Wade states that abortions could not be regulated in the first trimester, could only be regulated in the second trimester for the health of the mother but that in the third trimester, the state could act in response to its interest in the life of the fetus unless the mother's life or health is threatened.

OK, this is not about climate frauds.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[Robert W]

Jessica savitch was in a hurry to die before 1990 and drowned in her car accident in 1983. She had problems using drugs.