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Atmospheric science again shows climate hysteria unfounded. We're supposed to wreck the world over this?

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1) There is an enormous economy of scale producing electricity in a multi-megawatt power plant versus burning gasoline in a 200 hp ICE.
2) More and more of that electricity is being produced by wind, solar and other non-emitting technologies
3) The ecological damage done to produce 20kg batteries that will last for years is absolutely trivial compared to the ecological damage of providing a similar vehicle 4 to 6,000 gallons of refined gasoline (made from 10-12,000 gallons of crude oil) all of which will be burned to provide the same service.
You are so damn confused about this it is almost embarrassing to have to educate you.

Wind and solar are shitty (inefficient) technologies that don't produce the level of energy we need to supply the energy needs of a modern industrial first world country like the US or even a second world or third world. Not by a long a shot.

We need concentrated energy like is found in fossil fuels or nuclear material. By the way, fossil fuel is stored and concentrated solar energy.
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It is true that the stupid energy companies are creating more solar but it is not because it is good technology. It is for political and false economic reasons.

I have a good friend who is an executive with Duke Energy. One of the largest power companies in the US . They are putting in many solar fields. I asked him why Duke is doing a dumb thing like that because he (as an Engineer the same as me) knows as good as I do that it is shitty technology. He says it for three reasons:

1. Duke gets a lot of favorable financing from European banks. The stupid EU regs require that banks invest in idiotic "Green" technology so there is pressure to do the moronic solar production.

2. There are filthy ass government subsidies and tax breaks for putting in this worthless solar and wind crap. In other words somebody else is paying for a stupid technology that is not economical feasible by itself.

3. The Utility companies can pass the cost on the consumers, regardless if it work or not.

The energy companies will put in the stupid solar fields but it will never produce anywhere near the amount of energy we need to drive our economy. That will fuck us all.
 

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Lets see:
MSM, politicians, Hollywood, Al Gore, schools, corrupted science & idiot parents. Good luck with your climate change fear porn proggy
:fu:
A list of your boogeymen, eh? You are seriously pathetic. How did all these folks get the idea of AGW? And why? Why would mainstream media, corrupt scientists and idiot parents all come together to work on this?
You are so damn confused about this it is almost embarrassing to have to educate you.

Wind and solar are shitty (inefficient) technologies that don't produce the level of energy we need to supply the energy needs of a modern industrial first world country like the US or even a second world or third world. Not by a long a shot.

We need concentrated energy like is found in fossil fuels or nuclear material. By the way, fossil fuel is stored and concentrated solar energy.
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It is true that the stupid energy companies are creating more solar but it is not because it is good technology. It is for political and false economic reasons.

I have a good friend who is an executive with Duke Energy. One of the largest power companies in the US . They are putting in many solar fields. I asked him why Duke is doing a dumb thing like that because he (as an Engineer the same as me) knows as good as I do that it is shitty technology. He says it for three reasons:

1. Duke gets a lot of favorable financing from European banks. The stupid EU regs require that banks invest in idiotic "Green" technology so there is pressure to do the moronic solar production.

2. There are filthy ass government subsidies and tax breaks for putting in this worthless solar and wind crap. In other words somebody else is paying for a stupid technology that is not economical feasible by itself.

3. The Utility companies can pass the cost on the consumers, regardless if it work or not.

The energy companies will put in the stupid solar fields but it will never produce anywhere near the amount of energy we need to drive our economy. That will fuck us all.
At current efficiency levels, solar panel fields with the area of Lake Michigan could power the entire United States. There is sufficient wind energy in the 48 contiguous states to provide several times the current US energy consumption.

You blithely skip over a few critical points: solar and wind require no fuel. The cost savings there are astronomical. Energy companies are putting in solar and wind facilities because they are profit-making institutions and are minding their bottom lines. And, of course, neither produces any greenhouse gas emissions. If you're really offended by government subsidies, you must be really wound up at the $10 billion taxpayer dollars that go to the oil industry every year.

The frequent suggestion that nations moving to renewable energy technology will find themselves without sufficient power to operate are simplistic scare mongering nonsense. Do you think companies like Duke Energy or any others don't know precisely how much capacity they need or that the government will force citizens - their voters - to suffer blackouts? They will simply build more wind turbines and more solar farms. If you believe they would be willing to make such decisions, please explain why they didn't ban fossil fuel outright years ago.
 

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A list of your boogeymen, eh? You are seriously pathetic. How did all these folks get the idea of AGW? And why? Why would mainstream media, corrupt scientists and idiot parents all come together to work on this?
Intellectual dishonesty? In competence? Self interest? Greed? Guilt? Moral righteousness?

The same things that drive all things that are believed but wrong.
 
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A list of your boogeymen, eh? You are seriously pathetic. How did all these folks get the idea of AGW? And why? Why would mainstream media, corrupt scientists and idiot parents all come together to work on this?

At current efficiency levels, solar panel fields with the area of Lake Michigan could power the entire United States. There is sufficient wind energy in the 48 contiguous states to provide several times the current US energy consumption.

You blithely skip over a few critical points: solar and wind require no fuel. The cost savings there are astronomical. Energy companies are putting in solar and wind facilities because they are profit-making institutions and are minding their bottom lines. And, of course, neither produces any greenhouse gas emissions. If you're really offended by government subsidies, you must be really wound up at the $10 billion taxpayer dollars that go to the oil industry every year.

The frequent suggestion that nations moving to renewable energy technology will find themselves without sufficient power to operate are simplistic scare mongering nonsense. Do you think companies like Duke Energy or any others don't know precisely how much capacity they need or that the government will force citizens - their voters - to suffer blackouts? They will simply build more wind turbines and more solar farms. If you believe they would be willing to make such decisions, please explain why they didn't ban fossil fuel outright years ago.
Blah, blah, blah... $10 bill in TAX BREAKS, not direct subsidies. Nice try.
Keep believing your authority figures, IDC.
It won't have any affect on the fact greenie pipe dreams are just proggy delusions.
They will attempt this & the masses will finally wake up to the scam.
You might not but most aren't as brainwashed as you.
We have plenty of fossil fuels here at home to last for many decades if not hundreds of years
Climate change is fake science for govt money, control & keeping ignorant sheeple scared of weather
 

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Blah, blah, blah... $10 bill in TAX BREAKS, not direct subsidies. Nice try.
Keep believing your authority figures, IDC.
It won't have any affect on the fact greenie pipe dreams are just proggy delusions.
They will attempt this & the masses will finally wake up to the scam.
You might not but most aren't as brainwashed as you.
We have plenty of fossil fuels here at home to last for many decades if not hundreds of years
Climate change is fake science for govt money, control & keeping ignorant sheeple scared of weather
Blah, blah, blah, blah. You're a fucking idiot. You've presented ZERO EVIDENCE to support ANYTHING you've said. No one has ANY reason to believe you. This is just a 100% bullshit rant from someone who doesn't have a single, solitary, fucking CLUE.
 
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Blah, blah, blah, blah. You're a fucking idiot. You've presented ZERO EVIDENCE to support ANYTHING you've said. No one has ANY reason to believe you. This is just a 100% bullshit rant from someone who doesn't have a single, solitary, fucking CLUE.
Blah, blah. I'm afraid of weather. I saw a cloud & peed a little. My climate safespace has a circle jerk & a bongo.
Here are some CLUEs for you
But lithium is not the only raw material that causes damage. Securing just one ton of rare earth elements produces 2,000 tons of toxic waste, and has devastated large regions of China, said Günther Hilpert, Head of the Asia Research Division of the German think tank SWP.
Joe Biden’s plan to convert 50% of the U.S. vehicle fleet from internal combustion engines to electricity by 2050 to fight climate change ignores a serious danger in doing so. Recent events around the world reveal that fire catastrophes from electric vehicles (EVs) are not only possible, but increasingly likely. The fire risk of the lithium-ion batteries that these EVs rely on for power is well documented, as they have been known to spontaneously combust in the most inopportune times and places.
 

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Blah, blah. I'm afraid of weather. I saw a cloud & peed a little. My climate safespace has a circle jerk & a bongo.
Here are some CLUEs for you
But lithium is not the only raw material that causes damage. Securing just one ton of rare earth elements produces 2,000 tons of toxic waste, and has devastated large regions of China, said Günther Hilpert, Head of the Asia Research Division of the German think tank SWP.
Joe Biden’s plan to convert 50% of the U.S. vehicle fleet from internal combustion engines to electricity by 2050 to fight climate change ignores a serious danger in doing so. Recent events around the world reveal that fire catastrophes from electric vehicles (EVs) are not only possible, but increasingly likely. The fire risk of the lithium-ion batteries that these EVs rely on for power is well documented, as they have been known to spontaneously combust in the most inopportune times and places.
CLIMATE CRISIS II 2022.gif
 

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Blah, blah. I'm afraid of weather. I saw a cloud & peed a little. My climate safespace has a circle jerk & a bongo.
Here are some CLUEs for you
But lithium is not the only raw material that causes damage. Securing just one ton of rare earth elements produces 2,000 tons of toxic waste, and has devastated large regions of China, said Günther Hilpert, Head of the Asia Research Division of the German think tank SWP.
Joe Biden’s plan to convert 50% of the U.S. vehicle fleet from internal combustion engines to electricity by 2050 to fight climate change ignores a serious danger in doing so. Recent events around the world reveal that fire catastrophes from electric vehicles (EVs) are not only possible, but increasingly likely. The fire risk of the lithium-ion batteries that these EVs rely on for power is well documented, as they have been known to spontaneously combust in the most inopportune times and places.
It's nice to see you pull up some evidence of something. Unfortunately, you're in the wrong fucking thread. The topic here is global warming, not EV fires.
 

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I already put in my service. You?
Thank you for your service.

20 years, USAF. I enlisted during the runup to GWI. Our TI would update us on the ground war every evening.
 

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I'm calling you now for putting out complete bullshit. The world's climate scientists accept AGW. You claim they were indoctrinated early on. I want to know BY WHO you stupid fuck.
Follow the money.
 

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It's nice to see you pull up some evidence of something. Unfortunately, you're in the wrong fucking thread. The topic here is global warming, not EV fires.
Remember, kids: A burning electric vehicle emits zero pollution.
 

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I see the indoctrination is strong in you.
I'll bet they got you with the masks & clot shots too
They have taught you to fear the weather. Sad but more than a little funny.
Call me when the polar bears die off, all the glaciers have melted & our coasts are under water. :rolleyes:
Sure don't see all those rich elites selling off that doomed shoreline either.
What the hell is Earth's ideal climate anyways?
Apparently they think it is at perfection and no deviation can be allowed regardless of expense because short sighted humans stupidly built entire cities in traditionally flood prone regions.
 

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Climate "science" is not science. It's a religion.

And its adherents get really mad when you don't join their cult.
It is also a way to redistribute wealth.
 

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It is also a way to redistribute wealth.
And that is, of course, the whole point.

IPCC Official: “Climate Policy Is Redistributing The World’s Wealth”

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

-- German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer

Only idiots believe "climate change" is about the environment.
 

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This why our economy is being destroyed. We have an idiot as President.


Out of touch as ever, President Biden celebrated record-high gas prices Monday, gushing that the pump pain was part of "an incredible transition" of the US economy away from fossil fuels.
"[When] it comes to the gas prices, we're going through an incredible transition that is taking place that, God willing, when it's over, we'll be stronger and the world will be stronger and less reliant on fossil fuels when this is over," Biden said during a press conference in Japan following his meeting with Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.



Biden praises high gas prices as part of ‘incredible transition’
 

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This why our economy is being destroyed. We have an idiot as President.


Out of touch as ever, President Biden celebrated record-high gas prices Monday, gushing that the pump pain was part of "an incredible transition" of the US economy away from fossil fuels.
"[When] it comes to the gas prices, we're going through an incredible transition that is taking place that, God willing, when it's over, we'll be stronger and the world will be stronger and less reliant on fossil fuels when this is over," Biden said during a press conference in Japan following his meeting with Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.



Biden praises high gas prices as part of ‘incredible transition’
"Fuck you, and fuck America."

-- President Joe Biden
 

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